Emo people and seen kids?

[molecular transmutation]

I myself listen to alot of rock music, mostly international more obscured bands, have found myself bashing Emo kids and supposed "Hardcore" kids. Is bashing those who favor a really shitty music scene considered discrimination, even though they seem fun to insult?

I probably sound like some jerk, but o well... <_<

[which doctor]

I&#39;ve discovered that people often bash emo kids as a scapegoat even though they don&#39;t understand the origins of the emo sub-culture.

And no, I am in no way considered "emo"

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I don&#39;t think it&#39;s necessary to "understand the origins of the emo sub-culture" to make a decent critique of their music and realize that it&#39;s crap.

[bretty]

How about we let people listen to whatever music they want?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

How about we let people insult whatever type of music they want?

[RNK]

Nobody&#39;s trying to force emos to stop listening to Good Charlotte.

[Heart Of An Artist]

who are we to judge people on their looks and music? let them listen to what they want and if you really have nothing nice to say keep it to your self that damn easy. your not being cool insulting someone for what they like and never will be. the kids who like that kind of thing are people just as much as you i and and deserve to be treated as such. not as something inferior. it is just like labels they area controlled method to seperate people on not needed things. as well as to isolate everyone

[TC]

Emo is an aesthetic judgement, a matter of taste, if its not your taste, you can feel free to let people know that.

and yes, you do sound like a jerk.

and moved to music

[Oiron]

Well, on a more general note, I think trading insults can be amusing, as long as it&#39;s done all in good fun. :P I mean, in my book, you can say whatever you like about whatever musical genre, as long as you are as ready to accept other people insulting your favourite music. And as long as you&#39;re not taking all of it too seriously. ;)

[anarchista feminista]

People are free to their own opinion. They like emo, that&#39;s their choice. We disagree with fascism, and it is another&#39;s opinion. And we all believe in personal liberties and usually respect other&#39;s beliefs. Does that mean we can&#39;t be against fascism? No. Because in our opinion it is wrong. Same with emo. For most.
We just have to respect other&#39;s opinions though and understand that it&#39;s part of who they are. At the same time we can enjoy making fun of them. Aslong as it isn&#39;t harming them. I&#39;m a bit of a pacifist. :blush:

[analfilth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:53 am
People are free to their own opinion. They like emo, that&#39;s their choice. We disagree with fascism, and it is another&#39;s opinion. And we all believe in personal liberties and usually respect other&#39;s beliefs. Does that mean we can&#39;t be against fascism? No. Because in our opinion it is wrong. Same with emo. For most.
We just have to respect other&#39;s opinions though and understand that it&#39;s part of who they are. At the same time we can enjoy making fun of them. Aslong as it isn&#39;t harming them. I&#39;m a bit of a pacifist. :blush:
I don&#39;t think you can really compare emo-&#39;bashing&#39; to disgreeing with fascism. I mean consider the history behind fascism. I don&#39;t know about you but I haven&#39;t seen any kids in tight black jeans and long fringes trying to wipe out all of the surfer kids or lads.
Plus emo music isn&#39;t wrong. I love origninal emo music. Bring on Fugazi any day&#33;The emo fad will be over soon enough. All we have to do is wait. It&#39;s a good thing emos aren&#39;t in charge of street lights though.

Yeah ok that was a lame joke.

[Angry Young Man]

Meh. I&#39;ll try my hardest to sit on the wall, because I used to be called an emo ( :huh: )
Anyho, I got into some of the bands (namely AFI, Finch and (don&#39;t laugh) mcr) because they seemed really genuine and the generic emo riff was quite catchy before everyone did it. I guess it&#39;s sort of a community thing. However, what I dislike is popular kids jumping on the bandwagon, being as it was originally kids who felt socially alienated. I even kept a mag with an interview with mcr before they sucked, and they seemed to have issues, and their fans identified with that. Same reason that punks listen to punk because of political alienation, or metalheads to metal because of aural alienation.
But yea alot of them are complete wankers.

[Arrakakaka]

You want real emo? Listen to Moss Icon.

[redcannon]

emo kids and scene kids are annoying, and there music is shit. the music they listened to was not made to express feelings but rather for the music industry to profit off *****y teenagers desperate for attention. (note: emo kids and depressed kids are different. emo kids want attention, depressed kids have a real medical condition [note: i am neither of these, just thought the distinction was important])

[Angry Young Man]

Granted about the emo/depressive distinction as a thumb rule, but alot of genuinely depressive kids join the scene for a kind of comfort and community. What other choices are there? Indie-shat or poof metal (Him, Within Temptation, etc)

I lost faith in the scene when Fall Out Boy were counted as members. They suck like a dyson.

[Ander]

I hate how everyone talks about emo all the fucking time. Some one called me emo because I was wearing a black Dead Kennedys shirt and black Vans slip ons with bats on them.

I&#39;m not emo at all, I don&#39;t listen to emo and I&#39;m not a depressed anti-social attention seeker.

Emo kids suck, period.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The Brazilian pronunciation of emo is hilarious. Tell them how it&#39;s pronounced in English and they&#39;ll find it equally amusing. We also call rheas "emas", making it even funnier.

[Red October]

emo kids suck. their music is shit and so does their lame attempt at being "counter-culture". its evolved to the point where all they do is whine and post endless pictures of themselves looking sad on myspace. fuck &#39;em all. at least hippies have some decent music.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 03:35 pm
I hate how everyone talks about emo all the fucking time. Some one called me emo because I was wearing a black Dead Kennedys shirt and black Vans slip ons with bats on them.

because the Dead Kennedys are sooo emo...dumbasses <_<

[RASHskins]

Hardcore music is not emo dont mention them in the same sentence please.

[My Heart is a Molotov]

i think when some "emo" music is being labeled and marketed as "hardcore" its hard not to put them together.

but i think its just the same as ANY "alternative" scene. it will be corrupted by big record labels and you will always have the mainstream bands being called emo, punk, hardcore, or metal when really they are just another pop band. and with every other marketable trend there will be a big number of those kids who follow it. its not like they would market something that no one will consume.

so, just as every "scene" has the elitists, trend-followers, and big business, so does emo. its nothing different really.

[RASHskins]

yea that is true about the scene. Im not into mainstream bands though. i basically just support all the local bands and try to make my own. Yea i don&#39;t liek the scene either all those elitist assholes, thats why i just go there and do whatever i feel like doing, i love it when those elitist kids give me dirty looks its fuels me.

[An archist]

I don&#39;t know a lot of emoes, the ones I know are usually about 13-15 years old, get a lot of money from their parents, say they don&#39;t care about fashion but usually wear clothes they mail-ordered from england (if they&#39;re from round here, you&#39;re a poser), they try to imitate the punk look but only for fashion, feel they are misunderstood by the world and are basically egocentrical bastards and mindless consumers.

Those people are annoying, especially when they go to punk gigs and almost start crying because you bumped into them or spilled beer over their new clothes.

but I&#39;m in no way generalising, I don&#39;t know too much emo kids

[BreadBros]

Emo kids are kinda funny, its like over-the-top teen angst. They&#39;re annoying but harmless. Personally I find people into Indie rock much more sanctimonious and obnoxious.

[Oiron]

Indie? Why&#39;s that? Admittedly, I don&#39;t know any Indie guys, but girls that listen to indie seem pretty normal to me, nothing outstanding about them...

[Kia]

Reading the posts it seems people don&#39;t really have the same definition of Emo at all.
Wikipedia: Emo (music) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_%28music%29)
Even the wikipedia article doesn&#39;t seem to be exactly sure what Emo is....Fugazi for instance is most definitely not what people would call "Emo" music.
I can&#39;t stand about 99.9% of all Emo music (except for Bright Eyes) and find the current subculture associated with it to be extremely annoying. I will say that insulting someone by calling them Emo really is pointless... unless the person happens to fit the stereotype to a T..the insult is just vague and meaningless.

Its a passing tend that&#39;ll die out soon enough.


Emo kids are kinda funny, its like over-the-top teen angst. They&#39;re annoying but harmless. Personally I find people into Indie rock much more sanctimonious and obnoxious.

Indie music is a huge genre. It encompasses so many other genres that it really isn&#39;t as easy to classify as Emo (even that seems to be hard).
When you say "Indie Rock People" I think you mean what is currently called "hipsters" and "scenesters". I happen to know quite a few kids who fit exactly into these stereotypes and some are good friends of mine. I&#39;ll agree that some of these kids are extremely obnoxious and rather full of themselves. However they&#39;re such a relatively small part of the whole Indie scene that anyone with any common sense knows better then to take them seriously.

[Invader Zim]

I can&#39;t stand about 99.9% of all Emo music (except for Bright Eyes)

Bright Eyes are not emo.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 08:28 am
Indie? Why&#39;s that? Admittedly, I don&#39;t know any Indie guys, but girls that listen to indie seem pretty normal to me, nothing outstanding about them...
I wasn&#39;t really referring to the average indie fan. I was referring more to the culture/media that surrounds it and those who vest interest in it. Have you ever read Pitchfork or other publications like it? It tends to be elitist pseudo-intellectual nonsensical ramblings that concern themselves more with hype and obscurity than with the actual music. I think David Cross does a pretty funny commentary (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/10279/Artist_List_Artist_List_David_Cross_Albums_to_List en_to_Whil) on the whole Indie scene.

Overall I&#39;m not a big fan of indie music because it just seems like a rehash of all thats come before. Its like a post-modern retread on rock, it has all the image (or sound) but none of the context or content. Whenever I think of it I&#39;m reminded of this Guy Debord quote:
The end of the history of culture manifests itself in two opposing forms: the project of culture’s self-transcendence within total history, and its preservation as a dead object for spectacular contemplation. The first tendency has linked its fate to social critique, the second to the defense of class power. To me Indie music is a great example of #2, a cultural movement that stands in direct awe of culture&#39;s apparent totality and then preserves and commodifies that into a series of fashion and musical trends fueled by hype. Plus I find most of it pretty boring. Just my 2 cents ;).

[Kia]

Bright Eyes are not emo.
most definately are...they&#39;re not however the classic stereotype of emo music.


I wasn&#39;t really referring to the average indie fan. I was referring more to the culture/media that surrounds it and those who vest interest in it. Have you ever read Pitchfork or other publications like it? It tends to be elitist pseudo-intellectual nonsensical ramblings that concern themselves more with hype and obscurity than with the actual music. I think David Cross does a pretty funny commentary on the whole Indie scene.

Yeah I have. I check pitchfork pretty often just so i know what bands are on tour currently and if they have a new album out or not. i agree that their reviews and alot of other articles are a load of trash.


Overall I&#39;m not a big fan of indie music because it just seems like a rehash of all thats come before.

Quite alot of it is. The problem though is that the genre can be viewed as encompassing a rather large group of other genres. Alot of indie music is a combination of multiple genres, take dance punk for instance its a combination of electronic dance punk music with punk.
While indie music may not be always throwing new genres of music out there..it is often playing around older ones. As with any style of music (punk, metal, rock, classical, revolutionary, etc....) you sort of just have to sift through the pile of shit till you find something worthwhile.

BreadBros curious what kind of music you prefer..might help me understand better about where your coming from.

[Palmares]

In my understanding, "emo" has its origin from hardcore (that is, in the contemporary sense), as in the original genre emo referred to what is otherwise known as "emotional hardcore", that being music that fitted the hardcore genre but also exhibited characteristics that could be described as "emotional", and in this context this related to heartfelt, soft singing.

In reference to the actual lyrical matter, there has often been debates on what is "emotional". In my interpretation, I do not believe the label is so much an all encompassing reference to any and every emotional type of music, but rather that of which could quite negatively be described as "whiney". I guess what this could mean is lyrics that talk about things which aren&#39;t really that big of a deal or that whinges etc. For example, perhaps someone may writing a song about being dumped by their girlfriend (sorry to be so patriachically heteronormative) as opposed to someone writing a song about the suffering a millions of people.

I guess this kinda of reminds of Korn, in that Jonathan Davis is often tagged as having whiney lyrics due to him singing about being bullied at high school for like 5 or 6 albums...

Sound-wise, emo has changed, and now emo refers more to just soft heartfelt pop-punk/indie type music, or a mix of both. And that of which has hardcore elements may sometimes still be called emo, or even screamo (which refers to the screeching vocals).

Culturally, emo seems to have stemmed from both pop-punk and goth sub-cultures, and also indie, and to what i see as a culmination of all the "bad" elements, hehe. What i mean is that it has taken alot of the commodified elements and made a sub-culture that is perhaps the most commercial of all thus far.

Someone show me a DIY emo band and maybe I&#39;ll change my mind... or not.

For the most part, its angsty kids looking for a way to rebel, but not knowing how or just doing it superficially. And as various sub-cultures have been commodified, emo is perhaps the worst, with brands being held as cool compared to the way yuppies do.

But then again, check out this interpretation by an anarchist kiwi emo friend of mine:


Emo as a Counter-Hegmonic Masculinity

I definitely have a different take on what emo is compared to most emo kids. I don&#39;t fit much of the emo prescription, stereotyped or not: I&#39;ve never really been into the music, I&#39;ve generally got on with my parents, I&#39;m usually pretty happy, and I can&#39;t write poetry to save myself. But this isn&#39;t what attracts me to emo culture anyway.

For me, emo culture stands in contradiction to hegemonic masculinities. Us emo boys can be emotive, we can cry, we can be skinny, we can wear eyeliner, mascara and other traditionally girls clothes (tight jeans, tight tops). We can wear touches of pink, straighten our hair, go to great lengths to make ourselves pretty, act flamboyant, be uncoordinated and hopeless at sport. Yet at the same time, rather than this marking us off as freaks and fags it is, to a degree, an accepted subculture.

This is all the more staggering considering in certain emo groups boy-on-boy relations - coded as gay in almost every other social setting - are instead encouraged. Boys can hug, snuggle, care for one another, kiss and even have sex and they aren&#39;t necessarily demarcated as "other", as fags or fairies or gay, but rather as scene.

Emo for me allows for a space to escape the normalising discourses of sexuality - gay, bi or straight - and instead introduces new conceptions of gender that transgress hegemonic masculinity and do so in such ways that do not so easily lend themselves to being simply relegated and dismissed as the domain of fags.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:57 am

Emo kids are kinda funny, its like over-the-top teen angst. They&#39;re annoying but harmless. Personally I find people into Indie rock much more sanctimonious and obnoxious.

Indie music is a huge genre. It encompasses so many other genres that it really isn&#39;t as easy to classify as Emo (even that seems to be hard).
When you say "Indie Rock People" I think you mean what is currently called "hipsters" and "scenesters".
Does s/he mean people who read NME and that Kasabian are a good band. The other night I watched the NME awards and I realised how bloody pretentious they are. I like the Killers though. Kasabian are just something to add to my list of why to hate Leicestershire. The only redeeming feat of Leics is Red Leicester cheese, and it&#39;s still not that great. We can do without Leics.

[BreadBros]

BreadBros curious what kind of music you prefer..might help me understand better about where your coming from.

My music tastes run pretty standard, but I dig quite a lot of different genres of music. The majority of the stuff I listen to is either rap or rock. But I like a lot of electronica-type stuff (particularly Aphex Twin and a lot of down-tempo stuff like Massive Attack), I also like some country, some bits of jazz and classical that my friends throw at me. Recently I&#39;ve started listening to a lot of punk and am liking it quite a bit (the Plasmatics and Black Flag are now two of my favorite bands).


Does s/he mean people who read NME and that Kasabian are a good band. The other night I watched the NME awards and I realised how bloody pretentious they are. I like the Killers though. Kasabian are just something to add to my list of why to hate Leicestershire. The only redeeming feat of Leics is Red Leicester cheese, and it&#39;s still not that great. We can do without Leics.

Hehe, that is not what I meant as I like Kasabian myself. Im not a huge fan of indie music as I mentioned above, but in terms of what this thread is about I was really referring to the media/hype/culture that surrounds Indie music. I suppose NME could fit into that, I haven&#39;t really had a chance to read it myself though so I&#39;m not sure.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by Heart Of An [email protected] 12, 2007 07:14 pm
who are we to judge people on their looks and music?
Who are you to judge me about judging people?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

If Bright Eyes and Elliott Smith are considered "emo" than I&#39;m guilty as charged.
But I&#39;m a human overall. I don&#39;t know, I just admire Conor Oberst.

[Xilo]

Why Cover yourself in thoughts of pain and suffering when people who are emo should be focusing on the +&#39;s. and who really cares so much if they got dumped once? The emo sub-culture to me is a load of self hating crap. Most of my friends just got out of bad relationships and have now thought it was a good idea to go the emo route.

[Sickle of Justice]

i dunno.. it seems kinda funny to me, actually. 90% of emo and scene kids are upper middle class suburban kids. meanwhile, i know inner city street kids who are positive and optimistic (and mostly crust punk)

[luxemburg89]

Look man, i hate emo music and i think they look stupid but they probably think Dylan is shit and that I look stupid - the same i hate rap music and whatever. But hating rap music is MY problem, not someone who likes it, because i don&#39;t like the sound of something why should i stop them liking the same sound, it&#39;s unfair on them - i mean no emo has ever come up to me and told me to stop listening to &#39;like a rolling stone&#39;. We believe in freedom - so let&#39;s recognise people&#39;s right to listen to what they want.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Romantic Revolutionary+March 21, 2007 08:01 pm--> (Romantic Revolutionary @ March 21, 2007 08:01 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 09:57 am

Emo kids are kinda funny, its like over-the-top teen angst. They&#39;re annoying but harmless. Personally I find people into Indie rock much more sanctimonious and obnoxious.

Indie music is a huge genre. It encompasses so many other genres that it really isn&#39;t as easy to classify as Emo (even that seems to be hard).
When you say "Indie Rock People" I think you mean what is currently called "hipsters" and "scenesters".
Does s/he mean people who read NME and that Kasabian are a good band. The other night I watched the NME awards and I realised how bloody pretentious they are. I like the Killers though. Kasabian are just something to add to my list of why to hate Leicestershire. The only redeeming feat of Leics is Red Leicester cheese, and it&#39;s still not that great. We can do without Leics. [/b]
I listen to a lot of &#39;indie rock&#39; and I do not read the NME or like Kasabian especially, they have a couple of good songs but that is as far as it goes.

[Sickle of Justice]

my biggest beef with the modern emo scene is that most of &#39;em have no legitimate problems, and whine about nothing. its pessimistic. the solution? be positive and optimistic. they&#39;res nothing more annoying to an emo than happiness.

oh, and btw, people who are emo because they&#39;re lives suck? i recommend they do something about it, and turning it into art is nothing wrong.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Turning sadness into art is "wrong"?

[Sickle of Justice]

no. but faking sadness so you can fit in with a social scen or turn it into corprate music is just plane stupid. turning actual sadness into art is fine, though not particularly productive. but modern emo is empty. it has no balls, seems like a corporate reproduction of social distortion (damn good band) im not saying that all emos are posers, but there cannot possibly be that many people people with depression. its statistically ridiculous. its way more likely that a lot of teens want to fit in with a certain group, which was founded on the angst of people who deserve to be angsty. it seems like people are convincing themselves they are sad, but have nothing to be sad about. one of my friends is emo, and she has NO reason to be. shes upper middle class, her parents are SO nice, let her smoke pot, she has tons of friends, a great girlfriend, does well in school... and do you know what she whines about? HAVING NOTHING TO WHINE ABOUT&#33;&#33;&#33; she says stuff like "whys everyone so damn nice to me?" or "why wont people suppress my lifestyle?" its insane.

[Inithias]

The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin, ...
All of those legendary bands had a lot of songs about feelings, emotions, ...

but hell, are we blaming them for it ? NO &#33;
In no way you should accuse emo for being "fucked", cause they also sing &#39;bout those things.

I hate it when ppl say things about emo kids. Is it populair to do it ? :wacko:
If it is and you&#39;re doing it too, damn, you just follow the mass..

Emo has it&#39;s roots in the hardcore music,
for myself, no I&#39;m not emo, but I listen to it sometimes, those emo-bands make good songs, and they have a lot of talent,

Ofcourse you have your own opinion about bands, genres, ... but ffs, don&#39;t say things because the mass does it. Respect another his musical taste, do those emo kids blame you for being alive and listening to your own style of music ? I don&#39;t really think so.

Greetz.

[Avtomat_Icaro]

All I have to say about emo kids is the following quote:

"Man has to suffer. When he has no real afflictions, he invents some."
-Jose Marti

[Sickle of Justice]

Emo has it&#39;s roots in the hardcore music,
for myself, no I&#39;m not emo, but I listen to it sometimes, those emo-bands make good songs, and they have a lot of talent


Huh? ok, i suppose old "emo" is Emocore/emotional hardcore, but most emo you hear sounds distinctively NOT hardcore. maybe i only hear the corporate emo shit, the same way people are led to beleive that simple plan is punk, its possible theres a good underground emo scene. if there is, please put some links up to bands, i&#39;d like to hear it.


The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin, ...
All of those legendary bands had a lot of songs about feelings, emotions, ...

but hell, are we blaming them for it ? NO &#33;
In no way you should accuse emo for being "fucked", cause they also sing &#39;bout those things.


everyone is "emo" sometimes, myself included. but in most cases thats because shit has happened to them, and the only logical reaction is to be angry and sad. thats fine. but the sheer volume of emo kids in the current scene, especially borgoise ones, makes it nonsensical for this to be the case with all of them. people arnt being emo because they&#39;re sad, they&#39;re being sad so they can be emo.

[Faceless]

i dunno.. it seems kinda funny to me, actually. 90% of emo and scene kids are upper middle class suburban kids. meanwhile, i know inner city street kids who are positive and optimistic (and mostly crust punk)
dude, what city do you live in? Seriously, around here you might pass one crust punk in a week whereas emos are rife. I don&#39;t know where you get the idea that emos are kids of rich people. My sister and all her mates are emos and they go to a bog standard comprehensive school, and their parents do "normal" working class jobs. I reckon you hippies are pretty out of touch with reality :P

Anyway, on a serious note; emos are normal people. Emo is a popular form of culture for lots of people, it&#39;s what they like. Many of them are quite insecure people who you can do much psychological damage to by taunting them and telling them how inferior they are. It isn&#39;t what anyone needs. And no, im not an emo.

[Sickle of Justice]

i guess. i dunno, i suppose there are plenty of different types of emo kid, but i know quite a few who are rich. but is suppose that thats true for any culture. i have no problem with emo as a culture, but i guess i think there are too many posers. and yes, there are way more emos than crusties. so? i dunno. emocore is fine, scene is cool, but gets annoying after awhile. non mainstreamo emo is good, not really my thing, whatevs. i go to some screamo shows in my town, and they&#39;re a whole lot of rich kids there frome my old school. anyway, if yer sister and her mates are emo, fine. they can do they&#39;re thing.

[BreadBros]

The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin, ...
All of those legendary bands had a lot of songs about feelings, emotions, ...

but hell, are we blaming them for it ? NO &#33;
In no way you should accuse emo for being "fucked", cause they also sing &#39;bout those things.

First of all, none of those bands centered their identity around an emotion, like emo attempts to do. More importantly however, the "emotions" expressed in those types of music are perceived by most people to be more authentic than those expressed in emo music. Everyone experiences emotions and its only natural that an artist would try to express them in music. However, when you totally commidify a subculture, create an identity and thereby a social scene/grouping around it, etc. then it sort of implies that its really not a genuine emotion you&#39;re trying to express but rather a social signifier to center your social group around.


I hate it when ppl say things about emo kids. Is it populair to do it ? :wacko:
If it is and you&#39;re doing it too, damn, you just follow the mass..

It is popular to make fun of emos. You have to realize emo was a mainstream teenage fad, just like boy bands in the 90s, glam rock in the 80s, disco in the 70s etc. Just like people make fun of those fads for their ludicrousness people will probably keep making fun of emos. Its not really being a part of the mass, its people making fun of others for being a part of the mass of sheeple.


Emo has it&#39;s roots in the hardcore music,
for myself, no I&#39;m not emo, but I listen to it sometimes, those emo-bands make good songs, and they have a lot of talent,

True, but its plainly visible that emo music bears almost no likeness to hardcore music anymore. The most popular emo bands today (like, say, Fall Out Boy) can&#39;t even hold a candle musically, politically or culturally to the most popular hardcore bands at the peak of hardcore (like, say, Black Flag or Bad Brains).

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Sickle of Justice+--> (Sickle of Justice)Huh? ok, i suppose old "emo" is Emocore/emotional hardcore, but most emo you hear sounds distinctively NOT hardcore. maybe i only hear the corporate emo shit, the same way people are led to beleive that simple plan is punk, its possible theres a good underground emo scene. if there is, please put some links up to bands, i&#39;d like to hear it.[/b]

To quote myself:


Originally posted by Cthenthar+--> (Cthenthar)In my understanding, "emo" has its origin from hardcore (that is, in the contemporary sense), as in the original genre emo referred to what is otherwise known as "emotional hardcore", that being music that fitted the hardcore genre but also exhibited characteristics that could be described as "emotional", and in this context this related to heartfelt, soft singing.[/b]

And:


Originally posted by Cthenthar
Sound-wise, emo has changed, and now emo refers more to just soft heartfelt pop-punk/indie type music, or a mix of both. And that of which has hardcore elements may sometimes still be called emo, or even screamo (which refers to the screeching vocals).


Sickle of [email protected]
everyone is "emo" sometimes, myself included. but in most cases thats because shit has happened to them, and the only logical reaction is to be angry and sad. thats fine. but the sheer volume of emo kids in the current scene, especially borgoise ones, makes it nonsensical for this to be the case with all of them. people arnt being emo because they&#39;re sad, they&#39;re being sad so they can be emo.

I don&#39;t think the term emo is an all encompassing term for all emotion, but rather a term about a certain type of emotion, specifically that of whineing.

To quote myself:


Cthenthar
In reference to the actual lyrical matter, there has often been debates on what is "emotional". In my interpretation, I do not believe the label is so much an all encompassing reference to any and every emotional type of music, but rather that of which could quite negatively be described as "whiney". I guess what this could mean is lyrics that talk about things which aren&#39;t really that big of a deal or that whinges etc. For example, perhaps someone may writing a song about being dumped by their girlfriend (sorry to be so patriachically heteronormative) as opposed to someone writing a song about the suffering a millions of people.

I guess this kinda of reminds of Korn, in that Jonathan Davis is often tagged as having whiney lyrics due to him singing about being bullied at high school for like 5 or 6 albums...

Sorry to quote myself twice form my own previous repsonse in this thread, hell even from this same page, I just feel some of the responses since have totally missed thep oints of my post&#33;

[Sickle of Justice]

yeah, thats wat i meant. everyone is whiney sometimes, but emo people have a tendancy to do it unreasonably.

[Inithias]

from Sickle Of Justice : Huh? ok, i suppose old "emo" is Emocore/emotional hardcore, but most emo you hear sounds distinctively NOT hardcore. maybe i only hear the corporate emo shit, the same way people are led to beleive that simple plan is punk, its possible theres a good underground emo scene. if there is, please put some links up to bands, i&#39;d like to hear it.



maybe it&#39;s that, I don&#39;t talk about bands like Fall Out Boy, or My Chemical Romance, it&#39;s more &#39;bout Funeral For A Friend, From Autumn To Ashes, Alexisonfire, The Maple Room, The Get Up Kids, ...

www.themapleroom.net (belgians)

[Sickle of Justice]

cool, i already know alexisonfire, though i dont really think of them as emo, i&#39;ll check out the others.

[Inithias]

yeah, check them out ^^

across five aprils, hawthorne heights, stretch arm strong, thursday, ...
if i come up with some more, i&#39;ll tell you,

i hope you&#39;ll like it

Greetz.