School after the revolution

[RedSabine]

I do not like school. However, I know that it is neccicary to educate the people. My question is, what would the educational system look like in communism? WOuld it be compulsory?

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

I'd say it would be more about self-development than career development, it would be less authoritarian, and the students would actively help decide their own curriculum. Also it would need to be free.

[VukBZ2005]

1.) In my view, education would have to be compulsory in a Communist society from the age of four to the age of thirteen and if they so choose to continue their education, from the age of thirteen to the age of twenty, when they would be placed in the job of their choice. This way, we can ensure that everyone is doing something that would be productive to the development or re-development of the economy along communist lines, and that everyone is psychologically on the same page.

2.) I think that education would longer be divided into grades, but rather, it would be divided into two parts;

(1) Foundation (4 to 13) (Adult age unspecified)
(2) Job Preparation (13 to 20) (Adult age unspecified)

The first part, "Foundation", would be open to both children and uneducated adults. This stage would consist of seven classes. These seven classes would be classes that would build every child and uneducated adult up to acceptable levels of reading skills, reading comprehension skills, basic mathematical skills, handwriting skills, a consistent understanding of human history, the history of their region, a consistent understanding of science and a level of social understanding that integrates everyone.

The educational facilities would be built to separate both the uneducated adults and the children, as so to address their educational needs in a proper and necessary fashion. Separate facilities would also be provided for the physically and mentally-disabled, as so to address their needs as well.

These classes would be organized in the following order;

(1) Reading and Reading Comprehension (RRC)
(2) Handwriting (H)
(3) Basic Mathematics (BM)
(4) Human History (HH)
(5) Regional History (RH)
(6) Science (S)
(7) Socialization and Communication (SC)

When the children within this system reach the age of thirteen, they would have to go through a process that would allow them to either enter the "Job Preparation" stage which eventually allow them to work at the industry of their choice or to exit the school system altogether if they so choose. Should the exit happen, in order for a individual to obtain a job that requires extensive training, they would have go back into the school system because the time it would take to properly train the person to work in a collective that specializes in the production of a product or the providence of a service would be too long and it would not be effective enough for a person to do their job correctly. The only difference with what happens if a student drops out of high school today would be that they would not be put into a situation of eventual homelessness or severe poverty; the society would provide for them and would allow them to live their lifes in the way that they wish. Should the exit not happen, then the individual would be allowed choose any of the jobs that they would want to choose in any of the industries that are present and would go through the necessary training processes which eventually result in theme getting job a specific collective that specializes in that chosen field.

This also applies to both physically/mentally-disabled individuals and uneducated adults. It depends on how long the process of education takes hold within their minds and how well are they able to function in the job preparation stage if they so do choose to go into that stage.

3.) I also tend to think that education would be more self-development more than career development as it is now. But it must be said that the time that would go into the training of individuals for a certain job would have to require a lengthier process as so to ensure that they can function correctly in the job of their choice.

[RedSabine]

What about electives? How would we treat things like art, theatre, and things like that? Would they be tought in the second school, if somone wanted to be an artist or an actor.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:05 pm
What about electives? How would we treat things like art, theatre, and things like that? Would they be tought in the second school, if somone wanted to be an artist or an actor.

1.) The goal of a Communist education system is to centralize these two stages into one multi-story building that would hold all of these facilities. This way, instead of having people go to a whole separate amount of schools as the process of education unfolds, there would be one school that will be able to serve the needs of the community in a fashion that will result in the production of intelligent and productive individuals.

2.) The theater and the arts would be taught in a fashion that produces artists and actors within facilities in the multi-story building that be devoted to the theater and the arts.

[RedSabine]

And administation? How would order be kept in the school?

Also, would politics be taught? It seems to me that the youth would have to be taught about the bougeois crimes to keep each generation class conscious? Once a classless society is built, it seems that the idea of class antagonisms and revolution would be alien and strange to them, say, 300 years after the revolution. Who's to say that capitalism won't be popular for teenagers who are naturally rebellious. WOuld we fight that, or would- owing to the anti-authoritarianism of the school system- it be ok?

[MrDoom]

Post-revolutionary school should be nothing like what it is today; instead of attempting to standardize people and grinding them though a completely standardized environment, it should be more about the individual person and the skills they want to develop for their vocation.

Informal education for skills of personal enjoyment or development should also be open.

[BobKKKindle$]

Educational Institutions under Capitalism are organised and structured in the same way as environments in which a commodity is produced; They are based on hierarchy in that Students have no contol over what or how they are taught and have to subject themselves to the orders of those above them with no oppurtunities to explore areas that interest them. The Classroom environment is itself authoritarian in structure, where students are often not allowed to discuss the material they are learning and have to subject themselves to examinations that test the ability of a student to memorise large quantities of information that interest the student in no way.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:11 pm
And administation? How would order be kept in the school?

Also, would politics be taught? It seems to me that the youth would have to be taught about the bougeois crimes to keep each generation class conscious? Once a classless society is built, it seems that the idea of class antagonisms and revolution would be alien and strange to them, say, 300 years after the revolution. Who's to say that capitalism won't be popular for teenagers who are naturally rebellious. WOuld we fight that, or would- owing to the anti-authoritarianism of the school system- it be ok?
1.) Order would be kept the same way it is with any workplace under worker control, with a workplace assembly. This way, the teachers would run the school and will decide on what is good for the school. They will set the tempo for the teaching of individuals.

2.) In addition to anti-reactionary laws being strictly enforced in a communist society, such as the banning of reactionary access to the means of communication and the banning of Capitalist literature unless they were edited to distinguish reality from fiction, the way human history is taught to individuals would also play a crucial role in preventing the re-development of such thought. It should be structured in a way that stops people from having any kind of illusions about Capitalism or any other kind of class society in general; instead, it would taught in such a fashion that it would force people to face the reality of those times and to think in a fashion that is in line with the interests of Communist society.

[Janus]

Previous threads on this topic:
Education in a post-rev society (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=52689&hl=school)

Schools (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=59521&hl=school)

School (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=39193&hl=school)

Unschooling (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=57086&hl=school)

Schools (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=49830&hl=school)