Vietnam and the Vietcong

[Xvall]

What do you think of Vietnam? Do you think it is a good place, do you think it 'progressed' at all; Or do you think it was an undemocratic country? Do you support the Vietnamese struggle? What do you think of the Vietcong?

Opinions?

[Nateddi]

I support the NVA and Vietcong 100%

[Xvall]

Cool..

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 11:50 pm on Aug. 20, 2002)

[Mazdak]

I have the same exact views as Nateddi on this subject.

[Felicia]

I also support the Vietnamese struggle aswell as the Vietcong. I guess we're all on the same page with this one :)

[soilride]

One thing that has inspired me from the Vietnamese Revolution is the revolutionary consciousness displayed by the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese Army in their struggle for independence against a history of foreign invaders and imperialists. It has been said that it is not easy to win a revolution, it is harder to maintain a revolution, and even harder to win a revolution. But it is after it has been won that the real revolution takes place, that is where the problems begin. And I believe that is what is going on with Vietnam today.

I definetely support the Vietnamese struggle.

[sonicattack]

Any Nation that can eat rice in 600 different ways deserves respect!.

[anti machine]

All agreed.

[suffianr]

Solid. Their hit-and-run tactics redefined guerrilla warfare, they pulled off the Tet Offensive brilliantly, and gave Uncle Sam a good bollocking.

[Menshevik]

I think the whole situation in Vietnam was and is depressing. You have people, who base their lives on an agrarian code, completely shut off from the outside world until foreign powers come along and try to occupy their homeland. They don't pay much attention to the invaders, but then the foreigners get oppressive and start inflicting degrading, unnecessary tasks upon them. So, the people fight, not so much because of political ideology, but just so they can live in peace, and hundreds of thousands die. This happens over the course of several hundred years, and always with the same turnout.

Are the Vietnamese people any happier? No, not really. For the most part, they just went back to working in the rice paddy, not paying any attention to who the local power is.

[boadicea88]

All of the above I agree with, except for what Menshevik said.

[Nateddi]

How are the vietnamiese doing worse than they were under Diem or even worse under the Frogs?

[Menshevik]

nate, Who said they were doing worse? All I said is that the revolution made little difference in most of the people's lives. I just find the whole situation depressing because for so long the Vietnamese were fighting for independence and it resulted in the deaths of millions, but it didn't make a huge difference to the people who were supposed to appreciate it most.

[Mazdak]

Well, vietnam for one thing was devastated, and Pol Pot didnt help the situation so i dont think a perfect society could rapidly improve the conditions in vietnam, let along the imperfect vietnamese government.

[deadpool 52]

Yes, the quality of life (in our eyes) has improved little.

[ArgueEverything]

i don't understand all this pro-vietcong sentiment.

the vietcong were just as bad as the stalinists. you seem to have a romanticised view of their struggle against the US. thats fair enough, but you should also read about the atrocities they committed against vietnamese civilians, especially after the fall of saigon in 1975.

it's one thing to be against the war in vietnam, its another thing to support the vietcong. its similar with the proposed war against iraq.

[Marxman]

That's right. Vietnam is a typical stalinist state and I despise everything about it, except that it repelled the US away. They really showed some war tactics and they can be proud but everything else is not a pretty site, starting from their government. Guerrilaism is definitely not a marxist method of making a socialist revolution. Armed struggle is what I support but an armed struggle of the majority - proletarians and peasants. I support the armed struggle to overthrow capitalism but not a massacre. October revolution can be a great example of a relative peaceful revolution (I'm not talking about the civil war that followed)

[Cassius Clay]

Oh My God, I've heard it all now. And what atrocities would they be precisly? Are your sources the same one's that told you that in 1980's there were ten million political prisoners in Siberia ? (only to all disapear in 1991). Or the people that told you that the Contras were freedom fighters. Or perhaps they were the one's that told you that Iraqi soldiers stormed a Kuwaite hospital and killed all the babies, when it is later found out the 'witness' had never been to Kuwait.

You claim to be Marxist, and you do not support the Vietcong in their just war against America's genocidal war which killed 3 million workers and peasants. Not to mention 60,000 innocent Americans who were usually just working class. The Vietcong who liberated the people of Cambodia from the Khrmer Rouge only to be invaded by the revisionists in China and dealt 10 years of UN sanctions. One of the great irony's of of the Cold War is the scenes of the usually middle class and corrupt South Vietnamise trying to grab onto American helicopters, while NVA tanks rolled into the Presidential palace. Yet no massacre ever took place, not even the most Right wing sources claim with any seriousness that one ever did take place. But then again you Trotskyites are no different from Fascists, just hell bent on military conquest.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

The viet cong did a great job in a milatery point of view and don't forget that bombing villages like the us did also counts as crimes agaisnt humanity.I think Vietnam and the vietcong are an example to all the people who believe that they can beat the US.

[redstar2000]

In the U.S., we've never been permitted to learn much about what has happened in Vietnam since the war (it's as if the "party line" here is that there's no such place!).

But one point, at least, is clear to me: the Vietnamese liberation of the people of Cambodia from Pol Pot's barbarism has to be one of the greatest acts of genuine international proletarian solidarity in the history of the revolutionary movement thus far.

Even if they had done nothing else or never do anything else, they have written a page in the honorable history of international communism. That's good enough for me!