anti-maoists attack gays and claim to be maoists

[TC]

From the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Campaign:


KATHMANDU, November 26, 2006 – After therecentpeacedealbetweentheNepalGovernment and the Maoists, metis (crossdressing effeminate males), like every other Nepalese, were hoping that their rights would beensured and they would also enjoy freedom andsafety.But the situation and hate crimes they face frommany directions each day makes them believethat their situation has become far worse thanbefore.Before the ‘peace deal’, most of the violenceagainst metis was committed by the Nepalipolice, but recently many metis have beenvictimized by men who called themselves Maoists.

On Friday night (November 24), four men, two of them in combat uniform, came to the metis room at Lazimpat where few of them share a apartment building.

They were abused both physically and verbally,beaten badly, and told not to remain metis anymore. Their mobile phones, money, jewellery werestolen. The four men, who claimed to be from the Maoist party, told the metis to collect the phones from Maoist office either in Kalanki or in Kupondole.

Yesterday, Blue Diamond Society contacted the Maoist in charge of valley operation, Yadav. He came and talked with metis. He said that unfortunate incident the previous night was not carried out by the Maoists as they don’t do this kind of looting especially from the most poor and marginalized section of population. However, Yadev said that this was not the only case that these kind of criminals carrying out using the Maoists name – and his party was also looking for these criminals. Many metis said it could be a group of petty criminals who constantly need money for substance use, or some kind of organised move to compromise the credibility of the Maoist samong Nepali people. One of the looters on Friday dropped his photograph and metis handed over the photo to Yadav who assured the them that the party would try their best to crack down these kind of criminals who are using the Maoist name.

Source and full article:
http://www.iglhrc.org/files/iglhrc/Felipa_...-COC%202007.pdf (http://www.iglhrc.org/files/iglhrc/Felipa_2007/IGLHRC-COC%202007.pdf)

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So there you go, theres a systematic effort to discredit the Nepali Maoists by attacking gay people while claiming to be Maoists, but the Maoists themselves do not participate in these attacks and attempt todefend gay Nepali workers against gay bashing attacks as they regard them as part of the poor and marginalized section of society from which they draw their support, hardly a 'byproduct of capitalism' as some have claimed.

No wonder the bourgeois media has prefered to spin it against the maoists: the media's aim is the same as the phoney-maoist gay bashers.

[Ezekiel]

Word.

[Red7]

Very good, comrade! :D

[PRC-UTE]

hope they track down the people that falsely used their name to terrorise innocent people and give them some justice!

[Angry Young Man]

Erm. Spaces are usually quite nice. And why were they pretending to be Maoists, btw?

[RNK]

To defame them. The Maoists are incredibly, incredibly popular in Nepal.

[Severian]

Oh come on. How gullible do you have to be to believe that?

This is what the Maoists say about every single attack carried out by their cadres since the peace deal was signed. At least this is what they always start out saying - every once and a while they're forced to retract that denial.

What are they going to do, admit they are still carrying out violent acts despite signing the peace accord?

Take, for example, an incident currently at the top of Nepal's headlines. The beating of a hotel owner to extort money from him for their party. This incident sparked a business strike currently going on to demand the government take action against the Maoists. But my point here is the Maoists' official statements on it.

First:

Talking to Nepalnews, Maoist leader Dev Gurung said his party had no policy to abduct or take action against anybody and claimed that the attack on Hari Shrestha, owner of Hotel Woodland at Durbar Marg, on Sunday night could be the result of dispute between the employers and the workers.

He, however, said the party would investigate into the incident and initiate action if any party cadre was found involved.
source (http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2007/mar/mar19/news12.php)

Gee, look at that! Isn't that exactly the same thing they're claiming about the anti-gay attacks?

But then a couple days later, under pressure - naturally an attack on business owners produces more backlash than an attack on a marginalized group like metis - the Maoists retract their claim:


The CPN-Maoist Tuesday said that it will take action against two of its cadres involved in Sunday's thrashing of Durbar Marg hotel owner Hari Shrestha.
source (http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?nid=104195)

Gee, imagine that! It wasn't a vast shadowy conspiracy after all!

As for the promise to punish those responsible: there's no evidence anyone ever is - certainly it doesn't happen often enough to discourage Maoist cadres from committing more thuggery. You gotta conclude the leadership is winking at it.

To believe otherwise would be like believing the Abu Ghraib torture scandal was the work of a few bad apples.

But I will say that the danger of monarchist backlash is real, it grows with time, and it is largely building under the banner of impatience with continued Maoist atrocities. The business strike has to be regarded as strengthening this danger.

The best way to counter it is to move rapidly ahead with the peace process: show a bourgeois-democratic republic can bring peace where the monarchy failed. Too bad the Maoists keep dragging their feet, continuing this type of attack, etc.....once you start on this road of peace negotiations, you might as well go through with it. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. (And I always thought the peace process, reformist though it is, was an improvement over the Maoists outright anti-worker conduct during the civil war.)

And just so we're clear, it's certainly not just business owners and gays who are the target of ongoing thug attacks by the CPN(M). For example, the CPN(M) is conducting ongoing attacks on the Madheshi People's Rights Forum, which is organizing to fight back - one recent clash between them reportedly killed 25 people. (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=64368&st=0&#entry1292286329)

There have also been attacks on trade unionists.

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A few other recent CPN(M) statements:
Prachanda claimed a couple weeks ago there would be an interim government within a couple days. Somehow that didn't happen.

Prachanda blamed the mass actions demanding rights for the Madheshi ethnic group were the product of a shadowy royalist conspiracy and proposed a joint Nepal Army - "People's Army" action to crush them.

Eh, I could go on. They're telling whoppers every day.

Anybody who still takes their statements seriously - I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

[TC]

excellent anti-communist liberal propaganda from Severian, however it was totally irrelevant and off topic as typical.



Gee, look at that! Isn't that exactly the same thing they're claiming about the anti-gay attacks?

No its not.

in fact these two incidents were totally different.

in the incident where anti-communist thugs attacked gay nepali's, the party on seeing photos of them confirmed that they were not party members but people acting deliberately to discredit them (while making a profit out of it).

In the incident that you sited, Dev Gurung said that if such an attack took place it would have gone against Maoist policy, he did not however deny that maoist cadre were responsible as he didn't know whether or not they were at the time, upon conducting an internal investigation, the maoists discovered that two of their own cadre were responsible for breaking maoist law and they were punished accordingly.


The gay bashing incidents involved confirmed non-maoists who merely claimed to be maoists, this random incident that severian sited involved rogue maoist cadre who were apprehended by the party.

Your bullshit anti-communism and eagerness to see successful revolutionaries discredited does nothing to change the fact that Nepali Maoist policy is contrary to news reports not anti-gay.

[bolshevik butcher]

To be honest even if this attack was carried out by some maoists going against the official maoist line, which we have no reason to believe, then surely this should not affect our view of the maoists in general as they would discipline members for this. While I would criticise the Nepalses maoists for many things, failing to take power etc I think to call their attitudes towards gays chauvinisitc based on this "evidence" is pretty pathetic to be honest.

[RNK]

Sad, Severian. Very sad.


Maoists outright anti-worker conduct during the civil war.)

So the Maoists were anti-worker... is that why they had overwhelming support from the urban proletariat anytime they'd call for a mass strike?

I agree TC; some people just have this overwhelming urge to bash down any successful movement if it isn't their movement.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Severian how anti-communist can you get for christ-sakes! The Maoists are taking action against any cadre who do go out of line. That may even be bullshit that they did those attacks.

[Severian]

So the Maoists were anti-worker... is that why they had overwhelming support from the urban proletariat anytime they'd call for a mass strike?

What are you talking about? They'd threaten to shoot anyone who drove a bus or opened a shop. People would comply. Is that "overwhelming support"?

Yeah, for my comments to be anticommunist....the CPN(M) would have to be communist.

Nobody's given any indication that they have in fact disciplined anybody for any of these actions.

Unlike, say, Abu Ghraib, where at least a few low-level people were given a slap on the wrist. Of course, that doesn't change the reality that the highest-level policymakers were in fact behind those abuses.

I hope none of you believe the excuses when it comes to Abu Ghraib. So why do you believe them when it comes to the CPN(M)?

[RNK]

Did they also threaten to shoot the hundreds of thousands of people that took to the streets on an almost weekly basis? Did they threaten to shoot the thousands of people that would protest waving the Maoists' red flags?

Sorry, your criticism just doesn't add up with fact. The Maoists have no physical presence in the cities; and yet the people there rise up, and protest in the tens, and sometimes hundreds, of thousands -- and they do so knowing that repression from the Nepali government is likely. Doesn't sound like the behaviour of people who fear the Maoists.

Stop regurgitating anti-communist propaganda.

[PRC-UTE]

Using criminal gangs operating under the banner of revolutionary forces is standard counterinsurgency doctrine (see Kitson). This happened many times in Ireland that I know of, there are still criminals who try to operate under the name of republican armies to discredit them. I'd be more surprised honeslty if this didn't happen at least once in Nepal.

[Severian]

Originally posted by PRC-[email protected] 24, 2007 12:29 pm
Using criminal gangs operating under the banner of revolutionary forces is standard counterinsurgency doctrine (see Kitson). This happened many times in Ireland that I know of, there are still criminals who try to operate under the name of republican armies to discredit them. I'd be more surprised honeslty if this didn't happen at least once in Nepal.
You'd have to be one heck of a conspiracist to believe this explains the huge number of Maoist atrocities in Nepal.


he hundreds of thousands of people that took to the streets on an almost weekly basis? Did they threaten to shoot the thousands of people that would protest waving the Maoists' red flags?

What are you talking about? The mass upsurge that brought down the monarchy?

That wasn't led by the Maoists, and it ended when the seven-party alliance called it off.

The big contribution of the Maoists to that upsurge - was to call off their armed blockade at the request of the 7-party alliance.

I notice you dodged my Abu Ghraib point.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 01:52 am




You'd have to be one heck of a conspiracist to believe this explains the huge number of Maoist atrocities in Nepal

awwww.... Severian feels sorry for the bourgious and denounces proletarian and peasant revolution. What a shocker. Even if your renegade BS about the revolution only happening because Prachanda is able to hold the entire country by the gun is remotely true, I assume you support the strike breakers and scabs who break lines during a trade strike, right? Because that's who you're siding with here. I can see it now, "those evil strikers should leave the scabs alone"


What are you talking about? The mass upsurge that brought down the monarchy?

That wasn't led by the Maoists, and it ended when the seven-party alliance called it off.

umm yes it was. Even the bourgious media admitted that. The mass rallies and actions as well as organization the Maoists had engaged in, and the people's war being fought over the past 10 years were central to bringing down the monarchy. To claim otherwise is ludicrous


I notice you dodged my Abu Ghraib point.

because its upsurd and sick that you would even make that comparison.