Marxism

[DKAnarchy53]

will someone please explain marxism to me?

[man in the red suit]

Marxism is the belief of the dictatorship of the proletariot(democracy of the proletariot class). All private property is abolished and all means of production and distribution are controlled by the state. The capitalists are not given democratic rights as they are willing to gain the upperhand and keep the communist parties under their feet.



Did I get it right Nateddi? lol

[Nateddi]

@mitrs
all that you have said is correct, expect it is proletariat not proletariot. :)


@anarchist
until you know what marxism is, do not post anti-communist. ignorance shall not breed here.

anyway, here are some good explanations of marxism for you.

Marxists.org Marxism section (http://marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm) (intermediate-advanced)

Cambridge Companion to Marx (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521366941/qid=1029983485/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/104-3729088-7238366?s=books&n=507846) (intermediate-advanced)[/url]

Marx For Beginners (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679725121/qid=1029983533/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-3729088-7238366?s=books&n=507846) (easy)

Communist Party of Cananda "New Math" (http://communist-party.ca/english/html/body_school.html) (very easy)
Communist Party of Cananda "Class Struggle" (http://communist-party.ca/english/html/body_class.html) (very easy)

Capital (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140445684/qid=1029983684/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-3729088-7238366) (advanced)

Manifesto of the Communist Party (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm) (easy-intermediate)

[peaccenicked]

''Marxism'' is a word that Marx scoffed at. The whole idea of attaching an 'ism' to a name is anti scientific.
Lenin said ''If I had the choice between Marxism and the truth, he would choose the truth''.
''Marxism'' if it is anything a faith that humanity can make the truth prevail and rescue mankind from the cobwebs of dogma and ideology. He was anti poverty in mind and body. Marx's work is merely a building board
that has its roots in the history of classical philosophy,
one can't engage in an honest discussion of the world
without referring to his analyses, even the most right wing academics live under the shadow of the clear truths he pronounced.
To be communist is to ask the question consistently in whose interests is this. Marx was the first philosopher to do so consistently and unmask the class interests
of the various phases of societal development he studied.

[Edelweiss]

Anarchism has many Marxist elements, actually the borders between anarchism and communism are fluent, e.g. Anarcho-Syndicalism.
I never understood anti-communitst anarchists or anti-anarchist communists, we have to unite and fight together against capitalism. The common goal is a class-free society.
Check out http://www.anarchosyndicalism.org

[peaccenicked]

I agree almost, anarchism today is a new force, some
of the anarchist websites are more 'marxist' than the leninists, even more leninist than leninists.
Most of the radical anarchists today cant be recognised in this controversy, (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/sep/staterev/ch04.htm#s2) Yet there is still some who argue the old abnegation of political struggle.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 3:36 pm on Aug. 22, 2002)

[DKAnarchy53]

i am not anti-communist

[DKAnarchy53]

thank you i know understand marxism better

[Michael De Panama]

Anarchy is actually a part of the Marxist theory.

But yeah, I agree that we are pretty much trying to achieve the same goals as the anarchists. The only so-called anarchists that piss me off are the anarcho-capitalist bunch. That, and the dumbass kids who buy t-shirts at Hot Topic with the circle-A on it for $15, if you want to call them anarchists.

[Anonymous]

Marxism is the belief of the dictatorship of the proletariot(democracy of the proletariot class). All private property is abolished and all means of production and distribution are controlled by the state. The capitalists are not given democratic rights as they are willing to gain the upperhand and keep the communist parties under their feet.

soo who controls the state is the absolute ruler like stalin was, like Mao was etc....?
So not take this as an insult! i am only saying that marxism makes a way to totalitarism! since the state controls all! every citzen is nothing but a piece at the state hands! and if the ruler of the state isnt good whe have a seriuose totalitarism problem! thats why democracy is soo neede in socialism! "Democracy is needed for socialism"-Lenin

[Anonymous]

Anarchism has many Marxist elements, actually the borders between anarchism and communism are fluent, e.g. Anarcho-Syndicalism.
I never understood anti-communitst anarchists or anti-anarchist communists, we have to unite and fight together against capitalism. The common goal is a class-free society.
This is why i like Malte soo much!!!

Plus i am anarchist thanks too anarcho-syndicalism! it made me anarchsit!

[anti machine]

pardon me, but did Marx support the dictatorship of the proletariat? I dont think dictatorship was in mind and i have found nothing in the manifesto that proves this to be true.

[peaccenicked]

There is such a thing as the dictatorship of the capitalist class. ppl vote.
All we are saying is stop voting for the capitalist class.
If we vote for parties representing our class, our dictatorship means get the fuck rid of parties of the capitalist class, not by means of Stalinism.

But by spreading the understanding of working class interests.