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Ol' Dirty
26th March 2007, 20:32
Are you happy with the status quo?

RedAnarchist
26th March 2007, 20:35
What is a RM?

Pirate Utopian
26th March 2007, 20:38
Restricted member, i guess

Ol' Dirty
26th March 2007, 20:49
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 26, 2007 02:38 pm
Restricted member, i guess
Yeah. Sorry. Should've been more specific. :blush:

Capitalist Lawyer
26th March 2007, 21:10
Depends on what you mean by "status quo"?

The laws we have in place? The nature of employment? Standard of living? Our current administration?

If that's the case, then 85% satisfied with status quo.

I wish we had public figures who weren't up on the podium, making promises that they aren't constitutionally mandated to do.

Like, oh uhm...nationalized health care, NCLB, providing internet access from coast to coast.

I wish the USA would adhere to its founding principles of minimum government and a military that isn't stationed in 132 countries. Otherwise, it would be 99.99%.

Ol' Dirty
26th March 2007, 21:20
Originally posted by patton+March 26, 2007 03:06 pm--> (patton @ March 26, 2007 03:06 pm)
[email protected] 26, 2007 07:32 pm
Are you happy with the status quo?
In regards to what? [/b]
In general: personal life -no sexual details please-, government, economy, etc. et. al.

Jazzratt
26th March 2007, 21:31
Originally posted by LovelyShadeOfRed+March 26, 2007 08:20 pm--> (LovelyShadeOfRed @ March 26, 2007 08:20 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 03:06 pm

[email protected] 26, 2007 07:32 pm
Are you happy with the status quo?
In regards to what?
In general: personal life -no sexual details please-, government, economy, etc. et. al. [/b]
Why have you assumed the OIers have any kind of sex life? :lol:

Publius
26th March 2007, 22:14
Are you happy with the status quo?

No, not at all.

colonelguppy
27th March 2007, 00:33
is anyone happy with the status quo?

Jazzratt
27th March 2007, 01:28
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 26, 2007 08:10 pm
I wish we had public figures who weren't up on the podium, making promises that they aren't constitutionally mandated to do.

Like, oh uhm...nationalized health care, NCLB, providing internet access from coast to coast.
Wow, you're quite dogmatic about that document, really. Even the most deranged Marxist-Leninist recognises that current material conditions may well mean that some things that weren't accounted for in their original documents will arise.
Well done, you're intellectually inferior to a fruit loop Stalinist.

Also, you seem mightily afraid of progress like nationalised healthcare and internet provision. The information age is here, you're trying to halt it's progress by standing in the way of it physically spreading. As for your barbaric belief that the rich should have better healthcare than the poor, you make me fucking wretch :angry:

luztax
27th March 2007, 17:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 07:32 pm
Are you happy with the status quo?
Nope.

Knight of Cydonia
27th March 2007, 20:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 01:44 am

In general: personal life -no sexual details please-, government, economy, etc. et. al.
Not at all.
poor you.... <_<

IcarusAngel
28th March 2007, 00:47
If you&#39;re a conservative you would probably be happy with the fact that your ideology is the one that&#39;s ruling America and a great deal of the world.

I can only imagine capitalists and Libertarians aren&#39;t happy because the left, but not just the "left" the general public as well, has been able to establish some rights such as equality of opportunity, miminum wage laws, worker&#39; rights, women&#39;s rights, environmental laws, and other things that wouldn&#39;t (and didn&#39;t) exist under a pure laissez-faire society, through the Civil Rights movement, the Farmer&#39;s populist progressive movement, Women&#39;s Rights organizations, the environmental movement, the anti-corporate movement, etc.

So capitalism is bad, but it could be worse.

It&#39;s like I always say: Even though history has been dominated by right-wing tyrannies (aristocries, chattel slavery, fascism, capitalism, blah blah blah), these systems would have been worse -- a lot worse -- without some leftist thinking to challenge them, perhaps beginning with Aristotle and his views on democracy.

If we all were right-wing, there probably wouldn&#39;t even be a world to live on right now.

colonelguppy
28th March 2007, 07:11
what does capitalism have to do with the civil rights movement?

israeli1986
28th March 2007, 07:32
Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 07:32 pm
Are you happy with the status quo?
In my country, the status quo means crazy people blowing themselves up in buses and discos and shooting at hospitals and schools... clearly i am not at all happy about thisl, and we need to do something to settle this problem permanently. unfortunately the UN has tied our hands, and the USSR supplied guns and military equipment to our enemies, and deployed nuclear missiles in egypt to take us out if the need came about... thank god the status quo isnt the same here as it was in the 1960s or 70s... but it still needs improvement

bloody_capitalist_sham
28th March 2007, 07:44
Of course restricted members are happy.

They are only going to have to work to 65, 45 hrs a week just so they can pay their energy bills to watch amazing american tv shows and live a real life :D

RebelDog
28th March 2007, 07:48
Any pro-capitalist who isn&#39;t happy with the status-quo because of the violence, conflict etc, should remind themselves that you cannot have your capitalism/class society, without conflict.

colonelguppy
28th March 2007, 07:48
don&#39;t forget boozin&#39;

bloody_capitalist_sham
28th March 2007, 07:49
In my country, the status quo means crazy people blowing themselves up in buses and discos and shooting at hospitals and schools... clearly i am not at all happy about thisl, and we need to do something to settle this problem permanently. unfortunately the UN has tied our hands, and the USSR supplied guns and military equipment to our enemies, and deployed nuclear missiles in egypt to take us out if the need came about... thank god the status quo isnt the same here as it was in the 1960s or 70s... but it still needs improvement

In Palestine they have planes dropping bombs on them, Israeli tanks driving into their towns. They are made to go through Israeli check points in their own country.
they are having their land taken from them and houses bulldozed to make way for fat Americans to live in their supposed homeland. To protect them even when they have an apartment in Manhattan.

Im sure you guys will get your butts kicked next time you invade another country.

colonelguppy
28th March 2007, 07:53
Originally posted by The [email protected] 28, 2007 01:48 am
Any pro-capitalist who isn&#39;t happy with the status-quo because of the violence, conflict etc, should remind themselves that you cannot have your capitalism/class society, without conflict.
i would argue that you cannot avoid conflict at all, but i see nothing wrong about being concerned about individual conflicts that have the potential for change.

colonelguppy
28th March 2007, 07:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 01:49 am
Im sure you guys will get your butts kicked next time you invade another country.
politics aside israel has one of the most battle tested armies and the past has been bad for it&#39;s opponents. not much has changed.

bloody_capitalist_sham
28th March 2007, 08:49
politics aside israel has one of the most battle tested armies and the past has been bad for it&#39;s opponents. not much has changed.

well its a war culture. that cannot be said for it adversaries.

Its also getting &#036;4 billion in arms subsidies from the US.

Though, in the recent conflict with Hezbollah, i think we saw that the conscript army had to rely on targeting civilians, while the professional guerilla force targeted military targets.

The nature of industrial warfare always has a much higher ratio of civilian deaths to combatant deaths.

pusher robot
29th March 2007, 15:49
I sense that this question is a set-up. Nevertheless, here&#39;s my answer:

As a mammal, I&#39;m reasonably happy. I have all that is needed for survival, plus a wealth of luxuries. Of course, happiness is somewhat relative, and it seems that the more of our wants our satisfied, the weightier the remaining wants become. However, I&#39;m sanguine about these urges and have made deliberately chosen to ignore some of them in favor of a more relaxed lifestyle. As a capitalist, of course, that is my prerogative. My freedom to choose brings me happiness. I am unhappy when I feel coerced; or when others are coerced.

As a rational capitalist, I am pleased about some things in the status quo of the world and displeased about others. Senseless violence angers me. Irrationality and illogic angers me. Restricting and limiting of other humans angers me. Destruction of value angers me. Human achievement pleases me. Exploration and discovery pleases me. Virtue pleases me. Creation of value pleases me. Excellence pleases me.

As to my level of happiness, happiness is, I believe, subjective and relative. After all, who experiences greater joy? The starving hunter who kills a deer, or the cosmopolitan who buys steaks at the supermarket? Who has the better life? Nevertheless, happiness is where you find it, and I would rate myself as happy as the average human has always been.