If we didn't work...

[R_P_A_S]

if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?

[chitown_brotha]

thats a good question,,i think they would put the low profit kapitalists to work...

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:19 pm
if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?
I got this question from an other question. this man asked "what would workers live of then if we didn't give them work?"

[chitown_brotha]

aah create work ourselfs..

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:44 pm
aah create work ourselfs..
yeah so i though of this later. my counter question

[Zero]

What if we didn't work?

A Capitalist would make it a holiday, and sick the quasi-unions on us.

If that didn't work they would pull a Hampton.

[RebelDog]

We have two classes, the workers and the capitalists. We imagine the following senarios: The workers for some reason stop working and never return to work, outcome, both classes die. The capitalists do no work but the workers carry on working, outcome, both classes survive as usual. The later senario describes the present reality.

[colonelguppy]

someone else

[Fawkes]

If we didn't work, capitalism would die out. The bosses would have nobody to work for them so they may try to "import" people from other countries to work for them. If those people also refused to work, capitalism would just die out because there would be nobody to drive it because it's the worker that drives a company, not the boss.

[RebelDog]

I think the situation is best analogised in the following. Think of a sheep with a tick hanging off it. If the sheep dies the parasite dies. If the parasite dies the sheep is better off.

[colonelguppy]

its nto a parasite situation, it's mutual dependence.

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 09:32 pm
its nto a parasite situation, it's mutual dependence.
It is a mutual dependance in terms of the survival of capitalist society/bourgeoise and nothing else. These two opposites must 'interpenetrate' for the survival of capitalism and the bourgeoise and not for the worker. One can live without the other and we both know which one that is. Without class society there can be no exploitation, without exploitation there can be no class society.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 09:14 pm
someone else
Here here!


What a stupid question! You're always gona find someone to work for you. If you quit your job, you can easily find someone else who's willing to do it!

Pfff, you think the workers are gona unite and start a world-wide strike'?? hahaha! what a dummass¨! workers arent united for shit! as long as they have enough money to buy food an a television, they're happy, they dont need none of you're BS about stoping work and shit...

everybody wants to work, if not, life would be meaningless...in fact, even your beloved marx says then when writing his theories about alienation...

the fact that you even think about this questions prooves how unrealistic and out of touch you commies are with the real world...

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 09:14 pm
someone else
"We" being the working class in this situation, moron.

[Adam Rand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:19 pm
if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?
Odd question.

If all the workers now would stop working? The unemployed would be very willing to take the jobs.

If those would refuse to work too, then the societies would have to become smaller, the people willing to work would have to stick together and new structures would be built, again with the best becoming the richest and those who can not contribute much getting little in return. While the people that refused to work would starve to death (rightly so).

If workers had more to offer....if they would be able to contribute more...they would get more in return.

Capitalists don't hate workers, they are just only willing to pay them what they are actually worth...

If you mean what happened if everyone would refuse to work...well, we'd all die I suppose.

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 09:23 pm
If we didn't work, capitalism would die out. The bosses would have nobody to work for them so they may try to "import" people from other countries to work for them. If those people also refused to work, capitalism would just die out because there would be nobody to drive it because it's the worker that drives a company, not the boss.
we would die out aswell after some time...

Working includes harvesting food ;)

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:19 pm
if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?
The same thing as you: nothing.

If we didn't work, what would you be typing on?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

If you quit your job, you can easily find someone else who's willing to do it!

I thought you lived in New York and searched for a job for months, that you went around and asked in person if they wanted to hire you but everyone was not interested? How is that "easily"?

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 08:19 pm
if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?
Capies even try to earn money from speculation on debt... speculation on no-money.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:19 pm
if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?
history shows that during times of crisis, and consistent striking the capitalists will utilise the support of the police and fascists to physically persuade the less militant workers to cross the picket line.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+March 16, 2007 02:02 am--> (t_wolves_fan @ March 16, 2007 02:02 am)
[email protected] 14, 2007 07:19 pm
if we didn't work what would capitalist live off?
The same thing as you: nothing.

If we didn't work, what would you be typing on? [/b]
this is highly arguable. The 'worker' in the working sense would have the experience to better survive in a state of self sufficiency, assuming they acted in a co-operative manner.
The capitalist on the other hand, is used to getting his ass wiped by other people so would probably die fairly quickly.

I think it was an old indian chief who gave one of my favourite quotes ( I think it might have been sitting bull)-''Only once we have cut down the last tree and poisoned the last fish, will we realise that we cannot eat money''.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

If nobody worked, everybody would die. That's basically the only reason workers continue to let themselves be exploited by the upper classes.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 06:20 pm
If nobody worked, everybody would die. That's basically the only reason workers continue to let themselves be exploited by the upper classes.
i dont think the thread starter meant to stop working per se, only to stop working for the beourgious.
At least that was the impression I got. :blink:

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Same difference. The bourgeois own the means of production, without which the workers could not convert their labour power into useful commodities.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 09:52 pm
Same difference. The bourgeois own the means of production, without which the workers could not convert their labour power into useful commodities.
Self sufficiency.

What about the 'hippy movement' and anarchist communes?

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by *PRC*Kensei+March 15, 2007 06:48 pm--> (*PRC*Kensei @ March 15, 2007 06:48 pm)
[email protected] 14, 2007 09:23 pm
If we didn't work, capitalism would die out. The bosses would have nobody to work for them so they may try to "import" people from other countries to work for them. If those people also refused to work, capitalism would just die out because there would be nobody to drive it because it's the worker that drives a company, not the boss.
we would die out aswell after some time...

Working includes harvesting food ;) [/b]
Hence the necessity to seize all political power and means of production from the bourgeoisie. ;)

[The-Spark]

If the workers organized communes it could work, and in the Winnipeg General Strike where all of Winnipeg went on strike, IWW gave permission for the workers that are needed to keep people alive to work but everyone else went on strike.

[Tatarin]

The system would collapse. Or it would somehow force us to work...

[bezdomni]

Sort of like Atlas Shrugged but the other way around.

what a fucking lousy book.

[Ol' Dirty]

It's about who you're working for.