communism

[DKAnarchy53]

Why would you want te government contoling even more?

[Mazdak]

Here's a good suggestion. Try to learn about a theory before making such assumptions. There are different forms of communism. Not all are stalinist(although i believe in more control).

And people are greedy ignorant and intolerant. They are sheep that will follow who ever promises them the most money/ goods. This is why you have to be forcful. Without force, people would take advantage. They do.

[Nateddi]

lala lala laa la la laaaa idealist/idiot/utopian alert ^^^^ (not you mazdak)

[Edelweiss]

Better idealist alert, than Stalinist alert! Idealists are potential liberators, Stalinists are potential tyrants.
Beside, don't you think that your dogma Marxism-Leninism is an utopia too in our days?
If you are against idealists, you shouldn't post on a Che Guevara board...

[Nateddi]

a - stalinism is possible to work, therfore mazdak has a point and legitimacy in supporting it (even though I don't). the kind of statements that the original poster made are stagnating any left movement because of the idealism in them.

marxism-leninism is possible to work a lot better. if you say it hasn't been implemented properly therefore it can't work, look at the alternatives, they are even more idealist. marxist-leninist parties in most nations, especially the kprf in russia which is getting huge turnouts at the polls (30% last time, ever growing in popularity). anyone who is a marxist and not a leninist is basically a little off from leninism, because leninism does not change marxism in a great deal (marxism isn't general socialist/communist theory, it is a lot more than that). the real dogma is of those that are basically nihilists and anti-everything. the anti-government dogma of the anarchist left is what is wrong. its as dogmatic as the anti-tax or anti-regulation arrogant ideas of the anarcho-capitalists.

[Mazdak]

Potential Tyrants? Call if what you will. Once again, Vlad the Impaler might have been a tyrant but he got the job done. As did Stalin.

[DKAnarchy53]

i am not attacking communism or anything i just didnt understand it.

[Edelweiss]

Nattedi, you are very right in the point that anarchists are often very dogmatic too. Although they are claiming that they don't know the entire truth. All "isms" are dogmas, and many anarchists are bad dogmatics...

[oki]

just put a label on it and dismiss .right,fellows?
now who's dogmatic?

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:04 pm on Aug. 21, 2002
Potential Tyrants? Call if what you will. Once again, Vlad the Impaler might have been a tyrant but he got the job done. As did Stalin.


If "getting the job done" means slaughtering people with little or no reason, then yes Stalin got the job done.

[Mazdak]

No good reason. is enemy of the people/ traitor not a good enough reason.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:29 am on Aug. 24, 2002
No good reason. is enemy of the people/ traitor not a good enough reason.
Stalin himself was a traitor to the people. He killed genuine communists to secure he own power.

[Ymir]

Well Stalin wasnt really a communist was he?