How is Mao and different from Stalin?

[deadpool 52]

I will take that as he does not have a mustache. http://www.bladegash.net/forums/images/smilies/newlaugh.gif

[Nateddi]

can anyone say chit chat?

if you wish to ridicule authoritarian socialism in your manner, please do not do it in this forum.

(btw, i am NOT a stalinist or maoist)

[deadpool 52]

Yeah, this was not too much of a serious conversation. . . just wanted to know what you guys thought of the differences.

[Conghaileach]

Well, Mao was Chinese and Stalin was Russian.

[Xvall]

Mao Wasn't a Marxist..

[Michael De Panama]

As far as their systems of political organization went, they are both pretty much on the same level of ruthless authoritarianism, except Stalin had a proletarian vanguard party and Mao had a peasant vanguard party. Minor details like that. You know, Stalin did a better job at industrializing his country, and a much better job at killing his own people without reason, but, I mean, you can't say that Mao didn't try his best.

I think the main difference between the two would have to be that Stalin isn't a genius guerrilla fighter, and Mao is. Stalin isn't half of the great revolutionary that Mao is, and, at least in that area, Mao has my respect. Of course, totalitarianism is absolute fucking bullshit no matter how you slice it.

[Mazdak]

I am already swamped with the difficulties of Socialism Vs. capitalism and religion, so i am not even going to bother...

Goddammit, where are the stalinists? HELP!!

[Trebaxian Vir]

Stalin was great, Mao was an idiot.

[Michael De Panama]

Care to elaborate as to why you support one mass murderer and not the other? And furthermore, care to elaborate as to why you call a military genius an "idiot"? Come on, I'm extremely anti-totalitarian and am totally against Mao's political ideology, but the man was far from an "idiot", especially when compared to certain fatass Russian dictators.

[Mazdak]

What does Stalin's and/or Kruchev's weight have to do with anything?

[peaccenicked]

Stalin was a counter-revolutionary who lived under imperialism. China was not so important to the world market.

What is the difference in blood?

[maoist3]

Mao had the benefit of hindsight.

He differed from Stalin on one essential point
(and many smaller ones). The essential point
was that Stalin believed that enemies would
be in the party and have to be purged, but
he did not believe there would be a bourgeoisie
in the party. Mao changed that after seeing
people in the party restore capitalism in the Soviet
Union. For this reason he said there
needed to be a Cultural Revolution
to fight the capitalist-roaders.

It was also people in the party to restore
capitalism in Albania and China. It was not
done by imperialist invaders or old landlords
or old capitalists. Restoring capitalism without
a bourgeoisie was a theoretical problem in
Stalin's work that Mao fixed.

[peaccenicked]

Inane propaganda, so false it is criminally insane,
Moaist3 is so irresponisble to the duties of history that he should be banned from this bb.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 6:04 am on Aug. 28, 2002)

[maoist3]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 6:03 am on Aug. 28, 2002
Inane propaganda, so false it is criminally insane,
Moaist3 is so irresponisble to the duties of history that he should be banned from this bb.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 6:04 am on Aug. 28, 2002)


[email protected] replies for MIM:
Getting persynal again, eh, Peacenicked? You've
already proved you have nothing to say about why
Ernest Hemingway, W.E.B. Du Bois, Paul Robeson,
Lu Xun and Jean-Paul Sartre worked with and upheld
Stalinists and Maoists. Perhaps you would like
to explain how they were historically irresponsible
and criminal? Or isn't it more likely that you are
just an ignorant, petty-bourgeois philistine?
So sure, ban me (Malte is too gutless to just come
out and do it and instead slinks around):
it's not going to change your
inability to argue against any Stalinist-defender,
whether it be Mazdak or Sartre.

BTW, change the word "Trotskyism" to "Ticktinism"
and all of this post from Sartre applies to you:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G266521A1

The critique of anti-communist idealism is the same
whether Trotsky, Ticktin or much of anti-Marxist
anarchism.

[peaccenicked]

Look comrade, If I can even begin to find the words,
that put you in the sewer that has nothing to do with communism.
I am named after Paul Robeson. I sing his songs. I have exposed the CIA murder and linked to this bb. It was so long ago I don't know if it is still in existence. All of the intellectuals you mention were duped.
The point is they lived in a time duping was possible, and none of them were uncritical of Stalinism or its practices.
The basic questions are: Why do you insistently condone mass murder? Why do you say it is economical? Why are you saying that the lives of the consenters are worth more than those of the dissenters? Why are you saying democracy is useless?
WHY are you saying conform to MIM and you will be alright?

[deadpool 52]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 10:53 am on Aug. 25, 2002
As far as their systems of political organization went, they are both pretty much on the same level of ruthless authoritarianism, except Stalin had a proletarian vanguard party and Mao had a peasant vanguard party. Minor details like that. You know, Stalin did a better job at industrializing his country, and a much better job at killing his own people without reason, but, I mean, you can't say that Mao didn't try his best.

I think the main difference between the two would have to be that Stalin isn't a genius guerrilla fighter, and Mao is. Stalin isn't half of the great revolutionary that Mao is, and, at least in that area, Mao has my respect. Of course, totalitarianism is absolute fucking bullshit no matter how you slice it.


Exactly, just minor differences.

Mao's philosophy was top notch, but the way he carried it out was absurd.