communist theory is beyond...

[R_P_A_S]

For all that my words might be worth. I'd like to say something...

I speak for the theory and for the society. Not for any person in particular. I speak for communism. and if that seems too far fetched, then I speak for the sake of human nature, and the fair treatment of humans everywhere...

It was only 10 months ago that I embarked on this learning adventure into the left. It has done many things for me. But what it has done the most, the most radical change in me It's my sudden care, concern and hope for the working class. I look at us in a whole different light. I no longer judge them by their jobs, color, race, nationality, religion or class. This mentality has left me for good and I can say It feels better and more progressive for me.

It has gotten me off my couch, turned off the TV and it has put in contact with politics. Not your money politics. BUT PEOPLE politics. It has made me aware of the injustices that exist and how they are masked and sugarcoated by the ruling class.

I got news for you bourgeoisie... You lost with me. no longer can you brainwash me with your nationalist propaganda, your racist rants, your myth of "alliance for progress" that you call Capitalism. I will not grow up to be like you. or spend the rest of my life trying to emulate you.

I've seen the damages your hypocrisy is causing on a daily basis. your lies and exploitations, I will dedicate the rest of my days to tell my family, my friends, my coworkers, my team mates, my neighborhood, my city, the world of your lies and atrocities.

I see the threads some of you post. your rants. always blaming some "commie leader" always trying to make us see the flaws and irrelevant statistics. the same troll trash day in and day out.
You throw numbers at us, and the crimes and mistakes of a handful of bastards, because that's all you got. Try going toe to toe with Marxism and you'll see that It will leave you face down, ass up in a gutter, dazed and asking for mercy. It's beyond your shallow mind and hearts!

The more I read Marx and other socialist works, I've come to realize that our theory it's so far beyond your wildest understanding. Specially when you haven't even read it and you rely on CNN as your "left-wing source"

Kiddies, this stuff is some deep shit yo! ;) .

You are driven by profits, while we are driven by freedom, justice and democracy.

[wtfm8lol]

:rolleyes: you're far too dumb to have that sort of an elitist attitude. turn down the arrogance. many of us do understand marxism (and most of us understand it better than you in particular) so convincing yourself that we just havent been enlightened is pure nonsense and doesnt do anything but give you a false sense of security.

[Publius]

Get over yourself.

I'm [i]really[/b] impressed by your '10 months' of study.

[Cryotank Screams]

I would like to point out RPAS, your comment below;


I got news for you bourgeoisie

I seriously doubt any capitalist here is of the bourgeoisie class, and in my opinion, they are all of the petite-bourgeoisie class, and as for capitalists not understanding some concepts of Marxism, to a certain degree this is somewhat true, in that a lot of capitalists, don't understand the concepts like how wages are determined, in a capitalist system, both hour-work and piece-work, nor do they fully understand how societies would work, under Marx, or exactly the philosophical concepts behind Marxism in general, which isn't to say that they can't understand this, what I am saying is, they often don't, not mentioning any names here though.

It's also rash to say that capitalist are incapable of understanding Marxist theory, and just makes the Leftist movement look bad.

No, offense though.

[Ander]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:00 pm
Get over yourself.

I'm [i]really impressed by your '10 months' of study. [/b]
It was obviously enough to see past your reactionary bullshit ;)

And I agree with RPAS that a capitalist fuck can't understand Marxism. Sure, they can read it and understand what it's saying but they don't understand what it really stands for. This is why they are heartless capitalists.

[Publius]

It was obviously enough to see past your reactionary bullshit ;)


Yeah, that's me, the old neighborhood atheist reactionary.

:lol:

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:05 pm
Sure, they can read it and understand what it's saying but they don't understand what it really stands for.
Then the distinction must be made, between understanding Marxist theory in itself, and understanding Marxist theory from a proletarian mindset, and having a firm grasp on it, which I think would be impossible if you still maintained the capitalist mentality.

[colonelguppy]

if you turn down the smug people will laugh less when you say sutpid things.

[ComradeRed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 06:27 pm
if you turn down [sic] the smug people will laugh less when you say sutpid [sic] things.
:lol:

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+March 14, 2007 02:00 am--> (Cryotank Screams @ March 14, 2007 02:00 am)
[email protected] 13, 2007 09:05 pm
Sure, they can read it and understand what it's saying but they don't understand what it really stands for.
Then the distinction must be made, between understanding Marxist theory in itself, and understanding Marxist theory from a proletarian mindset, and having a firm grasp on it, which I think would be impossible if you still maintained the capitalist mentality. [/b]
Perhaps, but could you not then say the same thing about a person maintaining a communist mentality trying to have a firm grasp on capitalism? It seems to me this argument cuts both ways.

I suspect neither side really understands the other very well.

[R_P_A_S]

well its here so you guys can talk your shit. I give a flying fuck if "you understand me" or not.
I'm getting the typical replies, the ones I was expecting anyways.

bring it! ;)

[pusher robot]

I suspect neither side really understands the other very well.

Not that this ought to be an excuse not to try.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Jello+March 14, 2007 01:05 am--> (Jello @ March 14, 2007 01:05 am)
[email protected] 13, 2007 09:00 pm
Get over yourself.

I'm [i]really impressed by your '10 months' of study. [/b]
It was obviously enough to see past your reactionary bullshit ;)

And I agree with RPAS that a capitalist fuck can't understand Marxism. Sure, they can read it and understand what it's saying but they don't understand what it really stands for. This is why they are heartless capitalists. [/b]
10 months.. and still going my friend. and the only direction is forward!

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 06:28 am
well its here so you guys can talk your shit. I give a flying fuck if "you understand me" or not.
I'm getting the typical replies, the ones I was expecting anyways.

bring it! ;)
How is that productive? If you have no substantive points, why bother posting?

Mod parent -1 flamebait.

[ZX3]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 02:40 pm

we are driven by freedom, justice and democracy.

Prove it.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by ZX3+March 14, 2007 11:33 am--> (ZX3 @ March 14, 2007 11:33 am)
[email protected] 13, 2007 02:40 pm

we are driven by freedom, justice and democracy.

Prove it. [/b]
I really wish we could warn people for being idiots.

I don't know if Marxism is beyond the grasp of all capitalists but it certainly appears to have gone right over the head of ZX3.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 02:27 am
if you turn down the smug people will laugh less when you say sutpid things.
I'm sure he'll bear your advice in mind just in case he goes and does something sutpid.

[Tungsten]

R_P_A_S

Try going toe to toe with Marxism and you'll see that It will leave you face down, ass up in a gutter, dazed and asking for mercy.
Which part of it? Certainly not the intellectual content.

The more I read Marx and other socialist works, I've come to realize that our theory it's so far beyond your wildest understanding.
There isn't much in there beyond "kill the rich, give to the poor", which isn't even original. Intellectuals don't take to the streets waving slogan-bearing banners around in the delusion that they're somehow going to achieve something. That isn't how thinking people operate.

Kiddies, this stuff is some deep shit yo! .
The key word here being "shit".

[IcarusAngel]

Originally posted by Tungsten+March 14, 2007 03:29 pm--> (Tungsten @ March 14, 2007 03:29 pm)There isn't much in there beyond "kill the rich, give to the poor", which isn't even original. [/b]

Where in Marxist theory does it say that?


[email protected] 14, 2007 03:29 pm
Intellectuals don't take to the streets waving slogan-bearing banners around in the delusion that they're somehow going to achieve something. That isn't how thinking people operate.

What are you talking about? Many of the anti-Vietnam war protesters were chemists, physicists, psychologists, biologists, mathematicians, linguists, and so on, and the protesters were successful in getting a message out that opposed what the mainstream networks and politicians were telling Americans.

[Pilar]

R_P_A_S:

Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, but if you really do believe what you wrote in your opening comment, you are liking Marxism to somekind of specialness, faith-based view. It is ironic, because you would be aligning yourself with those medieval Europeans who said, "Obviously banking is beyond Africans because while they have money lending they do not have banks."

It's kind of silly to read this from a commie. Most of us believe it is not only accessible to all (communist theory) but it is INEVITIBLE!!!

While I disagree with cappies on many of their points, I do not believe I am superior in my thinking to them.

How did you ever get that way?

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 04:00 pm
R_P_A_S:

Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, but if you really do believe what you wrote in your opening comment, you are liking Marxism to somekind of specialness, faith-based view. It is ironic, because you would be aligning yourself with those medieval Europeans who said, "Obviously banking is beyond Africans because while they have money lending they do not have banks."

It's kind of silly to read this from a commie. Most of us believe it is not only accessible to all (communist theory) but it is INEVITIBLE!!!

While I disagree with cappies on many of their points, I do not believe I am superior in my thinking to them.

How did you ever get that way?
i dont think im superior than them.
you can read that 10 times and interpret it different ways. Im not going to re write it now.
to appeal everyone, to make sense to everyone.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 04:34 pm
I think most of us in the OI have a basic idea of how Marxism works.
You'd be surprised.

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 03:34 pm
I think most of us in the OI have a basic idea of how Marxism works.
I think most pro-capitalists in OI have read little or no Marx, and generally attack it because they understand it has always been a great threat to capitalism, and remains a great threat to capitalism. I think some of them attack marxism from positions of great ignorance and fear. Why are they here, arguing against marxism, if marxism is morribund and history and class struggle are over?

[wtfm8lol]

and generally attack it because they understand it has always been a great threat to capitalism, and remains a great threat to capitalism.

please, don't delude yourself into thinking we're actually afraid of your system taking over :lol:

we might have been 50 years ago, but the massive failures of your comrades have done our job for us

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 08:34 pm

and generally attack it because they understand it has always been a great threat to capitalism, and remains a great threat to capitalism.

please, don't delude yourself into thinking we're actually afraid of your system taking over :lol:

we might have been 50 years ago, but the massive failures of your comrades have done our job for us
Another pro-capitalist who imagines that people living in filth and poverty will give a shit about percieved, past failures of working class rebellion.

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by colonelguppy+March 14, 2007 09:10 pm--> (colonelguppy @ March 14, 2007 09:10 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 06:52 am

[email protected] 14, 2007 02:27 am
if you turn down the smug people will laugh less when you say sutpid things.
I'm sure he'll bear your advice in mind just in case he goes and does something sutpid.
OH MY GOD I MADE A TYPO ON THE INTERNET [/b]
Yes you did and we all do. But when criticising other people get your own house in order first and use proper arguments . It made you look stupid and we all seen it.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by pusher [email protected] 14, 2007 02:23 am
I suspect neither side really understands the other very well.
Have you not read Das Kapital, or Wage-Labour and Capital by Marx?

[pusher robot]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+March 14, 2007 09:16 pm--> (Cryotank Screams @ March 14, 2007 09:16 pm)
pusher [email protected] 14, 2007 02:23 am
I suspect neither side really understands the other very well.
Have you not read Das Kapital, or Wage-Labour and Capital by Marx? [/b]
Excerpts, yes. Not the entire body of work.

I was talking, though, less about theory and more about motivation and perception.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by pusher robot+March 14, 2007 07:30 am--> (pusher robot @ March 14, 2007 07:30 am)
[email protected] 14, 2007 06:28 am
well its here so you guys can talk your shit. I give a flying fuck if "you understand me" or not.
I'm getting the typical replies, the ones I was expecting anyways.

bring it! ;)
How is that productive? If you have no substantive points, why bother posting?

Mod parent -1 flamebait. [/b]
While I have sometimes mused about having a moderation system, such as at /., I don't think it is technically possible (or at least easy) here. Shit happens. (But I did laugh.)


/me makes some comment about capitalists not all being stupid.
/me makes another one about how any number of "communists" or "Marxists" don't understand Marxist theory.
/me makes further comment about simply understanding Marxist theory, doesn't mean that you have to agree with it or be a Marxist.

You get my point I am sure.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

It might be that many don't understand, but we should definitely give them the benefit of the doubt.

Certainly you get nutters like ebeneezer, but you also get very eloquent and considered non-communists, like Publius, and a few who are potentially democratic socialists like Patton.

Even the ones who frequently make pretty absurd points, like wtfm8lol, Tungsten, colonelguppy, will usually have a few criticisms that are at least valid.

I just don't think it's fair to have such a sweeping dismissal of all capitalists.

-Alex

[UndergroundConnexion]

good writing companero , and who gives a shit about "10 months" , 10 months is enought to make profound changes, which will have an lasting impact, and which will affect you forever

[t_wolves_fan]

Your post could have been written by a religious fundamentalist. Just replace "leftist" or "socialist" with "God" and "capitalist" with "atheist" and you have the same message, which is this:

"I don't care about history or reality. My pet theory sounds good to me. Once I assume my pet theory is correct and any dissenting information as dangerous, there is no point in attempting to have a dialogue with me."

I wish you luck in your endeavors. I'm sure your rapture will bring you all the glory you imagine.