Art Is Resistance...any NIN fans?

[Issaiah1332]

Has anyone heard of A.I.R...it has to do with an upcoming dystopian concept album by NIN, but it has turned into a real movement.

I am interested of anyone has heard about this and what their opinions are.

[IcarusAngel]

Real movement nothing. Look into some real dystopian works (see my thread, is capitalism dystopian). But actually Trent has claimed he's more political nowadays and has started reading chomsky etc.:

http://www.nin.com/access/5_18_04/questions3.gif

http://www.nin.com/access/5_10_04/questions4.gif

http://www.nin.com/access/2_26_05/questions2.gif

http://www.nin.com/access/7_19_05/index.asp

I still don't like "with teeth" or his new album as much as their old stuff though.

[Issaiah1332]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 11:12 pm
Real movement nothing. Look into some real dystopian works (see my thread, is capitalism dystopian). But actually Trent has claimed he's more political nowadays and has started reading chomsky etc.:

http://www.nin.com/access/5_18_04/questions3.gif

http://www.nin.com/access/5_10_04/questions4.gif

http://www.nin.com/access/2_26_05/questions2.gif

http://www.nin.com/access/7_19_05/index.asp

I still don't like "with teeth" or his new album as much as their old stuff though.
I agree! And yeah, I def. love their old stuff, but I think that this album is going to be cool. Esp. the way he is critiquing everything.

[colonelguppy]

bad musicians who get political only get worse. just look at NoFX.

[SPK]

Trent Reznor has almost always been apolitical on his NIN releases. The fact that he's being influenced by even moderates like Chomsky is surprising. That is a reflection of the reactionary political climate in the usa right now, which has caused a lot of people to start questioning the system. In any case, NIN's music is not as interesting as it once was, so this can only be an improvement.

[IcarusAngel]

LOL. The last thing we need is the protest-warriors commenting on music. Coloneldummy aren't you the guy whose "taste" in music includes Everclear, Smashing Pumpkins, and the "Dave Matthews band" (who you called the most talented band you've ever heard) and other crappy fratboy shi? If that doesn't tell you anything about the bland life he must lead, I don't know what does.

But right-wingers are expected to listen to crappy, pop music off the radio. ENEGMA (Publius) was far funnier as he pretended to be "in the know" about avant garde, early punk, etc... according to him, Echo and the Bunnymen, Ramones, etc. were the "true founders of punk" and more modern punk, i.e., NOFX, Pennywise, Suicide Machines, Bouncing Souls, etc. are all "too hardcore" to be classified as punk etc.

If there is to be a soundtrack of the revolution, I think it would be punk rock circa 1981-1986 (Black Flag, SSD, DRI, Agent Orange, Reagan Youth, MDC, the dicks, etc.), because a Revolution without slam dancing, is a revolution not worth having.

And Protest-Warriors, keep your "alternative" multi-millionaire bands, crap metal, and wuss rock at the PWIC clubhouse (http://z10.invisionfree.com/IC_Database/index.php?act=idx), please.

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 06:32 am
Trent Reznor has almost always been apolitical on his NIN releases. The fact that he's being influenced by even moderates like Chomsky is surprising. That is a reflection of the reactionary political climate in the usa right now, which has caused a lot of people to start questioning the system. In any case, NIN's music is not as interesting as it once was, so this can only be an improvement.
Well, I agree with your last sentence. The best art comes from passion, and we have seen that in Erasmus, Dickens, Tolstoy, etc., and last time I checked, music is an art. It's hard to be passionate about supporting the system, which is why most country, and right-wing "rock" are so uninspiring, out of tune, out of focus, out of touch with the plight of the working man. And that's also why I prefer punk to industrial.

But how is "Chomsky" a "moderate." Certainly by political-science standards, he's a leftist, and "The Chomsky Reader" contains some of his more revolutionary writings, i.e. radical outlooks on human nature, defenses of the Spanish Revolution, the roots of anti-capitalism, etc.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 01:57 am
LOL. The last thing we need is the protest-warriors commenting on music. Coloneldummy aren't you the guy whose "taste" in music includes Everclear, Smashing Pumpkins, and the "Dave Matthews band" (who you called the most talented band you've ever heard) and other crappy fratboy shi? If that doesn't tell you anything about the bland life he must lead, I don't know what does.

But right-wingers are expected to listen to crappy, pop music off the radio. ENEGMA (Publius) was far funnier as he pretended to be "in the know" about avant garde, early punk, etc... according to him, Echo and the Bunnymen, Ramones, etc. were the "true founders of punk" and more modern punk, i.e., NOFX, Pennywise, Suicide Machines, Bouncing Souls, etc. are all "too hardcore" to be classified as punk etc.

If there is to be a soundtrack of the revolution, I think it would be punk rock circa 1981-1986 (Black Flag, SSD, DRI, Agent Orange, Reagan Youth, MDC, the dicks, etc.), because a Revolution without slam dancing, is a revolution not worth having.

And Protest-Warriors, keep your "alternative" multi-millionaire bands, crap metal, and wuss rock at the PWIC clubhouse (http://z10.invisionfree.com/IC_Database/index.php?act=idx), please.
yeah i'd say punk music represents the average revolutionaries level of articulation and awareness pretty well

BAN BANG BANG POWER CHORDS (overlayed by rift written possibly by a 12 year old)

"THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS, SO DO CORPORATIONS
I WOULD EXPLAIN WHY BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANY THING BEYOND CATCHY SLOGANS THAT FIT NICELY IN VERSES"

insert impromptu scream, to show that the singer is really angry and thus really cool.

MORE POWER CHORDS

here, you can take that punk rock hit free, no charge.

[Zero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 01:23 pm
yeah i'd say punk music represents the average revolutionaries level of articulation and awareness pretty well
Ever heard Bad Religion?

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Zero+March 26, 2007 01:20 pm--> (Zero @ March 26, 2007 01:20 pm)
[email protected] 26, 2007 01:23 pm
yeah i'd say punk music represents the average revolutionaries level of articulation and awareness pretty well
Ever heard Bad Religion? [/b]
yeah don't know anything about them though. don't take that too seriously, i only do it because this prick is so arrogant about how great punk is and sometimes it's fun to sink to you're oponents level.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 01:23 pm
"THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS, SO DO CORPORATIONS
I WOULD EXPLAIN WHY BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANY THING BEYOND CATCHY SLOGANS THAT FIT NICELY IN VERSES"
Most of the time if you try to introduce a complex socio-economic treatise into a song it's going to fall flat on its fucking face.

That said punk rock lyrics could do with a splash of intelligence, maybe some lucidity too.

[Issaiah1332]

These lyrics to one of the new NIN songs...I think they are amazing!

You and I, we may look the same
But we are very far apart
There's bullet holes where my compassion used to be
And there is violence in my heart
Into fire you can send us
From the fire we return
You can label us a consequence
Of how much you have to learn

You can try but you'll never understand
This is something you will never understand
Can you hear it now?
Hear it coming now?
Can you hear it now?

On hands and knees we crawl
You cannot stop us all
Our bones, our skin
We will not let you in

You have set something in motion
Much greater than you've ever known
Standing there in all your grand naïvety
About to reap what you have sown
Time will feed upon your weaknesses
And soon you'll lose the will to care
When you return to the place that you call home
We will be there, we will be there

On hands and knees we crawl
You cannot stop us all
Our blood will stay
We will not go away

On hands and knees we crawl
You cannot stop us all
Our blood, our grace
Will never leave this place

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+March 26, 2007 01:23 pm--> (colonelguppy @ March 26, 2007 01:23 pm)yeah i'd say punk music represents the average revolutionaries level of articulation and awareness pretty well

BAN BANG BANG POWER CHORDS (overlayed by rift written possibly by a 12 year old)

"THE GOVERNMENT SUCKS, SO DO CORPORATIONS
I WOULD EXPLAIN WHY BUT I DON'T KNOW
ANY THING BEYOND CATCHY SLOGANS THAT FIT NICELY IN VERSES"

insert impromptu scream, to show that the singer is really angry and thus really cool.

MORE POWER CHORDS

here, you can take that punk rock hit free, no charge.[/b]

LOL. Listen to this crazy -- I'm still driving the Protest-Warriors insane. Yeah, that's punk, well, sort of, and at least it's passionate. Furthermore, many punk bands were quite talented music wise (at least compared to that crap from the 90s you listen to).

As for intelligent lyrics, here is an excerpt from your favorite band, the Dave Matthew's Band:

Im bare boned and crazy for you
When you come crash
Into me, baby
And I come into you
In a boys dream
In a boys dream
In a boys dream
In a boys dream

Then it goes...

Crash into me...
Crash into me...
Crash into me...
Ccccrrrrrrraaaaassssshhh intooooo meeeee...

DM, "Crash Into Me"

Fucking brilliant.


yeah don't know anything about them though. don't take that too seriously, i only do it because this prick is so arrogant about how great punk is and sometimes it's fun to sink to you're oponents level.

Uhhh... What? I thought somebody was talking about NIN and you had the gall to come in and claimed they are "bad musicians," knowing full well I'd call you out on your wuss rock bull shit.

Talent wise, Trent Reznor is far superior to Dave Matthews...

And of course I dont care you guys at Protest-Warrior listened to a bunch of shit ready-made for a ringtone, or that your idea of a "musical event" is packing a cooler full of beers and a blanket to go watch Dave Matthew's at an outdoor concert with your girl friend. As a right-wing fratboy, you're expected to be totally lame, listening to the same kind of music a 40 year old insurance agent listens to... Again, that's all funny to me.

But when you go around claiming far more talented, far more creative bands "suck" in comparison to Everclear and the Wallflowers, you can bet I'm going to call you out on it. Keep that shit at PW... Who listens to that crap anyways? This is the twenty-first century were in... Internet, DJs, the underground scene are the ones producing the good stuff now. Get with the program, coloneldummy.



[email protected] 26, 2007 06:20 pm
Ever heard Bad Religion?

Interestingly, while BR do write thought-provoking lyrics, they're kind of the epitome of a punk rock band whose songs all sound the same. Still, better music than Everclear though.

[Issaiah1332]

I will say that Trent is far superior to anyone...although I am not sure if I would tie him with John Lennon or put him higher. Both equally good masters of the piano, although both very very different.