Neitzche

[anti machine]

I have recently delved into the dark world of Neitzche, and I feel as if I have been in some way enlightened. Nothing can be proven, reality does not exist, God is dead, morality is the enemy of the world, man is driven by will to power, truth is fictitious. (Anyone who has read him will understand what i am talking about.) I find his reflections on equality fascinating, although i dont tend to agree. I dont necessarily believe that a person with accomplished ambition is more superior to someone who is content in his social class. BUt everything else that he says rings true to me. Anyone else who has been inspired by this great philosopher?

[Maaja]

I was really impressed by Nietzsche some years ago. I can't say that I've read very much of his works, just some but I think that he impressed me because at this time I was quite interested about Buddhism and he also wrote about it and as far as I understood, considered himself a Buddhist too, at least was very interested about it.

Nietzsches writing style is is very fine and even if I don't agree with everything that's written, I can get the emotional and ethical satisfaction only by reading it. I also like as in one of his works (Homo Ecco) he gave the advices about that what the perfect person whould eat, where he should live and what he should do. He was the example of course!

I don't agree with many things he believed in but I still do like his ideas.

[El Che]

Remarkable mind no doubt. I agree with most of his conclusions (the ones I can follow), however I find some that some of the issues he looks into are just a waste of time and (IMO) reveal a perhaps troubled mind. This because he is obsessed with things like morals, imaginary "qualities" of men or the value of true... wtf?
He does say alot of good stuff though, mostly when speaking of others.

[guerrillaradio]

Some of Nietzsche's conclusions are astonishingly accurate, such as his take on Christianity and religion in general. However, the guy went a bit crazy in his latter years, and thus unconsciously spawned fascism.

[Anonymous]

dark world of Niertzsche? whats dark about it? he is the greatest philosopher ever! he not only invented the supermen (not that crapy Marvel supermen!) but the real supermen! pity his best book isnt translated into portuguese! he isnt only great he is only the best ever!

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from the anarchist on 2:06 pm on Sep. 8, 2002
he not only invented the supermen (not that crapy Marvel supermen!) but the real supermen!

How can a communist believe in the ubermensch??

[Marxman]

Nietzsche was kind of nuts about his theory of UBER MAN. He was like the first fascist. He said that humans are primitive and there should be a superman that will lead us. Not very marxistically spoken, I'd say.

[Anonymous]

LOL fascist he? then you must read his bes t book (thirst for power) he assumed taht there will be a evulution onmankind, like there was one with the monkeys taht evolved into humans, same thing will hapen to humans

[Marxman]

What he said about the superman guiding us is typically racist as he said we need a god, we are primitive. He definitely wasn't a communist.

THUS SPOKE ZARATUSTRA :)

[Anonymous]

he shall guide us for he shall be the true Revolutionary!

Thus spoke zaratustra!


Anti-machine: its Nietzsche not Neitzche!!!!! what a jerk!hahaha

[guerrillaradio]

Anarchist, I'd appreciate it if you answered my question??

[Anonymous]

Nietzsche believed that men would evolv into something biger, like the monkeys evolved to men, so he believed in the theory of evolution.

I believe in this because evolution is everywere, you you notice all animals evolve, like the dinossaurs they evolved from this to that etc... and with men it wount be diferent, we alredy evolved form monkey to homus erectus.....and so on, and its a bbit stupid believing that evolution shall stop now, because it wont, men shall evolve in to somthing diferent and it shall prossigue with something else and soo on... nothing is eternal, and we arent a excepcion!

[John Difool]

Nietzsche (poor guy, he systematically gets his name butchered :D) is a fascinating read, a true free spirit, regardless of the validity of his ideas ...
The fact he has been recuperated as an icon and founder of Fascism is, imho, utter bs ...

[El Chancho]

I'm reading "The Basic Writings of Nietzche", which has I think about 6 or 7 books into it. My favourite part so far is the 75 aphorisms he had.

HOW TO HAVE ALL MEN AGAINST YOU.If anyone dared to say now, "Whoever is not for me, is against me," he would immediately have all men against him.-this does our time honour.

[suffianr]

Sorry folks, but I used to fall asleep trying to get through Neitzche... :)

[deadpool 52]

I grew up on Nietzsche.

His insanity was based on the fact that he had syphillis.

[anti machine]

Yeah anarchist, look at me, the big jerk, I missed the 's' in Nietzsche's name...Anyway...

Nietzsche observed man as proposing ficticious supernatural dieties to explain the unexplainable and becoming addicted to the idea of a supreme, loving being. Nietzsche realizes this flaw as unnavoidable and offers the replacement of this ideal with a "superior race of men", patterned after Nietzsche himself, who would transcend humanity and represent god, giving the people something to transfer thier religious fervor towards as well as reward to those who he feels are superior to the rest of the peoples in thier "will to power", a concept Nietzsche believed was the basis of humanity. He likewise highly critisizes equality and communism, claiming that humans are NOT equal in any respect. It's hard to be a marxist and hold true to Nietzsche's nihilism.

Anarchist: Wow, correct me if I'm wrong, but Nietzsche's view of the world, especially his proposal of SUPERMAN, goes against every anarchist doctrine. I question whether you actually know what you believe, let alone what you are talking about. When you 'bash' me, it is for something simple such as a misspelling, which ironically run rampant in your posts. Try analyzing what I SAY before you call me a jerk, unless you lack the mental capacity to make a decent argument.

[mentalbunny]

Someone gave me Ecce Homo for my birthday, I read a bit of the intro but gave up and have just got started on the real thing, he's a bit wierd, but I suppose this was just beofre he totally lost it. I'll get back to you when i've read more.

[mentalbunny]

I've read Nietzsche's forward to ecce homo now, oh my god! he's so weird! my german teacher says i should do a piece of GCSE coursework on him! i don't think i could find the words in english, let alone german, although that's his mother tongue i suppose. (soz, crap typing i'm lazy and tired and my fingers are cold.)

[deadpool 52]

Nietzsche loathed the Germans.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.autodidactproject.org/quote/lukacs1.html
GEORG LUKACS ON IRRATIONALISM & NAZISM:
THE UNITY OF CYNICISM & CREDULITY

''Just as Hitler came to political and military grief not through individual--and hence avoidable--errors of judgement, so irrationalism as a world-outlook received a corresponding practical form in Hitlerism, and it perished in a similarly appropriate form. In revealing the nihilistic cynicism of Hitler and his henchmen and in showing that they did not themselves believe in the doctrine they demagogically proclaimed-- thereby translating it into practice--, our studies do not refute these facts of the matter; on the contrary they confirm them. For it is just here that we find the perfect expression of that dialectical unity of cynical nihilism and speculative, uncritical credulity and frivolous superstition which every irrationalism contains implicitly and which simply acquired a matching figure in Hitler. We underestimate the historical significance of the German destiny (embracing that of the destiny of irrational philosophy) if, in assessing Hitler, we put the accent solely on his low intellectual and moral standards. In itself, to be sure, such an assessment is correct. But it was again historical necessity which caused the lowering of standards. It is a steep descent from Schelling and Schopenhauer-- via Nietzsche, Dilthey, Spengler, etc.--to Hitler and Rosenberg. But in its very steepness, it sufficiently expresses the character of irrationalism and the necessity of its development. ''



(Edited by peaccenicked at 4:13 am on Sep. 28, 2002)

[anti machine]

Blaming Nietzsche for the Nazis is like blaming The Beatles for the Manson murders.

[peaccenicked]

Lukacs is not blaming Nietzsche for Hitler. He is pointing to an overall worsening of German philosophical life which in its content was irrationalism. Hilter took this trend to its lowest conclusion. If anything Nietzsche is responsible in part for the departure from the enlightenment that Germany took.
Personally I think Nietzche would have despised Hitlerism. In the same way that Marx would have despised Stalin. Historical causation is not always conscious. No-one can be held responsible for a non linear line of events.

[anti machine]

Peace-I agree. Actually, My teacher brought up Marx one day in class and the students reaction was preposterous. They blew up, claiming that Marx was responsible for genocide and the downfall of the world, yet here they are supporting American diplomacy. Ugghhhh! I couldn't believe it. I did my best to rebutt their outragous generalizations, but it is difficult to argue with the ignorant as many of you know. It was a sad day.

[mentalbunny]

As i said, I know very little about Nietzsche, but my german teacher who also runs Philosophy AS level outside time table informs me that he influenced much of the last centuary's french philospohy, I don't know who he is talking about , I assume Satre and co.

ps
I liked the comparison of Nietzsche and The Beatles!

[deadpool 52]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 9:40 am on Sep. 28, 2002
Lukacs is not blaming Nietzsche for Hitler. He is pointing to an overall worsening of German philosophical life which in its content was irrationalism.

As if we needed our reasoning.

Christ, man. Some of you people better pick up a book on Zen.