Indian Maoists kill 50 policemen in massive attack

[Spirit of Spartacus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6452759.stm



Maoist rebels have attacked a security post in central India, killing 50 police officers, police say.

The clashes happened in the rebel stronghold area of Dantewada, in Chhattisgarh state.

The Maoists, who have fought a 30-year insurgency, say they are fighting for the rights of landless farmers and neglected tribes.

Thousands of people have died in their campaigns in states in central and southern India.

Co-ordinated assault

The rebels attacked the security post - manned by 75 policemen - in Bijapur just before dawn on Thursday.

Under cover of darkness, they surrounded it.

The BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Delhi says that the insurgents opened fire in a co-ordinated assault, throwing hand grenades and home-made petrol bombs into the compound before storming it.

They seized a hoard of weapons from the post, 1,500km south of Delhi, then escaped into the jungle.

It is thought dozens of Indian policemen and soldiers were based at the post, along with many local militiamen.

The first security forces to arrive after the attack reported a large number of bodies scattered around the barracks but said they were unable to count them all because the rebels had planted land mines at the scene.

Chhattisgarh's police chief said that 12 security force members were injured and at least five rebels were killed.




Bhagat Singh Shaheed, Zindabad!

Naxalbari Lal Salaam!

Inquilab Zindabad!

[Red October]

NICE!

[RedStarOverChina]

They seized a hoard of weapons from the post, 1,500km south of Delhi, then escaped into the jungle.

Ahhh good stuff.

[sexyguy]

Your struggle is watched closely by revolutionaries everywhere and is an inspiration to us in our struggle for better revolutionary theory.

Down with the landlords and their goons!

[MarxistFuture]

That is an excellent attack, very successful, I'm sure they gained more arms than they fired, and killed 50 tools of the State as well.

[Goatse]

pwned

[Tekun]

How close are these Indian Maoists to their rebel counterparts in Nepal?
Are they in contact, or share ideaologies?
Unlike the reformist CPI, the Maoists like FARC have slowly been gaining ground on the Indian government, and influencing ppl throughout the countryside

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 04:25 pm
How close are these Indian Maoists to their rebel counterparts in Nepal?
Are they in contact, or share ideaologies?
Unlike the reformist CPI, the Maoists like FARC have slowly been gaining ground on the Indian government, and influencing ppl throughout the countryside

How close are these Indian Maoists to their rebel counterparts in Nepal?

No much except in ideology's.


Are they in contact, or share ideaologies?

No much but definitely are in contact. CPI(Maoist) has actually sriticised their Nepali counter parts regading the recent decision to join the bourgeoisie govt.


Unlike the reformist CPI
That is an Massive undertstatement . They(both CPI and CPI(M)) are Traitors to workers and peasants.They have abandoned the class struggle as early as 1930.They are clearly on the other side of the class struggle. (http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/15/stories/2007031506450100.htm)



the Maoists like FARC have slowly been gaining ground on the Indian government, and influencing ppl throughout the countryside

I really don't know exactly about FARC but you have just over estimated the strength of Naxalites. They have presence only in 3 states - a part of Telengana district and its surrounding regions in Andhra Pradesh,Jungles of Chattisgarh where this particular incident had happened and country side Jharkand where they have recently murderd an MP. Other than that some moderate Maoists like Kanu Sanyal have abandoned the people's war strategy(a wise decision IMO) and started working toward building Mass Movement by participating in elections and Trade Union Activities in Delhi and West Bengal. These areas except West Bengal are mostly very back ward areas.

They are virtually non existent in South,Western and Northern and Eastern States.

And those who still wage this people's war are in no way connected to every day struggles of Indian workers and Peasants.They can't win this people's war.All they can do is just kill police officers and conduct dacoitry in the areas they control.

A revoltuion cannot be led by some people who are hiding in jungles.

[bezdomni]

No much except in ideology's.
How the fuck do you know that?


No much but definitely are in contact. CPI(Maoist) has actually sriticised their Nepali counter parts regading the recent decision to join the bourgeoisie govt.
The CPN(M) is being very secretive with their actions in the interim government...However, the PLA of Nepal recently grew in size by several thousand.

The revolutionary fervor has not died in Nepal, and I think the CPI criticisms came before the reported increase in PLA members.

Plus, simply criticizing another party does not mean you've completely split with it. Criticism and self-criticism are integral parts to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.


A revoltuion cannot be led by some people who are hiding in jungles.

Good thing the CPI(M) has a huge presence all over India.

[Vargha Poralli]

Good thing the CPI(M) has a huge presence all over India.


CPI(M) - Communist Party of India(Marxist) (http://www.cpim.org/) is different from Communist Party of India(Maoist) (http://indianmaoist.blogspot.com/). The latter is just called Naxalites.

CPI(M) has a presence all ovber India and the Naxalites call it revisionist sincce it took Soviet side in Sino-Soviet split. I had been a member in it student wing SFI. It is elected to rule the state governments in 2 states Kerala and West Bengal.They have given up both Marxism and Leninism in late 70's and take DengXioPing and PRC as their role models.

I stand by the statement made earlier by me. Naxalites(who are in to peoples war) don't have a presence all over India. They have presence in jungles of 3 states. All they can do is to kill Policemen and Kidnap and kill MLAs and MPs but certainly they can't lead a revolution in India.

[Janus]

They seized a hoard of weapons from the post, 1,500km south of Delhi, then escaped into the jungle.
Like g.ram has stated, the Maoists definitely don't have much of a following particularly in the more industrialized areas. These attacks are mainly symbolic victories and thus can't help to save the Maoists in the end. If the state doesn't crush them, the changing socio-political conditions in India will make them insignificant.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

actually the naxalites control at least a 1/4th of India; a large chunk of western India. A naxalite writer made a post here about the situation a little while back. Also, this is a basic stage of people's war.

[Janus]

actually the naxalites control at least a 1/4th of India; a large chunk of western India.
There's a big difference between being active in and actually controlling territory. The essential nature of the fighting favors mobile and guerrilla warfare.

[Cryotank Screams]

:banner: Very good news!

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+March 20, 2007 07:13 am--> (LeftyHenry @ March 20, 2007 07:13 am) actually the naxalites control at least a 1/4th of India; a large chunk of western India. A naxalite writer made a post here about the situation a little while back. Also, this is a basic stage of people's war. [/b]

actually the naxalites control at least a 1/4th of India

Wrong. The total area under their control is less than 1/10th .


a large chunk of western India.

Another lie. The states of western India are Maharashtra,Gujrat and Rajasthan. Maharashtra is haevily industrialised and Gujrat and Rajastan's population are 80% reactionary(they share their border with Pakistan). Culturally those people live in 16th century. BJP holds power there and Sangh parivar has a lot of influence there. Not even CPI(M) and CPI don't have significant presence in these states.

Naxal power is based in 3 states I have mentioned in a previous post.


Also, this is a basic stage of people's war.

They had hell a lot of following and power in lates 60's to early 80's. Reforms by bourgeoisie's , infighting among themselves have significantly reduced their power.


Janus
Like g.ram has stated, the Maoists definitely don't have much of a following particularly in the more industrialized areas

That is not fully correct. Some groups have abandoned people's war in 80's itself and took part in elections and trade union activities but they couldn't make a siginificant impact because of CPI(M) and CITU's massive strength. But things are now changing (http://anonym.to/?http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/15/stories/2007031506450100.htm)and people like Kanu Snayal are doing a good work in building a mass movement. We should wat and see how much successful they could be in that task.

[Janus]

But things are now changingand people like Kanu Snayal are doing a good work in building a mass movement. We should wat and see how much successful they could be in that task.
As far as I can tell, Kanu Sayal is the general secretary of the CPI (ML). I've yet to hear of the Maoists focusing on building a worker's movement nor does their ideology necessitate it.

[Vargha Poralli]

As far as I can tell, Kanu Sayal is the general secretary of the CPI (ML). I've yet to hear of the Maoists focusing on building a worker's movement nor does their ideology necessitate it.

Kanu Sanyal is the general seceratary for CPI(ML)(Kanu Sanyal) with his own name in the bracket. He started the party after merges with various splinter groups. It is too early to judge any outcome from him.

I agree with you India is fairly advanced both in urban and rural lifestyle for Maoism to dominate. Also suspicion of Chinese after 1962 war and support for Pakistan by China and Maoists in 1971 Bangaladesh Liberation Conflict and Chinese occupation of a part of Kashmir(Aksai Chin) put Maoists at a difficult position among Indian workers.

[CodeAires]

Good luck. With over a billion people, they're going to need it.

[A.J.]

Kudos to the Indian Maoists! :) :hammer:

[Farrellesque]

Nothing like celebrating the death of fifty people who were just doing their job.....

Pathetic.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by g.ram+March 16, 2007 11:40 am--> (g.ram @ March 16, 2007 11:40 am)
[email protected] 16, 2007 04:25 pm
How close are these Indian Maoists to their rebel counterparts in Nepal?
Are they in contact, or share ideaologies?
Unlike the reformist CPI, the Maoists like FARC have slowly been gaining ground on the Indian government, and influencing ppl throughout the countryside

How close are these Indian Maoists to their rebel counterparts in Nepal?

No much except in ideology's.


Are they in contact, or share ideaologies?

No much but definitely are in contact. CPI(Maoist) has actually sriticised their Nepali counter parts regading the recent decision to join the bourgeoisie govt.


Unlike the reformist CPI
That is an Massive undertstatement . They(both CPI and CPI(M)) are Traitors to workers and peasants.They have abandoned the class struggle as early as 1930.They are clearly on the other side of the class struggle. (http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/15/stories/2007031506450100.htm)



the Maoists like FARC have slowly been gaining ground on the Indian government, and influencing ppl throughout the countryside

I really don't know exactly about FARC but you have just over estimated the strength of Naxalites. They have presence only in 3 states - a part of Telengana district and its surrounding regions in Andhra Pradesh,Jungles of Chattisgarh where this particular incident had happened and country side Jharkand where they have recently murderd an MP. Other than that some moderate Maoists like Kanu Sanyal have abandoned the people's war strategy(a wise decision IMO) and started working toward building Mass Movement by participating in elections and Trade Union Activities in Delhi and West Bengal. These areas except West Bengal are mostly very back ward areas.

They are virtually non existent in South,Western and Northern and Eastern States.

And those who still wage this people's war are in no way connected to every day struggles of Indian workers and Peasants.They can't win this people's war.All they can do is just kill police officers and conduct dacoitry in the areas they control.

A revoltuion cannot be led by some people who are hiding in jungles. [/b]
Actually on the contrary, They control pretty large parts of eastern India and are active in many other regions, of course, to varying degrees. The CPN-M and the Naxalites have co-operated together. For example, according to Prachanda in one interview, they hold a summit or congress every few years to discuss aid for one another's revolution and position.

This is where the term the "Red Corridor" comes from. The CPN-M and Naxalites are working together to close the gap between liberated areas in Nepal and the liberated areas in India.


I've yet to hear of the Maoists focusing on building a worker's movement nor does their ideology necessitate it.

The masses of India are rural proletariat and peasantry classes, thus the naxalites naturally start building up from their. Once they gain enough support, they spread from the rural proletariat to the urban proletariat in terms of support and then seize power. The CPN-M up until the ceasefire had little innercity support however, now that they have access to the cities they have seen a spike in membership and their strikes have fully observed.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 02:44 am

actually the naxalites control at least a 1/4th of India; a large chunk of western India.
There's a big difference between being active in and actually controlling territory. The essential nature of the fighting favors mobile and guerrilla warfare.
they are active in most of India, they control about a 1/4. There was a Naxalite writer who posted once on this board and summed up the situation. I'll search for the thread.

[Ezekiel]

actually the naxalites control at least a 1/4th of India; a large chunk of western India.

the completely controlled area is pobably closer to 1/5 or 1/6, but they do operate in more than 1/4 of India. The Red Corridor is not 'done yet,' but it's being built.

[RNK]

The CPN-M up until the ceasefire had little innercity support however,

Not true, actually, the Maoists in Nepal have always had the support of vast numbers of Nepal's urban proletariat -- they wouldn't have been able to call for so many mass strikes throughout the conflict if they didn't. Protests in the cities routinely fly under the banner of the CPN(M), even long before the cease-fire.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Ah here is the link. Ezekial is more right than I was.

http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=60479&hl=

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:55 pm
Another maoist group. :rolleyes:
what is that supposed to mean? You don't support the revolution?

[Ezekiel]

Another maoist group. you seem upset.

[Vargha Poralli]

Actually on the contrary, They control pretty large parts of eastern India and are active in many other regions, of course, to varying degrees.

When I gave facts about western India you have changed to east. In fact Naxals are neither present in east or in west. They hold some power in central provinces and are well sorrounded. They are so much encamped within the places they control they have no presence outside them. They too can't fund their adventure to get too long India state is too strong for them.


This is where the term the "Red Corridor" comes from. The CPN-M and Naxalites are working together to close the gap between liberated areas in Nepal and the liberated areas in India.


There are none here. Naxals strength lies in Jungles where no people live.



The masses of India are rural proletariat and peasantry classes,

It is true in 1979'-1980' not anymore.


thus the naxalites naturally start building up from their.

They bulit but failed in it.


Once they gain enough support, they spread from the rural proletariat to the urban proletariat in terms of support and then seize power.

They have captured Tigers tail when they took up the people's war strategy. They gained enough strength when the AP state government unbanned them and tried to hold talks with them.They cant leave it as easily as they wish but at the same time they cant win the situation with it.


they are active in most of India, they control about a 1/4. There was a Naxalite writer who posted once on this board and summed up the situation. I'll search for the thread.

I think this is it. (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=60479&hl=) And the facts are exaggerated in that much.

[Leo]

what is that supposed to mean? You don't support the revolution?

This is no revolution.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

When I gave facts about western India you have changed to east. In fact Naxals are neither present in east or in west. They hold some power in central provinces and are well sorrounded. They are so much encamped within the places they control they have no presence outside them. They too can't fund their adventure to get too long India state is too strong for them.

Sorry that was a mistake. It is actually eastern. that map in the link to the thread you and I provided shows that.


There are none here. Naxals strength lies in Jungles where no people live.

Really? Andhra Pradesh, which even you admit is the base of the naxalites is the largest state in southern India according to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh


It is true in 1979'-1980' not anymore.


With an estimated population of 1.1 billion, India is the world's second most populous country.[19] Almost 70% of Indians reside in rural areas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Demographics

[sexyguy]

Victory to the Naxalites. End the slavery over the presents. End the debt to the landlords and kill their goons. And teach the Western ‘lefts’ about fighting imperialism.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

you seem upset.

To a certain degree, yes.

I am for a workers revolution, not an uprising that will lead to the dictatorship of professional party members which will then turn into a modern capitalist class.

Marxists want a proletarian revolution, not some welfare state under a charismatic, benevolent ruler.

[Ezekiel]

I see. Well, sorry. Maybe you should encourage the anarchists in India to get more active, or else the country may end up that way.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 12:52 pm

you seem upset.

To a certain degree, yes.

I am for a workers revolution, not an uprising that will lead to the dictatorship of professional party members which will then turn into a modern capitalist class.

Marxists want a proletarian revolution, not some welfare state under a charismatic, benevolent ruler.
that's funny, that's exactly what the naxalites want. A People's revolution to replace capitalism.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

That's what they all (Stalin, Mao, Hoxha etc.) "said" they wanted. Hitler claimed, and Blair claims he is a socialist. Words are not of great importance.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

that's pretty disgusting that you would compare Mao, Stalin, and Hoxha to Hilter and Blair considering that they devoted their lives to combating fascism.

Could you please chill with the rhetoric? Let's have a well drawn out debate not a "Stalin killed people" whinefest

[Vargha Poralli]

Really? Andhra Pradesh, which even you admit is the base of the naxalites is the largest state in southern India according to wikipedia

I live in the state which is neighbour to AP. The Naxal presence is in its northern part Telengana which is basically borders Central Provinces which comprise Chattisgargh and Southern Jharkhand where naxalites control some Areas.

Even in Telengana they don't have presence in cities. I have workerd in Hyderabad capital of AP which is also in Telengana region.

And you have taken wikipedia out of context. Outside these regions which a small part of India Naxals don't have single representation.That is mainly because of the people's war strategy.They can't leave that strategy and unfortunately they can't win with it.

Speaking of Villages even CPI and CPI(M) don't have much strength. The countryside politics at present(from early 90's to till date) is dominated by caste and caste-based vote bank politics unfortunately.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

that's pretty disgusting that you would compare Mao, Stalin, and Hoxha to Hilter and Blair

No one did.

The only similiarity is that they all claimed to be "socialists".