blame capitalism...

[R_P_A_S]

the more questions I have regarding current human attitude, addictions, mentality and other acts and habits.. the more I realize lots of this things exist because of Capitalism. maybe not so capitalism it self. but in a way since it is the society we live in and it feeds this things and we grow up in it knowing only what it teaches us and what we experience.. etc.

It's crazy how we don't really think about it. like average people. my self for a while included. Lots of the answers to human problems and attitude has to do with our environment.. wouldn't you say?

but how far can we go into blaming capitalism society for its negative effects on people?

[RebelDog]

the more questions I have regarding current human attitude, addictions, mentality and other acts and habits.. the more I realize lots of this things exist because of Capitalism. maybe not so capitalism it self. but in a way since it is the society we live in and it feeds this things and we grow up in it knowing only what it teaches us and what we experience.. etc.

Well capitalists and their lackeys would like us all to think that society exists outside their realm of operations. They like to think capitals are amoral and they exist to provide profit for shareholders and everything else in society is just people acting outwith whatever mode of production is in use. They have a non-materialist view. We as marxists have a materialist view and conclude that history and the present society is inextricably linked with the mode of production we have in force. We have capitalism and we have to say, that because of that, we have the social problems that a capitalist society brings. Capitalism is based on class and class means conflict. I am to a great degree what I am because I was born and live in the capitalist epoch as a worker and the son of a worker. Being determines conciousness.


It's crazy how we don't really think about it. like average people. my self for a while included. Lots of the answers to human problems and attitude has to do with our environment.. wouldn't you say?


I would say, yes. Our mutual environment is capitalism and we both have come here to discuss its desruction. Why is that? Because we see that the problems of society are not removed from capitalism, but because of it.


but how far can we go into blaming capitalism society for its negative effects on people?


I think that humans are like different people if they are acting collectively and without the strain of competition for resources. If we had a communist society we would have removed the competitive strain of a capitalist society. Compared with what is possible in a communist world we should blame capitalism for basically everything and thank it for bringing together the class that will destroy it.

[BreadBros]

The insight of Marx and of materialism itself is that all of our world is shaped by economic production. The economic structure of our society has a penetrating influence on all aspects of our life. Obviously not every social ill can be blamed on capitalism, some things exist because of human psychology, etc. However when it comes to the structure and operation of our world, it does come down to the economic structure. Of course you have to remember that capitalism has also brought about positive things to when compared to past economic structures.

[Raúl Duke]

Some negative effects are not created by capitalism, yet these negative effects that don't come from capitalism still thrive because it is derived from class society; since capitalism creates classes it continues to support these negative effects from the past.

Yes, environment (or what is called "nurture") plays a very important part in our development, our views of society, etc.

However, I really don't know the limits of what you can blame capitalism for and what you cannot....

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 02:52 am
The insight of Marx and of materialism itself is that all of our world is shaped by economic production. The economic structure of our society has a penetrating influence on all aspects of our life. Obviously not every social ill can be blamed on capitalism, some things exist because of human psychology, etc. However when it comes to the structure and operation of our world, it does come down to the economic structure. Of course you have to remember that capitalism has also brought about positive things to when compared to past economic structures.

Obviously not every social ill can be blamed on capitalism, some things exist because of human psychology, etc.

Name some social ills that are not because of capitalism.


Of course you have to remember that capitalism has also brought about positive things to when compared to past economic structures.

What positive things?

[Janus]

Name some social ills that are not because of capitalism.
Issues such as abuse (spiritual, sexual,and many other varieties), racism, and discrimination arose before capitalism.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:51 am

Name some social ills that are not because of capitalism.
Issues such as abuse (spiritual, sexual,and many other varieties), racism, and discrimination arose before capitalism.
how exactly did racism and discrimination come from capitalism?

[Janus]

how exactly did racism and discrimination come from capitalism?
That's not what I said though I do agree that capitalism does certainly help to perpetuate them to a degree.

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+March 09, 2007 09:55 pm--> (R_P_A_S @ March 09, 2007 09:55 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 05:51 am

Name some social ills that are not because of capitalism.
Issues such as abuse (spiritual, sexual,and many other varieties), racism, and discrimination arose before capitalism.
how exactly did racism and discrimination come from capitalism? [/b]
I think he meant before Capitalism.

I think we can blame Capitalism for the poverty of people of course, the exploitation, the selfishness of people; the most obvious. What I think what people fail to realize is that the stupidity(or ignorance, which ever you prefer) of people can also be a cause of Capitalism. Why you ask? Well one, education is promoted to be on of the most important things in society, yet in a society that is based around money, that is all people really care about, or that is all they rely on. Peers at my school always express that they want a good paying job so they can live comfortable. What are their choices? An electrician, plumbers, even a UPS driver.(Not that there is anything wrong with that) Why? Because those are some of the better careers that pay well. But when asked if that is what they really want to do, they respond," For 40 dollars an hour I’ll do whatever they want." Also, I believe research (for medicinal, scientific or philosophical studies) can only go as far as money takes them which is a problem in our advancement in society.

[colorlessman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:51 am

Name some social ills that are not because of capitalism.
Issues such as abuse (spiritual, sexual,and many other varieties), racism, and discrimination arose before capitalism.
Well, didn't all these ills begin because of the division of labour? People wanted something to justify their status, power, ownership.

[Janus]

No, not necessarily. Besides, the division of labor precedes capitalism as well though it was capitalism that brought it to unprecedented heights.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:31 am
No, not necessarily. Besides, the division of labor precedes capitalism as well though it was capitalism that brought it to unprecedented heights.
Yep, under feaudalism, society was broken down into a number of denominations all ruled over by the nobility
I agree with Janus, capitalism has created many problems, and it has worsened others
Male chauvinism predates capitalism, for it was a common aspect of ancient and in some places modern society for women to be considered property as if they were beasts of burden
Homosexuality is condemned and denounced in the Bible years b4 capitalism fully developed
Nationalism is another aspect of society that was celebrated in among the ancient world
All these things worsened as most of the world adopted and promoted capitalism