Dumb culture

[colorlessman]

How did being intelligent become uncool?

It is everywhere, TV, radio, paper, everyday talk, everyday actions, and the Internet.

If you ever watched Idiocracy, I think we live in idiot state right now.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 08:21 pm
How did being intelligent become uncool?
Go to France. They treat their intelligentsia like rock stars.

[greymatter]

Brains don't sell, sex does.

[Che Guevara 1415]

It's much easier to control a population that is obsessed with things like sex , American Idol , and other materialistic form of entertainment . Thus , it's propagated by the media as "cool" . It's rather ironic that capitalists accuse us of being non-spiritual , materialistic since in a way , we're more spiritual than them . I watched many movies from socialist countries , and they portrayed good values and ethics , much closer to being spiritual and non-materialistic than these materialistic "pop culture" stuff one sees on t.v ....

[RevMARKSman]

It's much easier to control a population that is obsessed with things like sex , American Idol , and other materialistic form of entertainment . Thus , it's propagated by the media as "cool" .
OH NOES MATERIALISM!![email protected]!~!~!1~`111~1!!!~!!!one111

It's rather ironic that capitalists accuse us of being non-spiritual , materialistic

No, it's not. The bourgeois (capitalists) are exactly as materialistic as us. The religious nuts (misplaced feudalists) are less materialistic than us.


since in a way , we're more spiritual than them .

What kind of leftist are you?


I watched many movies from socialist countries

Here's the answer: Probably some sort of romantic "everyone share 'cause it's good" idiot who thinks the USSR, PRC and Vietnam were "socialist."


and they portrayed good values and ethics , much closer to being spiritual and non-materialistic

This, my friend, is an indicator of WHY these countries did not turn communist. They were in late feudalism (usually characterized by monarchies and a serious emphasis on morals and "values") before their revolutions/elections, and feudalism ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS transitions to capitalism. That's the way historical materialism works.


than these materialistic "pop culture" stuff one sees on t.v ....
Go back to your monastery.

[Whitten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 08:29 pm
This, my friend, is an indicator of WHY these countries did not turn communist. They were in late feudalism (usually characterized by monarchies and a serious emphasis on morals and "values") before their revolutions/elections, and feudalism ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS transitions to capitalism. That's the way historical materialism works.
If you believe such as unbending interpretation of Historical Matrerialism, why are you an anarchist?

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by Whitten+March 19, 2007 03:36 pm--> (Whitten @ March 19, 2007 03:36 pm)
[email protected] 19, 2007 08:29 pm
This, my friend, is an indicator of WHY these countries did not turn communist. They were in late feudalism (usually characterized by monarchies and a serious emphasis on morals and "values") before their revolutions/elections, and feudalism ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS transitions to capitalism. That's the way historical materialism works.
If you believe such as unbending interpretation of Historical Matrerialism, why are you an anarchist? [/b]
Because I also think that even in capitalism, a vanguard party would not exist in a proletarian revolution. You can try to create a vanguard party, but nobody will care...they will be able to organize themselves without a party. Plus, I don't want a state acting in a socialist/communist society, because eventually it could act in direct opposition to my material interest.

[Che Guevara 1415]

<span style='color:blue'>What monanstery are you talking about ? I&#39;m a total atheist . I meant it as in that we are 100% spiritual since we&#39;re usually atheists . They worship money , so that is negative spirituality . And if you&#39;re gonna call me an idiot for my view on the U.S.S.R , I&#39;m gonna call you an idiot for supporting anarchy . Do you know what would happen if anarchy , absence of civic order would happen ? People could murder , rape , without getting any punishment , since no law would be to arrest them . The U.S.S.R , the PRC , and Vietnam were socialist , people had socialist benefits , and were enemies of capitalism .</span> What kind of a leftist am I ? One who supports all leftist , anti-capitalist movements , besides anarchy .

[Che Guevara 1415]

Just because a country&#39;s media doesnt portray , pornography , promiscious sex , drugs , as "cool" its a bad thing ? WTF .

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by Che Guevara [email protected] 19, 2007 05:03 pm
Just because a country&#39;s media doesnt portray , pornography , promiscious sex , drugs , as "cool" its a bad thing ? WTF .
What exactly is wrong with pornography, casual sex, and drug indulgence?
:huh:

[Che Guevara 1415]

Look at people who are addicted to drugs and pornography . Besides those factors , they are also the opium of the masses . When there were hardly any drugs , in the former socialist countries , HIV and crime were very rare . Now they are rampant . Pornography also destroys a society&#39;s culture and creates a culture of filth and degeneration

[RevMARKSman]

You really do belong in 1415.


Pornography also destroys a society&#39;s culture and creates a culture of filth and degeneration
HOW DARE PEOPEL HAVE SEX&#33;&#33;&#96;~~&#33;&#33;111&#96;~

I really wish redstar was here but I&#39;ll quote him anyway.


Has anyone besides myself noticed the recent explosion of neo-puritanism on this board?

Suddenly it&#39;s 1915 at RevLeft&#33;

All sorts of people are "busting out" with views that I thought revolutionaries had left behind "in the west" many decades ago.

We&#39;ve got people pissing and moaning about wide-spread "sexual degeneracy". We&#39;ve got people who not only support the "war on drugs" but who also want to extend it to alcohol and tobacco.

In 1915, this sort of shit was openly religious in inspiration. It was a "war on sin".

Now the motives for all this crap are "nominally secular". We have to "protect people&#39;s health" and keep them from being "weakened" by sexual or chemical pleasure...then they&#39;ll presumably "concentrate on revolution".

True, some of those "arguments" were also used in 1915...back then, for example, medical authorities assured the public that "the sin of Onan" (masturbation) led to insanity.

Religion having lost most of its intellectual respectability, we now face a flood of "scientific" evidence that all forms of sensual pleasure are incredibly dangerous and will kill us all unless, of course, we "repent and sin no more".

And the "political spin" is that we "can&#39;t" fight for revolution and still "have a good time"...we must become "revolutionary monks & nuns".

This is such a bizarre line of argument that one can only be amazed at its monumental effrontery.

And its elitist implications...that only the "virtuous few" are "fit" for revolution. The vast majority of "sinners" must be "taken in hand" and made to behave properly "for their own good".

The capitalist class has always had "mixed feelings" about the pleasures of the working class. They liked making money from them but they were displeased by the prospects of pleasure interfering with productive labor.

So the "signals" in capitalist society are "mixed"...we have "legal drugs" and "illegal drugs"; "permitted sex" and "prohibited sex". And the signals change from time to time.

Over the last half century, the signals have changed in a somewhat more "permissive" direction in the "west".

But in the U.S., that trend is being reversed under the ideological influence of Christian fascism...as well as sociological "research" designed to "prove" that "promiscuity is bad for you".

As are tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, opiates, cocaine, meth, and ecstasy...all "bad juju". *laughs*

It would appear that the American ruling class is "switching over" to a "model" for the working class that emphasizes "de-personalized" pleasure. Porn instead of sex. Watching people use drugs instead of actually enjoying drugs...and feeling "morally superior" while doing so.

One would predict that there will be "food porn"...movies of people eating elaborate "unhealthy" meals which we can watch while chewing on our rabbitarian munchies and feeling smugly superior to those gustatory "degenerates". *laughs*

What&#39;s most difficult for me to understand is why people who think of themselves as revolutionaries would allow themselves to get sucked into this crap.

Do they "just believe" all the witch-doctorery about "harmful pleasures"? Have they picked up somewhere the idea that sensual pleasures are "counter-revolutionary"? Do some of them just look forward to the idea of deciding what is to be permitted and what is to be prohibited for the masses?

As I&#39;ve mentioned before, this is really a Platonic idea. The purpose of "good government" is to "make people virtuous".

Properly speaking, Plato was the philosophical "father of fascism"...and it was 20th century fascism in all its varieties that most strenuously attempted to make people "live virtuous lives" whether they wanted to or not.

"Degenerate behavior" was actually a crime in the Third Reich.

It seems to me necessary for communist revolutionaries to reject this whole outlook on human behavior. The human quest for pleasure is neither "morally reprehensible" or "physically deadly". There are some risks involved...but living itself is inherently "risky" and we&#39;ll all die from something.

Our approach should be to search for cures for illnesses that may be a consequence of indulgence in particular pleasures...and not seek to demonize those pleasures in a vain effort to "save people from themselves".

I know that there are more than a few people on this board who will find this "scandalous"...but communism will be fun&#33;

Far more pleasurable than the empty promises of capitalism.

...

Yes, that&#39;s what it leads to...in fact, any form of personal pleasure can be attacked for being "counter-revolutionary". What "right" do you have to any personal pleasure when the time and resources spent on it could have been spent on revolutionary activity?

The money you spent on cigarettes could have been spent on propaganda instead. The time you spent going to the store and buying them could have been spent distributing that propaganda.

And so on&#33;

The "self-harm" argument is objectively weak; you are most unlikely to suffer any significant harm from smoking tobacco in your 20s and 30s...which are your "active years" as a revolutionary. If smoking damages your health, it will happen in your 60s and 70s -- you&#39;ll die some 6 to 10 years earlier than a non-smoker (on the average).

The "left" neo-puritans have embraced what I call the "Aztec Theory of Revolutionary Commitment" -- you drape yourself over the Altar of History and cut your own heart out&#33;


ok next...

They worship money , so that is negative spirituality .

They believe money has magical powers and causes all of physical reality? They bow before money and pray to it? WTF?


And if you&#39;re gonna call me an idiot for my view on the U.S.S.R , I&#39;m gonna call you an idiot for supporting anarchy . Do you know what would happen if anarchy , absence of civic order would happen ? People could murder , rape , without getting any punishment , since no law would be to arrest them .

Wow, anti-materialism again. Abstract things such as the "law" don&#39;t get rid of violent criminals, guns do. And that&#39;s what I&#39;m proposing. Everyone can protect themselves, and if someone is murdered, we go out and kill the murderer&#33;


The U.S.S.R , the PRC , and Vietnam were socialist , people had socialist benefits , and were enemies of capitalism .

What about the whole "stateless classless society" thing? What about the whole "STATE FUCKING WITHERS AWAY" thing? What about the "no puritanical moralistic feudalistic superstitious CRAP" thing?


Look at people who are addicted to drugs and pornography .

Drugs are fun. Porn is fun for people who can&#39;t get laid. It only ruins people&#39;s lives because of economic pressure to work 24/7.


Besides those factors , they are also the opium of the masses .

By your logic, food is also "the opium of the masses."


When there were hardly any drugs , in the former socialist countries , HIV and crime were very rare .

Yeah, and the opium addicts in PRC suffered. I&#39;d also like some statistics of population growth rate for all these countries AND HIV growth rate statistics.

[Che Guevara 1415]

Drugs are fun ? What is so fun about being addicted to a substance that kills you brain cells . Look at the scientific evidence with drugs and the brain . How can you support something like drugs ? That is just disgusting . What is so much fun about them ? Drugs are one of the lowest things in the society and will always be . no matter what . I am amazed that someone could call drugs "fun" .

[MrDoom]

We have all the &#39;dumb culture&#39; we can ever hope for right here in this thread. :lol:

[RevMARKSman]

Drugs are fun ? What is so fun about being addicted to a substance that kills you brain cells .

1. Not all drug users are addicts. In fact, most of them aren&#39;t.
2. Not all drugs kill brain cells.
3. Regardless, the effects include happy sensations and if you deny being happy is "fun" you have some serious problems.


Look at the scientific evidence with drugs and the brain . How can you support something like drugs ? That is just disgusting .

What&#39;s it to you if some random guy kills 100 brain cells while doing marijuana on the weekends, especially if it makes him less tired and ends up happier afterwards?
You have 10 billion cells in your brain...what difference will a few make, especially if it&#39;s for human pleasure? What&#39;s the good of even having a brain if you&#39;re bored all the time?


Drugs are one of the lowest things in the society and will always be . no matter what .

Prove it. And define "lowest". Justify your argument, fucker.


I am amazed that someone could call drugs "fun" .

You learn something new every day.

[The Grey Blur]

"Dumb" culture is promoted as it is just another form of opium along the lines of religion. It keeps people brainwashed and stupified.

1415: Drugs are a personal choice amongst revolutionaries. In regards to a Socialist society we would decriminalise drug use and try to help those addicted to more harmful drugs.

Rev: Isn&#39;t Redstar now in hospital due to a smoking related illness?

[( R )evolution]

I like drugs :) I began smoking bud around 3 years ago when I was 14 and I have become smarter and more relaxed since then. Tell me drugs are bad? Who are you to say such things. You are a fool to think such things, maybe you should try some weed and come back and tell me how you like it.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 19, 2007 06:01 pm
Rev: Isn&#39;t Redstar now in hospital due to a smoking related illness?
Actually it was a stroke facilitated by the combination of smoking and not watching his blood pressure (which was high).

[Janus]

It is everywhere, TV, radio, paper, everyday talk, everyday actions, and the Internet.
There are still some good shows on but most intelligent debate/discussion can only be found in print these days. Television is mainly only good for the pixel bits and thus has been more geared towards the youth culture and market advertising.

[Raúl Duke]

Interesting...however maybe being "unitelligent" became cool because of the media (in the sense of both news and commercialized culture and values) and also to the deliberate failures of our educational system.

hmm...can&#39;t believe its 1915 in revleft again.....talking about that I wonder how RS2K is.