Drug dealers and such...

[R_P_A_S]

I was talking to my friend and she had a question about Drug Dealers and the cartels..

"what makes the communist and socialist think that these guys, the drug lords the mobsters are going to give up so easy and want to settle to "work for the revolution" and be all happy with socialism if they were used to getting by easy and making millions with drugs."

"in general how is socialism going to combat drug abuse, addiction and sales? etc etc..


thank you!

[Political_Chucky]

I think we discussed this in a previous thread of yours,Prison Gangs (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=63598) but hey no problem.

Well first off, as Breadbros. mention in the other thread, the abolishment of the drug prohibition would greatly effect the price of Marijuana, Cocaine, and other drugs. Drugs would be able to be legally grown and with Marijuana an easy plant to grow and able to replant in the same soil with out effecting the nutrition(not sure about others such as shrooms or cocaine) then it would be relatively easy to obtain. In addition, If true communism is implemented, money would not be an issue. With money not an issue, there is no reason for the need to "buy" drugs per say.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 07:10 am
I think we discussed this in a previous thread of yours,Prison Gangs (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=63598) but hey no problem.

Well first off, as Breadbros. mention in the other thread, the abolishment of the drug prohibition would greatly effect the price of Marijuana, Cocaine, and other drugs. Drugs would be able to be legally grown and with Marijuana an easy plant to grow and able to replant in the same soil with out effecting the nutrition(not sure about others such as shrooms or cocaine) then it would be relatively easy to obtain. In addition, If true communism is implemented, money would not be an issue. With money not an issue, there is no reason for the need to "buy" drugs per say.
lol i started that thread.
what about drug addiction?

[phoenixoftime]

what about drug addiction?

By implementing education on safe drug usage and comprehensive, nationalized rehabilitation services rather than locking people up.

Also, if people are filling their days with vocations they enjoy and are able to freely access recreation such as sporting facilities, cinemas, libraries, the Fine Arts, etc., you're going to have a population which is a lot less stressed. Add to this a mental health system that *actually works*, there's fewer reasons to hit the drink or drugs than there is today.

[redcannon]

also, it is theorized that by simply legalizing the stuff, drug addiction rates would lower. its the same mentality that the US has very high alcholism rates and their legal drinking age is 21, while countries with a legal drinking age of 18 have a lower percentage of alcoholics.

i imagine the same would happen with drugs. Weed is more legal in amsterdam, but a higher percentage of americans smoke it, even though it is illegal.

[comrade_x]

I think this is a really good question...........

as far as the drug cartels they would become non-existant due to the fact the governmet would control all farm land and they"cartels" would not have control over the "crops"

now we get to the mafia........i'm sure they would find other means of genarating "wealth" as they would use blackmarket currency "diamonds" to conduct there business..

The mafia is known to adapt to changing situations

[Vargha Poralli]

now we get to the mafia........i'm sure they would find other means of genarating "wealth" as they would use blackmarket currency "diamonds" to conduct there business..

What business they would "conduct" in a supposed communist society where the practice would be "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"


The mafia is known to adapt to changing situations

You are too much fetished with it.

[comrade_x]

What business they would "conduct" in a supposed communist society where the practice would be "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

because there will always be people who want "more" and there will always be people who will "accomadate" them

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 05:00 pm
also, it is theorized that by simply legalizing the stuff, drug addiction rates would lower. its the same mentality that the US has very high alcholism rates and their legal drinking age is 21, while countries with a legal drinking age of 18 have a lower percentage of alcoholics.

i imagine the same would happen with drugs. Weed is more legal in amsterdam, but a higher percentage of americans smoke it, even though it is illegal.
so even make cocaine and heroin legal? why is it illegal in the 1st place? I know is because the government cant make money off it. so why dont they sell it?

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+March 09, 2007 09:29 am--> (R_P_A_S @ March 09, 2007 09:29 am)
[email protected] 09, 2007 05:00 pm
also, it is theorized that by simply legalizing the stuff, drug addiction rates would lower. its the same mentality that the US has very high alcholism rates and their legal drinking age is 21, while countries with a legal drinking age of 18 have a lower percentage of alcoholics.

i imagine the same would happen with drugs. Weed is more legal in amsterdam, but a higher percentage of americans smoke it, even though it is illegal.
so even make cocaine and heroin legal? why is it illegal in the 1st place? I know is because the government cant make money off it. so why dont they sell it? [/b]
Honestly, I don't know why cocaine is illegal. It’s a stimulant almost identical to caffeine, something many people fail to realize. Cocaine however does have more physical and mental effects which is why it is looked down on. But as with any drug moderation is necessary to keep your cool. A widely known fact is that Coca-Cola even have Cocaine in its drink for the first decades it was out, which is why it uses caffeine as a substitute. If I recall, it was even sold by a U.S. Manufacturer into cigarettes, though I forget the name of the company. But yea, cocaine can be abused just like any other drug and can also be used for medicinal purposes. I honestly don't know why it was first outlawed, though it probably has some racism or discrimination behind it, such as with Marijuana.

I personally don't really see the whole big deal with cocaine. The effects clearly do make you more aware of your surroundings and even helped with doing homework, but I never got addicted. People who abuse the drug were probably the ones who fell under that category.

*edit* Almost forget about Heroin. I believe it derives from Opium, but its not a natural drug. I personally don't know much about it, but from what a lot of my friends have told me its highly addictive and can really fuck up your life. I would really like more information on this as well.

[Janus]

I know is because the government cant make money off it. so why dont they sell it?
Some governments are engaged in the drug trade. As for why the state was able to prohibit it, it's because there wasn't much of a lobby to defend its legalization, no legal corporations were making money off of such drugs. Tobacco and caffeine are different matters however.

[Ezekiel]

China had the only successful drug rahab program in history. By changing the society as a whole, 50 million opium addicts got clean.
But for now, most cocaine and heroin comes through CIA involved channels. The guys that push it are ultimately serving imperialism just to get by. No one wants to be a drug dealer, save the isolated white suburban teenager with no identity who listens to corporate 'hip hop' and thinks that represents black culture.

[which doctor]

Drug dealers and cartels simply wouldn't be needed, much like the bourgeoisie wouldn't be needed post-revolution. Since drugs would be legal, there would be no need to clandestinely smuggle drugs across borders and such.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:58 pm
Drug dealers and cartels simply wouldn't be needed, much like the bourgeoisie wouldn't be needed post-revolution. Since drugs would be legal, there would be no need to clandestinely smuggle drugs across borders and such.
if drugs become legal.. wouldn't you say there would be easier to get. and you will have a society full of crack heads and cocaine addicts? etc?

BUT then again.. WHY DO THESE PEOPLE become addicts IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Is it safe to assume that most of the addicts are people who live in the ghettos?
low-middle class families in areas with high unemployment rates? and crime?
Little opportunity?

Then again..there's lots of upper class kids who become addicted to drugs. while they have a privilege life at home. they choose to get hooked on heavy drugs???

[Political_Chucky]

if drugs become legal.. wouldn't you say there would be easier to get. and you will have a society full of crack heads and cocaine addicts? etc?

Well I think an age limit would still be necessary to insure that there wouldn't be a bunch of cracked out kids. I think kids would need to be educated first then when the age is right, drugs could and should be a choice, not forced or prohibited by law. This would definitely reduce the number of adults addicted to any drug.




BUT then again.. WHY DO THESE PEOPLE become addicts IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Is it safe to assume that most of the addicts are people who live in the ghettos?
low-middle class families in areas with high unemployment rates? and crime?
Little opportunity?

Addiction could be for a number of reasons. Depression probably being the #1 reason. people in ghettos are probably more prone to this. Partying is another reason, but whether or not this would lead to more addicts is a question I have wondered. The #1 drugs that have really affected lower class or poverty stricken people have to be Crack cocaine and Marijuana because of the relative ease to make it and distribute it. But I doubt crack would be necessary in post-revolution because 1.) it is highly more addictive then regular coke and 2.) The effects are faster, but don't last as long. Crack is really the poor mans drug so it wouldn't really be necessary I think. Marijuana on the other hand is not addictive at all since there are no withdrawal symptoms.

[which doctor]

if drugs become legal.. wouldn't you say there would be easier to get. and you will have a society full of crack heads and cocaine addicts? etc?
Well, drugs would be easier to get, but that doesn't mean we'd have a society full of addicts. In fact, we already have a society of addicts with large amounts of people addicted to nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, etc.
http://callmeanxious.wordpress.com/2007/02...cal-dependence/ (http://callmeanxious.wordpress.com/2007/02/27/drug-addictionchemical-dependence/)



Is it safe to assume that most of the addicts are people who live in the ghettos?
low-middle class families in areas with high unemployment rates? and crime?
Little opportunity?
No, it's not safe to assume that. Addicts come from all walks of life. It's just that the wealthy find it much easier to hide their addictions since they can more easily acquire the drug due to their money, while the poorer addicts have to resort to lives of crime to support their addictions.


Then again..there's lots of upper class kids who become addicted to drugs. while they have a privilege life at home. they choose to get hooked on heavy drugs???
No one chooses to become addicted to drugs, it's an unfortunate side-effect of some drugs.