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chimx
26th March 2007, 21:00
In the late 60s, the Soviet Union began building up troops along the sino-soviet border. By this time, relations between China and Russia had already began to turn sour. In 1967, students stagged a demonstration in Moscow at Lenin's tomb denouncing Soviet revisionism. The Soviets responded by attacked the Chinese Embassy in Moscow. China, in turn, attacked the Moscow embassy. This alone nearly resulted in cut of trade relations with both countries.

Earlier, border talks had already come to a deadlock. The Soviet Union was insisting on using the borders defined during the period of Czarist imperialism. China denounced these treaties as being nothing short of imperialist "unequal treaties" meant to exploit a weak China. Talks turned to islands found on the Amur and Ussuri rivers. The Soviets went so far as to go beyond the claims made by the imperialist czars and claim ownership of all the islands. Chinese officials responded that this soviet claim represented "new territorial claims in violation of the treaty stipulation" that "even the old czars dared not advance."

Czarist Russia had annexed roughly 1.5 million kilometers of Chinese territory through unequal treaties. China began viewing the USSR as "social imperialists" due to their insistence on upholding these treaties, as well as their actions in Czechoslovakia.

The result was that the USSR escalated troop presence on the border, moving in 1967 about 100,000 troops into Mongolia. In 1967, Mao was quoted as saying "sSoviet ground forces are on the move. . . . Chinese troops in the north must be on guard and in a state of preparedness." China literally felt that a war with the USSR was twice as likely as a war with the US. This fact is justified considering the Chinese claim that from 1964-1967, the USSR provoked 4,189 border incidents.

My question for all you Sino-Soviet historians out there, is why did this troop escalation and conflict come during the late 1960s? China and the USSR had been disputing borders ever since the 1950s when the PRC came to power.

Some people look to the fact that at the time, China was facing domestic turmoil due to the civil war caused by the Cultural Revolution. In fact, at the onset of the Cultural Revolution, the Soviet Central Committee wrote that "recent events in China [the cultural revolution]" shows that "the great power, anti-Soviet policy of Mao Tse-tung and his group has entered a dangerous new phase." The CC would claim that "the plenary session considers in necessary to unmask resolutely the anti-Leninist views and great-power nationalistic policy of the present Chinese leaders and to intensify the struggle to defend Marxism."

China was all too well aware of this "unmasking". In 1968, the People's Daily wrote, "For a long time, U.S.-led imperialism, modern revisionism with Soviet revisionism as its centre and the reactionaries of all countries have ceaselessly carried out subversive plots and sabotage activities against our country. . . . Particularly since the launching of China's great proletarian Cultural Revolution, the class enemies at home and abroad have feverishly intensified their espionage and sabotage activities. This is because they . . . imagine this great Cultural Revolution to be an opportunity for them to fish in troubled waters."

The actual border dispute notwithstanding, does this argument hold water? Did border disputes intensify between the USSR and the PRC because of the internal instability of China during the Cultural revolution? Did the USSR try to exploit the cultural revolution so as to weaken the Maoist faction prior to the consolidation of power after the Cultural Revolution, or was this simply what was being perceived as happening within China?

Still, other historians propose a different explanation. Along with the cultural revolution, Communists in the PRC, particularly Mao and Zhou, had been preferring to ease tensions with the United States. Now, Lin Biao was openly opposed to such talks, feeling that it was right to ultimately side with the USSR over the US. Some propose that China engineered the border conflicts to discredit Lin Biao, thus setting the stage for the Nixon visit years later. Its an interesting idea, but does this stance have any evidence to back up the conjecture?

Lastly, why was the USSR so adamant about maintaining imperialist treaties? How can a defender of the USSR justify this policy?

RedStarOverChina
26th March 2007, 21:59
By the late 1960s, it was pretty much all about doing everything you can to piss each other off.

The dispute originated first when Khrushchev came to power and totally renounced Stalin. Mao felt this was political suicide for the communist alliance and criticized it. But relations between the USSR and PRC were still friendly. Then in early 1960s, India raised the question of border dispute with China. The Chinese communists felt that its position in the Sino-Indian border dispute was perfectly legitimate, so imagine their surprise when USSR under Khrushchev declared neutrality on the matter. China felt that a socialist country is supposed to support another against capitalist countries, whereas the Soviets did not want to pressure India because that way India will strength relations with the US. Khrushchev tried to mediate between China and India but that only made it worse. Not only China and India had a regional war, the relations between the USSR and China fell to its lowest point ever, because the Chinese Communist Party felt that Khrushchev was pressuring China into surrendering to India.

I think after the Sino-Indian border war, the Soviet stood by India's side and it was over between China and the Soviet Union. :(

That's what happens when both parties believe they have the truth on their side.

RedStarOverChina
26th March 2007, 22:03
Lastly, why was the USSR so adamant about maintaining imperialist treaties? How can a defender of the USSR justify this policy?
I think that was just to piss off China. Before Sino-Soviet relations hit rock bottom, there was hardly any border dispute.

chimx
26th March 2007, 22:20
I think that was just to piss off China. Before Sino-Soviet relations hit rock bottom, there was hardly any border dispute.

There was hardly any public dispute about it, but border issues had been raised since the 1950s. Things just never escalated.


China felt that a socialist country is supposed to support another against capitalist countries

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that this is the Lin Biao stance that I had mentioned. He wanted to see international socialist unity to some degree, but Mao and Zhou were more nationalistic. They wanted what was in China's best interest. That meant wanting to side with the United States over the USSR.

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As far as your answers go, I agree that there was ideological hostilities between "revisionist" and "anti-revisionist" forces from the beginning. But was Soviet activity really just to poke or prode an unstable China--to piss them off, as you say, for the sake of pissing them off--or was there broader political motivations? Specifically, to exploit the political instability to see a "revisionist" faction obtain power within China.

How legitimate is the argument that China was the cause of the border crisis escalation?

Janus
27th March 2007, 00:42
Lastly, why was the USSR so adamant about maintaining imperialist treaties?
Well, when the Bolsheviks came to power in 1917, I believe Lenin actually renounced the old Czarist treaties yet the USSR never actually gave back these territories for strategic reasons,etc.

As for why the border clashes didn't take place until the late 60's: the Chinese only began to really challenge Soviet occupation of these disputed territories in the early 1960's after Stalin's death. Furthermore, both nations didn't begin in earnest until 1964 when China gained nuclear capabilities. So, logically, it would take a few more years for the situation to deteriorate to the point of open conflict as China and the USSR increased their ideological (the anti-Soviet line was strongly propagandized during the Cultural Revolution which caused numerous Chinese to travel to the Amur border area and taunt the Russians) and strategic opposition to one another.

chimx
27th March 2007, 01:13
I was hoping you would comment Janus. :)

In your opinion, is it mere happenstance that the conflict coincided with the end of the cultural revolution (and as a precursor to the Kissinger visit), with the two (three) events being unrelated? Certainly the conflict was a processive development of preexisting hostilities, but were there *any* possible political motivations on the part of Mao or Brezhnev? Or would you rather not regress to such conjecture?

Janus
27th March 2007, 02:16
is it mere happenstance that the conflict coincided with the end of the cultural revolution (and as a precursor to the Kissinger visit), with the two (three) events being unrelated?
Well, the Cultural Revolution probably delayed the final clashes since much of the PRC's focus was on domestic affairs during the period.

And as far as the Kissinger event goes, the border clashes as well as the purported rumors of a planned Soviet strike were definitely reasons why the PRC began moving closer to the US and became convinced that the USSR was the greater enemy due to its proximity and threat.


but were there *any* possible political motivations on the part of Mao or Brezhnev?
I think both nations were simply responding/reacting to what they saw as external threats and didn't have much control over the actual clashes themselves rather the escalation of the conflict was kept up for prestige and strategic reasons rather than for any political or economic gain.

chimx
27th March 2007, 03:23
Thanks for the replies. Are you at all familiar with the work of Melvin Gurtov, Byong-Moo Hwang, or Roger Brown? The former two suggest that the USSR escalated the conflict at the end of the cultural revolution to undermine the Maoist position following the Cultural Revolution. I'm reading China Under Thread (1980) by them right now. Brown, on the other hand, suggests the border conflicts were engineered by Mao primarily to discredit Lin Biao. See: "Chinese Politics and American Policy" in Foreign Policy no 23 (1976).