Socialism->Communism

[RNK]

Would it be possible for a socialist country, after having undergone a worker's democratic revolution, to make a successful transition to communism should capitalism still exist, in force, in the world? Would a communist society be able to defend itself against the unavoidable assaults of capitalism if it dissolves its state infastructure, and with it the ability of the vanguard party to defend the people?

I'm thinking back on the experiences of the Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and other revolutions and movements; particularly on the question of whether or not their transition to communism would even be feasible given the power of the United States and it's capitalist hegemony.

[Vargha Poralli]

Would it be possible for a socialist country, after having undergone a worker's democratic revolution, to make a successful transition to communism should capitalism still exist, in force, in the world?

Capitalism is a class society. Communism is a Classless society. They cannot co-exist.That is why Lenin said either the revolution should spread or the Capitalists would bury Soviet Union.


Would a communist society be able to defend itself against the unavoidable assaults of capitalism if it dissolves its state infastructure, and with it the ability of the vanguard party to defend the people?

History had proved it can. Regardless what the revisionist Historians says the Wehrmacht faced the toughest resistance from Red Army. The eventual disaster for Nazis struck despite disastrous tactical blunders of Stalin and early Stavka is because of the workers heroic effort to defend the gains made by October Revolution.


particularly on the question of whether or not their transition to communism would even be feasible given the power of the United States and it's capitalist hegemony.

The transition would only be feasible after capitalism has collapsed in all countries. Capitalism and Communism are antithetical to each other and cannot co-exist.

[RNK]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 05:55 am

Would a communist society be able to defend itself against the unavoidable assaults of capitalism if it dissolves its state infastructure, and with it the ability of the vanguard party to defend the people?

History had proved it can. Regardless what the revisionist Historians says the Wehrmacht faced the toughest resistance from Red Army. The eventual disaster for Nazis struck despite disastrous tactical blunders of Stalin and early Stavka is because of the workers heroic effort to defend the gains made by October Revolution.
Yes, but the point I'm making is that the USSR did not dissolve its state infastructure and did not dissolve the vanguard party... My question was, if the USSR had dissolved its central authority and made the transition to Communism, would it have been able to successfully defend itself against the Nazi's invasion?


The transition would only be feasible after capitalism has collapsed in all countries. Capitalism and Communism are antithetical to each other and cannot co-exist.

I agree with this. I find it confusing that there is so much criticism against socialist states which did not transition to communism when it seems it'd be impossible to do so until capitalism is eradicated. I'd like others thoughts on this, though!

[Ol' Dirty]

Would it be possible for a socialist country, after having undergone a worker's democratic revolution, to make a successful transition to communism should capitalism still exist, in force, in the world? Would a communist society be able to defend itself against the unavoidable assaults of capitalism if it dissolves its state infastructure, and with it the ability of the vanguard party to defend the people?

Would it? I don't know? It depends on the context? Your question is too vageu. Answer hazy. Try again later.

[Whitten]

Maybe if an incredably unlikely set of corcumstances where to come into being, then the communist society could survice and the capitalists would lose. However it would be a fluke and nothing more. Marxists dont deal with ideal situations, thats how we;re differemt from anarchists.

[Janus]

and with it the ability of the vanguard party to defend the people?
It's wrong to assume that the people will become helpless in a communist society like blind sheep or something. They can still organize, train, and defend themselves through people's militias.


My question was, if the USSR had dissolved its central authority and made the transition to Communism, would it have been able to successfully defend itself against the Nazi's invasion?
That's a pretty big if. I'm not going to conjecture on "what if's" in history but should a communist society be established while capitalism still existed in the future, I would say that it would have a good chance of defending itself from a capitalist attack with the proper technological arms (nuclear deterent) and training.

[( R )evolution]

I think this is a very valid question. If the US is still a power in the world when socialist revolutions would occur in lets say Asia. I think it might be some time but I think a revolution in Asia or Latin America would led to an economic downfall in the US which would then eventual led to worker discontent which would then in turn allow for the rising of class concisous and then the eventual revolution in the west. This is a very simplified way I believe things will happen if a revolution occurred outside of the west. The western capitalist economies can not surivue without the exploitation of workers and the stealing of raw materials, once we take these things from the capitalist than the revolution will spread to those countries themselves.