Only god can judge me...

[R_P_A_S]

what do you make of this scape goat? I used to believe in it. and used it.
So is it right for humans to judge each other? on what basis?

what do you guys think?

[MrDoom]

Judge? As in, analyze and hold an opinion of each other?

Criticism and self-criticism drive progress.

[RNK]

It is an easy out. A way for the user of this scapegoat to hide from his or her actions, and naturally, the consequences of their actions. In essence, it's the adult version of plugging one's ears and shouting "I'm not listening! I'm not listening!"

[R_P_A_S]

i agree. so then what is to be done to maybe.. not allowed them to 'scape" so fast. should we even try to judge them? should we care?

[R_P_A_S]

i guess what I'm also trying to ask is that under what basis are we to judge our fellow man. and what makes it right for us to judge others? on morals and principles? but under WHO's sets of morals and principles?

if that makes sense...

what do some of you say to someone when they are judging you when you MIGHT be wrong. for example maybe you beat the shit out of your sister, and you don't feel at all resentful.. your family tells you that is wrong and that you should feel ashamed and apologize. and you reply..
"ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME!" :blink:

[Eleutherios]

We humans judge each other all the time. And it's a damn good thing that we do. As a society, we need to make certain judgments about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable behavior. We are right to judge murderers and rapists as morally inferior people. If we did not question their morality, then there would be no basis for any kind of justice system to prevent and punish such actions.

The question is not whether or not we should judge the actions of other people, but rather what criteria we should be using. I'd say we should base our judgments on how much unnecessary harm they are knowingly causing for other people.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:27 am
We humans judge each other all the time. And it's a damn good thing that we do. As a society, we need to make certain judgments about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable behavior. We are right to judge murderers and rapists as morally inferior people. If we did not question their morality, then there would be no basis for any kind of justice system to prevent and punish such actions.

The question is not whether or not we should judge the actions of other people, but rather what criteria we should be using. I'd say we should base our judgments on how much unnecessary harm they are knowingly causing for other people.
like for example... judge your sister who drinks too much and nearly died and is causing her self palin and the family.. judge her?

but don't judge uncle joe because he likes to look at porn and is overweight?

i think those two are different cases.. what you guys say?

[Eleutherios]

Well yes, if your sister is knowingly causing pain in her family with her alcohol problem, then maybe she should be condemned for that. It depends on the circumstances though. If somebody is overweight and likes porn, well that's his business and if he's not hurting anybody else I don't see any reason to condemn that.

[freakazoid]

I'm curious to find out if you guys even believe in morals. I have heard before that some fo not, and in here some have brought up that they do.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:48 am
Well yes, if your sister is knowingly causing pain in her family with her alcohol problem, then maybe she should be condemned for that. It depends on the circumstances though. If somebody is overweight and likes porn, well that's his business and if he's not hurting anybody else I don't see any reason to condemn that.
let me give a REAL example. this is something that its going on with a friend of mine...

She is a 22 year old woman who is of an upper middle class family. However she likes "the bad boys" I don't think they are necessarily bad boys. They are middle class confused white kids who "dress ghetto" and are heavily into the "urban hip-hop culture" She is all about that scene and everything that it comes with.

-the slang
-the clothing and jewelry
-the whole "stop hatin' on me *****" mentality
and she thinks the guns and the crimes that this morons commit are cool.

She is just a rich girl who is attracted to "ghetto stuff" you feel me?
She just had a baby, 8 months ago. On her my space page she post numerous pictures of her baby. and along with pictures of her child she has pictures holding her current boyfriends drugs, knives, guns and flashing money. some of her pictures are of her half-naked and making out with her current boyfriends. (she has a new love of her life every month or so)

her every move, where she is going, what club she went to, where she will be is known because she announces them on My Space Bulletins. as well as her dislike for her father's son.. and her "nosey mother in law for being all up on her business!"

Keep in mind she has an infant child and the pictures of this baby are right up there along her half naked pics, and pics with drugs and weapons...

when some tells her.. "tammy what the fuck is wrong with you? your kid is not some object to flash around ont he internet. imagine if like social services sees those pictures!? what if someone wants to kidnap your son? they are going to know where you and him are. since you let the whole world know!, you are wrong! grow up!"

she replies with.. "as longest im taking care of my kid, aint no ones business what else i do, dont hate on me! only god can judge me"

so there... <_<

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+March 09, 2007 11:00 pm--> (R_P_A_S @ March 09, 2007 11:00 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 06:48 am
Well yes, if your sister is knowingly causing pain in her family with her alcohol problem, then maybe she should be condemned for that. It depends on the circumstances though. If somebody is overweight and likes porn, well that&#39;s his business and if he&#39;s not hurting anybody else I don&#39;t see any reason to condemn that.
let me give a REAL example. this is something that its going on with a friend of mine...

She is a 22 year old woman who is of an upper middle class family. However she likes "the bad boys" I don&#39;t think they are necessarily bad boys. They are middle class confused white kids who "dress ghetto" and are heavily into the "urban hip-hop culture" She is all about that scene and everything that it comes with.

-the slang
-the clothing and jewelry
-the whole "stop hatin&#39; on me *****" mentality
and she thinks the guns and the crimes that this morons commit are cool.

She is just a rich girl who is attracted to "ghetto stuff" you feel me?
She just had a baby, 8 months ago. On her my space page she post numerous pictures of her baby. and along with pictures of her child she has pictures holding her current boyfriends drugs, knives, guns and flashing money. some of her pictures are of her half-naked and making out with her current boyfriends. (she has a new love of her life every month or so)

her every move, where she is going, what club she went to, where she will be is known because she announces them on My Space Bulletins. as well as her dislike for her father&#39;s son.. and her "nosey mother in law for being all up on her business&#33;"

Keep in mind she has an infant child and the pictures of this baby are right up there along her half naked pics, and pics with drugs and weapons...

when some tells her.. "tammy what the fuck is wrong with you? your kid is not some object to flash around ont he internet. imagine if like social services sees those pictures&#33;? what if someone wants to kidnap your son? they are going to know where you and him are. since you let the whole world know&#33;, you are wrong&#33; grow up&#33;"

she replies with.. "as longest im taking care of my kid, aint no ones business what else i do, dont hate on me&#33; only god can judge me"

so there... <_< [/b]
Thats a problem because she is putting her child in the same situation. Putting your child around drugs, violence, and "ghetto" upperclass suburban kids is only going to get the child into the same situations. It glorifies the life of a drug dealer, which in reality, a drug dealer gets into the business not to be "cool," but to support himself or his family because in this society, it is so easy to just go out and sell a couple of sacks and make like &#036;400 bucks a day.

That "only god can judge me" is something that is derived from some bullshit person who just cannot take the truth. Ernest puts it perfectly well:


It is an easy out. A way for the user of this scapegoat to hide from his or her actions, and naturally, the consequences of their actions. In essence, it&#39;s the adult version of plugging one&#39;s ears and shouting "I&#39;m not listening&#33; I&#39;m not listening&#33;"

[Pirate Utopian]

i thought this was about the Tupac album. damn...

anyway, it&#39;s usually said by people who know their life is kinda messed up.
and so yes it&#39;s a scapegoat.
"so what if im addicted to drugs, a teenage-parent and im homeless, only god can judge me&#33;"

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 12, 2007 04:40 pm
i thought this was about the Tupac album. damn...

anyway, it&#39;s usually said by people who know their life is kinda messed up.
and so yes it&#39;s a scapegoat.
"so what if im addicted to drugs, a teenage-parent and im homeless, only god can judge me&#33;"
well.. what about if your life is not messed up. you are just strongly opinionated about something and when people don&#39;t see it like you. you just shrug your shoulder and say "only god can judge me then" lol

[freakazoid]

Do people really use that excuse alot?

[apathy maybe]

The idea that only "God" can judge someone is an inherently anarchistic idea. It is also obviously not true.

I can judge someone all I like, I judge people all the time, based on what they wear, what they look like, how loud their music is, even sometimes, the colour of their skin. Most of these judgements are complete bollocks. I know nothing about the person.

Once I learn more about them, I can make more judgements, and again often these are crap.


Anyway, they reason I say that the idea that only God can judge a person is anarchistic, is because it is a rejection of both the state (who takes it upon itself to judge people all the time), and of the authority of others over a person.

Christian anarchists (and proto-anarchists such as some Anabaptists and the Diggers) claim that that only God has dominion of men, and that as such, any attempt by man to enforce laws or so on is interfering in God&#39;s affairs.

Anyway, it is contradictory and irrational, and if anyone believes in God and is an anarchist, seriously drop God.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 13, 2007 05:18 pm


Anyway, they reason I say that the idea that only God can judge a person is anarchistic, is because it is a rejection of both the state (who takes it upon itself to judge people all the time), and of the authority of others over a person.

Christian anarchists (and proto-anarchists such as some Anabaptists and the Diggers) claim that that only God has dominion of men, and that as such, any attempt by man to enforce laws or so on is interfering in God&#39;s affairs.

Anyway, it is contradictory and irrational, and if anyone believes in God and is an anarchist, seriously drop God.
these are very good points comrade&#33; you got me thinking more about the state now. I mean you are right. think about how the states judges citizens. if they are criminals or not. I mean what&#39;s a mistake costing you? that you are label a criminal.. hmm take credit scores for example. here in the U.S. you are judge on numbers to determined if you can buy a home, a car, a damn bed for fuck sakes&#33;

but this "only god can judge me" It&#39;s more on a personal level. than lets say rejecting the states label on you. Im talking more about close family and friends. that you are judging and offering help to and they rant out with "only god can judge me"

[Pilar]

Only god can judge me...what do you make of this scape goat? I used to believe in it. and used it.

So is it right for humans to judge each other? on what basis?

what do you guys think?


Well there is a practical answer and phisophical one.

I can&#39;t do the philosophical one, but I can do the one that is practical.

People "judge" you all of the time, and probably keep it to themselves. It is possible you were withheld a benefit on the basis of a judgment, and will never know because you will not be told.

If you ask Mary to the school dance and she says, "No," it is very possible that she did so because she made a judgment about you, but, out of courtesy, said nothing to you beyond the &#39;no&#39;. I mean, why really follow it up with telling you that you&#39;re too fat for her, or not attractive from her point of view, or you don&#39;t "measure up" to her standards. :)

Does Mary have a "right" to do this to you? Bottom line: who cares? There&#39;s nothing you can do about it. How many jobs have you not received; grades did you receive an unfair mark for better deserving work; how many times were you chosen toward the end of the group for basketball?

Regardlesss of any criterion that is published or unpublished, most people believe that an unfair judgment has caused them to fail to receive a benefit. When we figure out how to read minds, I suspect we&#39;ll end a lot of such injustice (and open up another can of worms).


Now, on to the more important one, or at least the one that effects you.

Being raised in America, I&#39;ll use American concepts. I don&#39;t think they&#39;ll differ too much from socialist principles, and some of you may correct me if I sound too cappie:

The ability to judge another person stems not from a "right", but power. In the USA, the government has powers. And ultimately, the power to do something harmful to your body (or, in cappieland, to your possessions) is ALL the state/Revolutionary forces really have to correct some of your anti-social behavior.

I am someone who believes that the end of property will not solve all problems of the human condition. One who kills, or rapes, or assaults another should be either corrected, or removed from society at large.

Some group or some person will ultimately make such a decision about the body of the person who did the harm, and that is called, in America, a judgment. Argue about rights all you want, but if you&#39;re put in prison for fire bombing your neighbor&#39;s home, your rights are what ever your jailors allow you.

It is power, not rights, that places you into your cell, or requires you to give up your weekend to clean a highway instead of watch football. The basis for such power is (not to get too Star Trekkie on you, but...) that the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.)

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 13, 2007 05:18 pm
The idea that only "God" can judge someone is an inherently anarchistic idea. It is also obviously not true.

I can judge someone all I like, I judge people all the time, based on what they wear, what they look like, how loud their music is, even sometimes, the colour of their skin. Most of these judgements are complete bollocks. I know nothing about the person.

Once I learn more about them, I can make more judgements, and again often these are crap.


Anyway, they reason I say that the idea that only God can judge a person is anarchistic, is because it is a rejection of both the state (who takes it upon itself to judge people all the time), and of the authority of others over a person.

Christian anarchists (and proto-anarchists such as some Anabaptists and the Diggers) claim that that only God has dominion of men, and that as such, any attempt by man to enforce laws or so on is interfering in God&#39;s affairs.

Anyway, it is contradictory and irrational, and if anyone believes in God and is an anarchist, seriously drop God.
I would have to disagree. The idea that only God can judge somebody is not anarchistic. To these people, God is a form of authority, an archon. It is inherently archistic to believe in a supreme ruler of the universe who has the authority to judge everybody and mete out reward and punishment as he sees fit.