Work, damn you!

[Pirate Utopian]

i got into a discussion the other day with some kid from my class, who said that "Communism only works in theory, because how are people going to work if they'll get money anyway?"

i would appreciate all the help i get for a reply

[Ander]

Tell him to pick up a book.

Money is not present in a communist society. Also, tell him that it is not possible to look at communism with a capitalist viewpoint. In capitalism, the incentive to work, produce, invent, etc. is money. In communism, the incentive is to benefit yourself and the community. The two ideas don't cross into one another for a reason.

[Whitten]

Perhaps you should solidify your own understand before trying to convince others in debate.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

I suppose he's getting at the old "what happens if you don't work but can" chestnut. The answer is that you'd receive the bare essentials or nothing at all, depending on your view.

[BreadBros]

BM, check out this article from RS2K: The High School Commie's Guide (http://rs2k.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1089418722&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&)

[Entrails Konfetti]

Punch his fucking head in, hes probably one of those well to do over-achiever know it all shits!

I have one of those dual enrolment kids in one of my class, hes such a brainiac that it looks like jis skull has expanded, and so his facial figures look deformed.

[( R )evolution]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 15, 2007 08:29 pm
i got into a discussion the other day with some kid from my class, who said that "Communism only works in theory, because how are people going to work if they'll get money anyway?"

i would appreciate all the help i get for a reply
Either A, Punch him in the face or B Explain some communist theory to him... than punch him in the face. lol j/k

Here is a answer. As the other comrade stated, You can not compare communism from a capitalistic viewpoint. Shit changes over systems. In communism there will be no money. In capitalism, the driving force is to gather money but in communism it is to better the community. If he tries to get around to the human nature argument against communism strike him back with explaining how in a capitalist society, you always have the risk of economic faluire and if this happens in a capitalist society you are pretty fucked so naturally you are going to try to gather everything (greed) so you can be secure against future economic falls. But in communism you are always protect against economic falls because you have the community supporting you so why would you need to gather more and more if you will always have enough to be fit. Everything clicks. Just keep on reading the forums and also read RS2K High School Commie guide. It has alot of good arguments in there. But also don't forget to keep on reading some of the communist classics.

Edit: I have really bad grammar sometimes.

[Pirate Utopian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 10:47 pm
Perhaps you should solidify your own understand before trying to convince others in debate.
i didnt start the debate, he did

[Ander]

If he tries some kind of "human nature" approach, tell him that human nature, if it exists, is not truly understood by anyone and is still an extremely debated subject.

Greed is not natural to humans, it is a product of capitalism. If he wants proof, illustrate this to him by showing him the difference between early societies where most things were shared in common by everyone and now, where it's basically a free for all.

[Janus]

Any questions or points that he's likely to make have been covered in this thread.

High school commie's guide (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=25500)

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 16, 2007 12:01 am
Punch his fucking head in, hes probably one of those well to do over-achiever know it all shits!

I have one of those dual enrolment kids in one of my class, hes such a brainiac that it looks like jis skull has expanded, and so his facial figures look deformed.
Don't hate on smart people, asshat.


Greed is not natural to humans, it is a product of capitalism. If he wants proof, illustrate this to him by showing him the difference between early societies where most things were shared in common by everyone and now, where it's basically a free for all.

Well, the reason people worked together in the first place is that they knew everyone would get more stuff if they did. More would get done if they worked together and coordinated. So you are half right. "Greed" (material interest) has been present in all humans in the past and present, but people did work together before (if not for the reasons you outline i.e. "lack of greed").

[Ander]

I disagree. By getting more done, they were not "getting more stuff." They were benefitting their community and by doing that, benefitting themselves. In many tribal societies, very little, if anything, was privately owned and possessions were shared amongst the members of these communities.

There is a difference between greed and material interest. Everyone likes nice things, but greed is wanting more than you need and acquiring these things by any means.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 02:14 pm
I disagree. By getting more done, they were not "getting more stuff." They were benefitting their community and by doing that, benefitting themselves. In many tribal societies, very little, if anything, was privately owned and possessions were shared amongst the members of these communities.

There is a difference between greed and material interest. Everyone likes nice things, but greed is wanting more than you need and acquiring these things by any means.
So you are using a different definition of "Greed" than I was always taught. Never mind then.