evolution

[ratm545]

Atheists or not, i can't see any possible explanation for this theory. Maybe there's something i'm missing, but from what i've heard. This is the scientists weak attempt at giving us an explanation for how we're here. anything i'm missing?

[Mazdak]

How do you not see a possible explanation...

Hey, just look at a whale skeleton. That is enough convincing proof right there.

[Moskitto]

Evolution is real, why are runners running faster, thrower throwing further, jumpers jumping higher and longer, generation after generation (exclude sports requiring technical apparatus (A Delta is not the fucking equivalent of a Espada, It's the fucking equivalent of a Tiger).)

Anyway, the idea that characteristics die out because they're not suited to their environment seems pretty sensible to me, Colourblind people must be around because they can supposedly see camo (I don't believe this because I can't see the difference between people wearing grey overalls and trees when I'm paintballing.)

[canikickit]

This is so fucking stupid, of course things evolve. Fucking ignorance.

Like Mazdak said, look at the skeleton of a whale, it has evidence of legs. The human skeleton also still has the remnents of a tail.


weak attempt at giving us an explanation

what the hell?

Frget the fact that its supposed to be an explanation.

[Nateddi]

Actually you are wrong moskitto.

If you train to be a jumper all your life, it doesn't change your DNA at all. Therefore your children will be not one bit more of a jumper than you were; and so forth.

Evolution happens through rare good genetic mutations that allow one to survive better than the rest, therefore producing more people with the same mutation as a norm, and so forth.

[Ian]

Nateddi, I agree 100% with you, but there are a few nutcases who are trying to see if acquired characteristics can be imprinted on the nucleic acid of the cell, where the DNA is stored if you haven't seen Jurassic Park ;), but I think we all know that it is a farce.

[Mazdak]

Nateddi- please tell me that you are not a Creationist.

[Nateddi]

you idiot, can you actualy read my last post, i am defining evolution

[Mazdak]

I didnt ask you to ridicule me. I asked you to answer my question. And you still didnt. You idiot.

[Pinko]

[Nateddi]
"Actually you are wrong moskitto.

If you train to be a jumper all your life, it doesn't change your DNA at all. Therefore your children will be not one bit more of a jumper than you were; and so forth.

Evolution happens through rare good genetic mutations that allow one to survive better than the rest, therefore producing more people with the same mutation as a norm, and so forth.

Yes, that is true. But...
In a society where sporting prowess brings you fame and wealth, the odds of your genes being passed on are increased. Your wealth allows your offspring to prosper in a way that would have been harder to achieve if you were poor. Therefore, the genetic traits of sporting prowess are given a better chance at spreading than they would otherwise have.

Something that people forget in the evolution debate is the social impact on natural selection.
In a capitalist society where people are encouraged to succeed to the fullest of their potential, the intellegent people (those most likely to succeed) are increasingly chosing not to have a family in order to persue a career. This is breeding the high intellegence traits out of the gene pool in capitalist societies.


(Edited by Pinko at 4:50 am on Aug. 31, 2002)

[canikickit]

PINKO

This is breeding the high intellegence traits out of the gene pool in capitalist societies

This is an interesting point. I don't think it is neccessarily contained to capitalist societies, however, people are more likely to have smaller families because it is becoming more difficult to feed them. This.....ah, its getting to complicated....it should in theory be contained to capitalism, but unfortunatly, in practice, its not.

[Moskitto]

Quote: from Nateddi on 8:00 pm on Aug. 30, 2002
Actually you are wrong moskitto.

If you train to be a jumper all your life, it doesn't change your DNA at all. Therefore your children will be not one bit more of a jumper than you were; and so forth.

Evolution happens through rare good genetic mutations that allow one to survive better than the rest, therefore producing more people with the same mutation as a norm, and so forth.


They've discovered a sport gene in high profile families such as the Botham's, I would suspect that in lower interest sports such genes are apparant because rarely is one child in a family extremely good at sport. Also future generations would get stronger through natural selection according to the theory of evolution which means they would be able to get better at sport anyway without a sports gene existing.

(Edited by Moskitto at 5:26 pm on Aug. 31, 2002)

[Pinko]

[canikickit]
"This is an interesting point. I don't think it is neccessarily contained to capitalist societies, however, people are more likely to have smaller families because it is becoming more difficult to feed them. This.....ah, its getting to complicated....it should in theory be contained to capitalism, but unfortunatly, in practice, its not."

It is not restricted to capitalist societies, but it is most prevelent there. Stupid people (in the UK at least) are breeding like rabits, because the capitalists won't employ them (nobody will employ them for intelectual jobs and noone will employ them for menial work if they have family commitments), so the state supports them by giving them an allowance per child they support. This breeds a sub-culture of people having enormous numbers of children in order to get extra benefits and tax breaks.
The dumb breed and the smart don't

This is practically encouraged in capitalist societies, at the end of the day the capitalists want a stupid work force for menial labour because they will be happier with less and will not have the smarts to see the short deal they are getting.

So, it is not confined to capitalist states, but it most prevelant there.

[ratm545]

canikickit- This is so fucking stupid, of course things evolve. Fucking ignorance.

actually there are a couple facts proving evolution wrong, if the Earth is as old as they say it is, (and they say that we are very slowly going farther going away from the sun) then the Earth would not exist because we would of been so close to the sun that the planet would have burnt up. and they say that the moon is slowly orbiting away from the Earth too, once again if its all as old as they say, then the moon would have to of been touching the Earth when time started.

[Anonymous]

Evolution is just a theorry, its not proved, yet i believe in it, even trough the ages the man has evolved see the case the average citzien in the roman empire were 1,65m tall, the nordic tribes were 1,75m , yet today in the mediterranian i think that teh average is 1,75m and in the nordic countrys is 1,80m or something like that (i cant quote the sources since i saw this in a science magazine and i cvant remember in wich one (yet i think it was in QUO!) so the numbers arent even close to the real but that is jsut to give a example so it hasnt to be necessarly exact!)






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[Lardlad95]

One of the few religous people who believes in evolution.

Personally I don't even see how it goes against God.

In the case of humans though I do believe that there were early hominids.

How ever I go with the religous theory of the pre adamite Earth.

besides that I don't see why more religous people don't believe that religion exists

[Anonymous]

to religious people: if adan and eve really existed (and in my opinion they dindt!) dindt satan free them? they were captives in God´s lands, they were ignorant since they couldnt think by themselfs, and satan gave eve a bit of the"forbiden" fruit, the aple of knowledge! wasnt this helping mankind? preventing them from living a primitive life? Whow can knowledge be forbiden? ignorance was God´s choice to mankind, is this right? enslaving mankind in the backyard of the world? preventing them from living by theyr own ideals? enslaving them in a celestial zoo?

[Nateddi]

mazdak,

what makes you think I am a creationist? I referred you to my first post in order for you to figure out your question for yourself, do you still have doubts?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from the anarchist on 2:31 pm on Sep. 1, 2002
to religious people: if adan and eve really existed (and in my opinion they dindt!) dindt satan free them? they were captives in God´s lands, they were ignorant since they couldnt think by themselfs, and satan gave eve a bit of the"forbiden" fruit, the aple of knowledge! wasnt this helping mankind? preventing them from living a primitive life? Whow can knowledge be forbiden? ignorance was God´s choice to mankind, is this right? enslaving mankind in the backyard of the world? preventing them from living by theyr own ideals? enslaving them in a celestial zoo?


If they couldn't think for themselves then how did they choose to eat the forbidden fruit?

They had a choice, they chose to disobey God.

Until they ate the fruit they didn't know that they were naked, or what good and evil were.

When they ate it all that happened was they lost their innocence.

Their iggnorance wasn't stupidity it was innocence

[Mazdak]

Quote: from Nateddi on 2:59 pm on Sep. 1, 2002
mazdak,

what makes you think I am a creationist? I referred you to my first post in order for you to figure out your question for yourself, do you still have doubts?


Do i know you personally? No. So you could be a very religious person for all i know. You defended all the religious arguments from lardlad and DDAY. I am sorry i didnt take time out of my day to read your life story :)

Oh and hey, lardlad, ever think of this. Adam and eve had two sons. Cain and abel.

Cain killed abel. Now you have cain, adam, and eve. Where does the rest of humanity come from.

[ratm545]

Posted on 5:47 pm on Sep. 1, 2002-Cain killed abel. Now you have cain, adam, and eve. Where does the rest of humanity come from.

it would be a very long task and take a few hundred years to get any amount of population to speak of. just because the bible doesn't go into who fucked who and give the life description of all of adam and eves kids or even cain and eve's kids. the population would very slowly start growing, they had to of make kids with their siblings and parents. somethin not pleasent to think of, but thats the explanation

[Anonymous]

If they couldn't think for themselves then how did they choose to eat the forbidden fruit?

They had a choice, they chose to disobey God.

Until they ate the fruit they didn't know that they were naked, or what good and evil were.

When they ate it all that happened was they lost their innocence.

Their iggnorance wasn't stupidity it was innocence



eve dint choose to eat the fruit, the snake (belzebu) convinced her to eat it, see the snake used eve´s ignorance to convince her that there aqs no prob. if there were real knowledge she wouldnt acept the fruit! so it takes credits to ignorance-inocence it was ignorance-inocence/stupidity

[kingbee]

dunno if this point has been made but i think its quite a good one- humans always tend to think that we a re the finished form of evolution. we are not. imagine what we could be like in 10,000 years?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from the anarchist on 7:35 pm on Sep. 1, 2002

If they couldn't think for themselves then how did they choose to eat the forbidden fruit?

They had a choice, they chose to disobey God.

Until they ate the fruit they didn't know that they were naked, or what good and evil were.

When they ate it all that happened was they lost their innocence.

Their iggnorance wasn't stupidity it was innocence



eve dint choose to eat the fruit, the snake (belzebu) convinced her to eat it, see the snake used eve´s ignorance to convince her that there aqs no prob. if there were real knowledge she wouldnt acept the fruit! so it takes credits to ignorance-inocence it was ignorance-inocence/stupidity


If someone fucking told you that eating a peiece of fruit would make you a God and they made a convincing arguement then you wouldn't take a fucking bite?

I know it seems a little stupid to do it...but if you had come into personal contact with God and knew there was one?

Come on she was tricked even teh smartest people can act stupid

[Anonymous]

dunno if this point has been made but i think its quite a good one- humans always tend to think that we a re the finished form of evolution. we are not. imagine what we could be like in 10,000 years?

"I teach you the superhuman. Man is something that should be overcome. What have you done to overcome it?
Every being, untill now, created something that is behond themselfs;...
(...)What is the monkey to men? a laugh or a painful shame. And that is what mankind shall be to superman: a laugh or a painfull shame!" Nietzche

[PunkRawker677]

"that the moon is slowly orbiting away from the Earth too, once again if its all as old as they say, then
the moon would have to of been touching the Earth when time started."

No one said that the moon was created at the same exact time as the earth. The moon was pulled into the earths orbit, i'm not sure if anyone knows when.

[anti machine]

evolution is a fact, just not in the sense that we think of it as bieng: our derision from ancient apes. We have evolved and continue to evolve. What we were originally i know not, and science has yet to tell.

[Nateddi]

mazdak,

you don't need to know my life story. if you read my first post, you would see i made it obvious i am not a creationist.

so why did you ask me if i was a creationist after i made that post? I assume you judged it by the first line, which goes "you are wrong, moskitto". If you read it, you would see i was constructively correcting his idea of evolution, whereas the first line is very similar to somethign a creationist must say. the moral: read the whole post :)

now where does my life story come into this :confused: