The middle class

[Lardlad95]

Karl Marx saaid that capitalism will eventually colapse because the workers will beome so lo paid they wont be able to afford the products they produce.

This theory would work except for the fact that the middle class exists in america.

With a middle class the rich don't need the poor to buy their products, yet the poor do then to add to it the Middle class does also.

Since most people in America are middle class people don't veiw anything wrong with society. They feel comfortable. They don't have to much wrong with their lives and they don't have to live like the bottom rung of society does.

If the US is ever to fall the Middle class has to either become rich or become poor.

The Rich have secured their saftey they have split the lower classes into two groupss.

No longer unified we are no longer a threat.

The two lower classes no longer have a common goal, taking the power from the rich.

The people need to be unified again, that is our only chance

[Nateddi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/...000/1763410.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1763000/1763410.stm)

[Ymir]

Communism would get a boost when we have another great depression in the U.S.

[Lardlad95]

yes communism will get a boost then.

Nateddi, I was really refferring mainly to the US but thanx for informing me. If this trend cntinues we could see more people becoming politicaly involved and angrier at the situation

[RGacky3]

the majority of americans are still proletarian, there may be a middle class but the majority are still proletarian. They just need to be informed about socialism to realize that their lives can get better and that socialism can help them.

[Lardlad95]

Can you show me the statistics that say that most americans are in the lowest class. Before I believe this I would like to see proof.

Not to question your judgement though

[Conghaileach]

This argument has been going on for a while now in the thread about the relevance of Marx in 2002.

[Michael De Panama]

Some middle class are bourgeois. Others are proletarian. This is what defines the middle class.

The US would not benefit from a Marxist revolution as much as the rest of the world would. The US practically is the embodiment of this world's bourgeoisie.

[Supermodel]

It looks to me as if the US is headed more for a religious showdown than an economic one. What divides Americans is not wealth but race and religion. These divides are much greater than many american think and to some degree have been ignored by politicians who keep trying to make wealth the issue.

[RGacky3]

http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/Stats_incpov.html

If you care to take the time, shows some income stats for the US.

http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/IncPov98.html

Heres some more proof of the proletariat in th4 U$

[Lardlad95]

thank you I'm reading them as we speak

[Lardlad95]

Hmm very interesting. I see that the poor have not been included in this so called economic boom and if you think about it they would be richer if they recovered from the early ninties recession.

Very good work

[Felicia]

This may sound a bit paranoid but I posted something here about 15 minutes ago, and it isn't here. weird, maybe I posted it somewhere else, oops.

anyway, it was something like this:
"The middle class is the stabilizing factor, well that's what I was taught in school anyway", actually, that is probably word-for-word :)

(Edited by felicia at 7:40 pm on July 9, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

the middle class isn't a tabalizing factor. Its security for the rich so that they don't have to worry about us going after what is rightfuly ours

[Felicia]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 8:44 pm on July 9, 2002
the middle class isn't a tabalizing factor. Its security for the rich so that they don't have to worry about us going after what is rightfuly ours

Exactly, it keeps the whole structure from colapsing

[Lardlad95]

thats not really what I meant.

the system is already failing the people the middle class is a dellusion. The middle class think they have it good when the gap is growing larger

[maoist3]

One of my organization's three cardinal principles
is that the super-exploitation of the Third World
has created a situation where the imperialists
buy out the white people of the major imperialist
countries.

The creation of the labor aristocracy petty-bourgeoisie
in the imperialist countries may stabilize those countries, but it also decreases the amount of surplus-value possible and thus de-stabilizes the system,
albeit in the Third World where the surplus-value is
extracted.