Bullfighting/Cockfighting

[Mazdak]

When is spain going to stop these barbaric sports (bullfighting). I always cheer when i hear about a bullfighter getting killed by a bull.
Hey- what kind of fucking sport is this? the BULL CANT WIN?!?! if it loses, it dies, if it kills the bullfighter, it dies. That is like have "god mode" on in some video game and caling yourself the greatest player. and in spain there are even worse things done than bullfighting!


And Cuba has let these stupid cult religions legally exist. I saw some stupid asshole sacrifice a chicken to some stupid deity so he could become a santero. He should be sent to hard labor. Dog fighting goes on in Cuba to now. What is happening to the old dreams? Why are they deteriorating? This wouldn't have been allowed anywhere else.

[Michael De Panama]

I agree with you.

[Mazdak]

lol, quick and simply way to respond "i agree with u", i like it

[hXcPetey]

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upl...oad/matador.jpg (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/matador.jpg)


checkit out

[Michael De Panama]

Hey, what else can I say?

[Mazdak]

"I agree with you, oh wise and godlike Mazdak"

[suffianr]

Well, Mazdak, there's lots of stupid ppl out there who have nothing better to do with their spare time...

[Borincano]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:54 pm on June 25, 2002
"I agree with you, oh wise and godlike Mazdak"


LOL! Yup, that's a good response. ;)

(Edited by Borincano at 11:54 pm on June 26, 2002)

[Mazdak]

Then Damn yo BORICANO SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and these people should all be shot. I dont care what anyone says, forcing a dog to kill another dog is worse than killing the dog outright. alll these scum should be take to laboratories where they can save the lives of thousands of rats by taking the place of teh rats and chimps in experiments

[Xvall]

I don't like the sport either..
But I'm just saying -
I can beat ANY bull or ANY chicken that challanges me, because I am ever so mighty and great!

[Mazdak]

Uh, i think i coiuld take on the chicken too.

Hey, why dont we legalize Gladiator death matches!!!!!
that would be great. and unlike stupid wrestling, it would be real!!!

[Moskitto]

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/matador.jpg

OWWWWWWWWWWWWWW, I wanted to see that about as much as I wanted to see the diagram of how to disect a testicle.

My mum used to live in Spain and she's seen some Bullfighting live, she says it isn't as bad as people say it is and sometimes it's exciting to watch because the matador only just survives. It's cultural differences.

Cockfighting is not the same as bullfighting. In cockfighting there's 2 chickens fighting each other not a human fighting a chicken. People bet on who's going to win. It's illegal in most places but people often fight other animals such as badgers in a similar way. Cockfighting is just wrong, moreso than Bullfighting.

[Mazdak]

Yes, but in Spain, you get to pull of a goose's head on horseback with your bare hand to show that you have reached "manhood." Bullfighting is a fillthy remnant of Roman days and unless you advocate a return to Roman practices, Bullfighting should not be allowed. It should be banned, and those who continue it should be executed on the spot.

The excuse in Spain is that "boxing is just as bad" Bullshit!!! Boxing is fought between two people who have agreed to fight and each have an EQUAL chance of victory. And entering the boxing ring doesn't mean you are automatically going to "kill or be killled."

[Kilian]

I have been a vegetarian for about 3 years now and Mazdak, I agree with you.

[timbaly]

I've actually seen badger fighting in the montains of viginia, in hill billy country. My family was driving through the mountains and we saw a lot of people gathering so we stopped to look. It was incredibly gruesome. I don't understand how people can watch these things.

[thebigcom]

Listen i can understand the wrongs of bullfighting, it is a unusually cruel form of entertainment, but who gives a shit about chickens? seriously, man are you out of your fucking mind, its a chicken; the dumbest organism on earth next to plankton. you can oppose the unecessary cruelty of animal, but dont become a bleeding heart liberal

[Anonymous]

Custom is an incredibally hard thing to put a stop to, if your brought up with the experience of something you wont be opposed to it generally. Ive never seen a real bull fight although i am opposed to it until i can form an opinion based upon first hand experiences.

[Mazdak]

Bigcom- actually you are thinking of the Turkey, and you are saying it is OK to torture an animal becuase it isnt smart?? That is fair and rather perverted. It does not matter if it is completely stupid or a great genius, it is STILL A LIFE!!!!

[Anonymous]

A chicken genius? A Turkey philosopher? Interesting thought.

[AladdinSane]

Quote: from thebigcom on 3:42 am on July 6, 2002
Listen i can understand the wrongs of bullfighting, it is a unusually cruel form of entertainment, but who gives a shit about chickens? seriously, man are you out of your fucking mind, its a chicken; the dumbest organism on earth next to plankton. you can oppose the unecessary cruelty of animal, but dont become a bleeding heart liberal


Plankton fighting! It's microscopic entertainment for the whole family!
But on a more serious note...
Watching any two things kill eachother (animal vs. animal or human vs. animal) just doesn't appeal to me.

[Anonymous]

No animals, no humans. Has to be plant fighting. I could kick a daisys arse if i could find it.

[Mazdak]

well, they already have flea circuses, why not flea vs. tick or something??
But these are all foolish ideas, gladiator combat is still the only moral activity of all the above named.

[Mazdak]

well, they already have flea circuses, why not flea vs. tick or something??
But these are all foolish ideas, gladiator combat is still the only moral activity of all the above named.

[pseudo christ]

ever been to bali, dog fights and cock fights are a part of every day life. It's so sad :/ I wouldn't mind seeing chickens bred to attack people and pitting the chicken against the owner....same for bulls...

[Mazdak]

Ah, but when the bull kills the bullfighter, he gets killed. talk aobut fair gaming.

[ID2002]

put the damn owners in the ring with a Black Angus BULL or a shit load of mad Roosters, and see who or what wins. It would be a sight to be hold.

Stop animal abuse!

[Mazdak]

More power to ID2002!!

[suffianr]

5 people were recently gored on the third day of the San Fermin festival in Pamplona, Spain. Twats. Well deserved, methinks.

[thebigcom]

mazdak its a tradition, animals are sacrificed, i'd rather have it that waythen the ancient ways of human sacrifice. you aint gonna stop it so dont whine about. tradition is tradition, your complaint doesnt amount to jack shit to people who belive that sacrificing an animal will save their crops.

[boadicea88]

Right. It's a tradition. Some traditions are very outdated, however. Besides, by now bullfighting/cockfighting/dogfighting is just a 'sport', they do it for money and sadistic entertainment.

And oh wise and godlike Mazdak ;) ROCK ON!! Same to Micheal de Panama.

(Edited by boadicea88 at 10:57 pm on July 25, 2002)


(Edited by boadicea88 at 11:01 pm on July 25, 2002)


(Edited by boadicea88 at 11:05 pm on July 25, 2002)

[Mazdak]

wow, someone actually acknowledged me finally for who i am. And fuck tradition!! Ban it. I dont give a shit if this guy thinks killing 100 ducks is going to save an apple from worms!! BAN it OUTLAW IT!!

[boadicea88]

YES! FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME!!! (on banning tradition)

(Edited by boadicea88 at 7:51 pm on July 26, 2002)

[Mazdak]

good, at least no stupid gun toting idiots tried to defend filthy murderous "bullfighters"

[Lefty]

lol i agree o godlike and wise mazdak

gladitorial combat would be interesting though. Perhaps instead of death row, we could have that! im sure bushie would love to sit there in his robe and eat grapes...heh heh im picturing it now.

[canikickit]

who cares? actually, youse obviously, but why?

[Lefty]

i dunno, it just seems barbaric to kill for fun. Its not the most pressing issue, but still interesting to talk about.

[canikickit]

Bull, which are bred to be in Bullfights anyway...so why does it matter? Bulls are assholes anyway we're the best, so we can do what we want, kill the bull, cut its throat.....chicken fighting is actually good for you, they release certain gases into their immediate proximity when they get pissed off, and people present at these fights inhale the gas, which causes them to live longer...

[Mazdak]

That is the most retarded shit i have ever heard. What the hell are you, some witch doctor from the dark ages?!

So, using that logic you are saying that killing for pleasure is fine. I am bored. I think i'll rob a bank and shoot everyone inside. And no one can harm me, i am doing it for pleasure.

"Bulls are assholes, we're the best" wow, pure genius arguments there.

And gladiator fighting then should also be legal, according to you, then

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from thebigcom on 6:42 pm on July 5, 2002
Listen i can understand the wrongs of bullfighting, it is a unusually cruel form of entertainment, but who gives a shit about chickens? seriously, man are you out of your fucking mind, its a chicken; the dumbest organism on earth next to plankton. you can oppose the unecessary cruelty of animal, but dont become a bleeding heart liberal

Given that statement, I would assume that you are closer to the intellectual level of plankton than a chicken. Chickens feel just as much pain as bulls or humans. Sticking them in the ring to tear the shit out of each other for entertainment proves what morons some people can be. How would you like it if someone hung you upside down from your testicles for entertainment, simply because they're smarter than you?

As for tradition, since when did we base our society on tradition? The only way society stays alive is through advancements, proggression, and evolution. It's more important that we continue our culture rather than preserve our culture endlessly. This is a really lame excuse.

And let me just let you know, Mazdak is far from being considered liberal. I think it's kind of neat that me and the Stalinist are on the same side for this issue. Touching, huh?

[boadicea88]

Quote: from canikickit on 11:51 am on July 31, 2002
Bulls are assholes anyway we're the best, so we can do what we want[...]
....chicken fighting is actually good for you, they release certain gases into their immediate proximity when they get pissed off, and people present at these fights inhale the gas, which causes them to live longer...


Did you think about that before you wrote it? So you're saying that you can do whatever you want to someone who is an asshole (compared to you) because you're better than they are? WHO decides this? And who gives them the right to say that? Hmmm. I wonder? Personally, I think the bull is better than you. You sound an awful lot like a Nazi to me... Anyone else agree?

Cockfighting is good for you? Where the hell did that crawl out from? Bush's homepage, or your own drugged-out imagination?! It also seems to me that the 'people' who are present at these fights are exactly the kind we DON'T want to live longer.

BTW, how old are you, anyhow? You can't be any more than 4 or 5. Shithead. Shame on your parents for putting such stupid ideas into your undeveloped mind.

[Lardlad95]

YOu people are *****in about some fuckin bullfighting and cock fighting. But you know what is really barbaric?

That fuckin Pokemon shit.

That fuckin cartoon or game or what ever the hell they are marketing to millions of kids teaches kids to force exotic animals to kill each other.


Watch an episode of that shit, teaching kids that animals should beat the living shit out of each other.


Its evil and must be stopped.

[boadicea88]

Quote: from thebigcom on 10:42 am on July 5, 2002
[...] who gives a shit about chickens? seriously, man are you out of your fucking mind, its a chicken; the dumbest organism on earth next to plankton.


"With increased knowledge of the behaviour and cognitive abilities of the chicken, has come the realization that the chicken is not an inferior species to be treated merely as a food source."

- Lesley J. Rogers, PhD

I might add that the same goes for fighting them. So that's two people who give a shit about chickens. And I doubt that we're the only two.

(Edited by boadicea88 at 5:02 pm on Aug. 2, 2002)

[Mazdak]

Thank you MDP, it seems terrifying yet interesting that we agree.

And Lardlad!! I have always thought of that. I swear it is sick. you catch this thing and force it to kick the crap outta its fellow creatures or get its ass kicked. it is gross.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:26 am on Aug. 3, 2002
Thank you MDP, it seems terrifying yet interesting that we agree.

And Lardlad!! I have always thought of that. I swear it is sick. you catch this thing and force it to kick the crap outta its fellow creatures or get its ass kicked. it is gross.

finally someone replied.

I personally think the whole thing reeks of evil

I mean people used to tell me it was evil but I was like whatever but then when I saw the show I was like why the fuck is this weird white kid (he's supposed to be japenese) forcinga frog with a lump on its back to beat the shit out of a giant insect?

These muthafuckas go into the woods and just start beatin the shit out of some wild dogs that were minding their own damn buisness.


Pokemon is the spawn of the US and those Japense people that try to be white....oops I mean hell...well same thing

[Mazdak]

seriously... it is like, "i am not going to get hurt but i want you to kick the crap out of that giant firebreathing creature after i enslaved you and crammed you into a ball. You are now going to fight for me, even if it is against your parents or siblings!!"

And no one sees it? It is like saying I think i will start forcing puppys to attack their mother, just to win some stupid badge.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 6:51 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
seriously... it is like, "i am not going to get hurt but i want you to kick the crap out of that giant firebreathing creature after i enslaved you and crammed you into a ball. You are now going to fight for me, even if it is against your parents or siblings!!"

And no one sees it? It is like saying I think i will start forcing puppys to attack their mother, just to win some stupid badge.


Finally another person gets it

Poke Master: Rex, attack that poodle

Rex: but its my best friend

Poke Master: did I ask you to speak? Get back in the damn ball you do this again and I'm gonna feed you to a dragon

Poke Master( crams rex back in the ball and releases a electric rat): attack (the rat bites the poodle)

[canikickit]

go neiri an bothar leat, motherfuckers!

[canikickit]

cad e an fadbh? nil siad ach bo agus sicini, its not really that big a deal.

[boadicea88]

Ditto. Not that I know what you said... I've run out of arguments.

[Marxist1848]

Quote: from thebigcom on 5:56 am on July 26, 2002
mazdak its a tradition, animals are sacrificed, i'd rather have it that waythen the ancient ways of human sacrifice. you aint gonna stop it so dont whine about. tradition is tradition, your complaint doesnt amount to jack shit to people who belive that sacrificing an animal will save their crops.


You obviously have to be very stupid or you cant think of any other way to defend the subject. I think you should shut up now because you are strongly out argued.

Also these sports are a pathetic example of what a country stands for. So in the bullfighting case, it represents Spain as this hugely barbaric country living in the dark ages. I dont know too much about Spain so I dont know if this is actually what it is like there, but I get that impresasion when you think of what is going on there. Another thing...you say "i'd rather have that than human sacrifice" well...with animal secrifice/torture/bloodsport comes human secrifice/torture/bloodsport. They go hand in hand. My dad is a cruelty investigator for the ASPCA and although they only work in NY, he sees a crap load of cockfighting. Not only is this cruelty to be investigated, but with cockfighting comes drug dealing, gangs, murders, and illegal fire arms and many other things illegal in Ny. It is a huge ordeal when they investigate because the NYPD always needs to help them. I say abolish it all! and anyone found guilty of it should be skinned, rolled in salt, sundried, and fed to bulls! We might as well let the animals get their revenge also! And about pokemon... go to http://www.freeyourstress.com/pokemonisrub...sh/index2.shtml (http://www.freeyourstress.com/pokemonisrubbish/index2.shtml) to take out your anger!

(Edited by Marxist1848 at 6:01 pm on Aug. 7, 2002)

[Anonymous]

I still think we should start a vegetable fighting competition.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 5:55 pm on Aug. 7, 2002
I still think we should start a vegetable fighting competition.


we should I'm pretty sure some og the new geneticaly enhanced Vegetables are smarter than some people here

[Anonymous]

lol.

[canikickit]

I haveas much respect for potatoes as I have for Chickens. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Schmucks.

[Mazdak]

your the schmuck pal.

[Marxist1848]

Quote: from canikickit on 6:58 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
I haveas much respect for potatoes as I have for Chickens. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Schmucks.


Well, if you have no respect for chickens ... howabout living on just these potatoes you care so dearly about. How would you like tha, eating potatoes everyday for everymeal. Not to apitizing. I think you should appreciate chickens more than you do now. Maybe because of the fact that they feed you and the majority of people on EARTH. Well with what you said..why dont you go start a chicken genocide....this way more people will starve. And while your at it go kill those turkeys. I mean if you hate the chickens why not hate other raised for food birds.

[pastradamus]

HAHA,did anybody ever see that episode of the simpsons where theres this guy at the vet,

this isnt exactly it but its pretty close to what happens

vets assistant:Good news,we managed to save your gamecock,but sadly he'll never fight again.

GUY:Your wrong,he'll fight,he'll fight & he'll win!

lmao

[glamgirl610]

bullfighting is meany meany! they kill the poor bulll :( its not fair. killing animals for sport is wrong, i'd only kill an animal if i had to because i needed meat to survive. i think killing animals is bad, although i do eat meat, i buy it at the grocery store i dont watch the poor animal being killed. its so sad :(
~Dana~
ps....sorry if i'm a lil off the point lol.

[Mazdak]

? You truly need to learn a new word in place of "mean." Is everyone mean?

[boadicea88]

Glamgirl, do you have a brain?

[Nateddi]

her post obviously proves that she has a good heart :)

nonetheless she is overall in critical conditions caused by capitalist materialism ;)

[Lardlad95]

Hey lets not judge....I mean she could be like a totally cool socialist who is like really helping people into all that good stuff ya know?

I mean we really need to get out there and help those people who are like poor...and like can't get quality lipgloss.

Cuz we all know the worst crime in the world is when a girl who's selling her body to get money in Thailand can't get like that totally cool strawberry kiwi lip gloss.

Am I right? Well kisses and hugs people Friends is on and I gotta go talk to Eden before she talks to Jason and tells her what happened in history class? Like OK?

Bye bye bye :)

Glamgirl, I'm just kiddin wit you though, I just hope that post wasn't the summit of your knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Leave the animals alone! worry with the people! Who cares for some stupid bulls when people die from hunger and war? when the human rights are respected in the world then i will worry with the animals!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from the anarchist on 10:56 pm on Aug. 18, 2002
Leave the animals alone! worry with the people! Who cares for some stupid bulls when people die from hunger and war? when the human rights are respected in the world then i will worry with the animals!

good point

[Mazdak]

People die from hunger and war- because of people

the animals die because of people too. What makes us so great? the fact that we can destroy the planet and are doing so? why are we controlling the lives of other species?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 6:28 pm on Aug. 19, 2002
People die from hunger and war- because of people

the animals die because of people too. What makes us so great? the fact that we can destroy the planet and are doing so? why are we controlling the lives of other species?

the thing is though that cows and chickens aren't endangered. If they were we couldn't eat them.

ANimals kill other animals, we are animals why cant we?

[Anonymous]

Its the law of the jungle, the strong species dominate the weaker species. Lions hold the power of life and death over thier prey as do we. We're just much more efficient at regulating the prey.

[Marxist1848]

First,
"ANimals kill other animals, we are animals why cant we? "
Animals in the wild are barbaric. If we are so civilized than we shouldnt resort to barbarism. Also, animals kill other animals for SURVIVAL not sport.Sport is SHIT. A Big Load of SHIT. We dont need to throw 400 spears at a bull tied in a ring with a barrier in front of us so we cant get hurt but cheer the whole time while the bull suffers.
Second,
"Its the law of the jungle, the strong species dominate the weaker species. Lions hold the power of life and death over thier prey as do we. We're just much more efficient at regulating the prey."
If everyone here yelled at MAzdak for his views on the abortions of retarded people before being born, and you felt it was necissary to say, and i quote-"kill them because they are not as inteligent, that is Nazi of you". Well if you can say we can kill loads of animals because we are a so called "dominating species" (which i fully dissagree with and completely beleive people are trash) than we must be "smarter". Is it different for an animal that is less fortunate? I guess animals that are dumb can be killed but it doesnt go that way for people. And, how many animals have you seen in conflict with"other countries" of animals. Have you ever seen black ants make a nuke bomb and throw it at the red ant hill. I know that animals fight, but they obviously can HOLD a society togather. An anthill is one of the most complex societies in the world(i believe). I dont see animals raging genocide on anther species, because they regualte the killing of other animals as it is not pointless or senseless killing, but merely for food.
ANother thing-
ANIMALS DONT HAVE RELIGION
Religion is not natural, it is a man made way of controlling the masses with threats greater than jail or execution...."eternity in hell!". Well without religion, animals have no reason to oppress or elimate...all natural ascpect of religion.

Wow...i went from bullsighting to ant and then religion. How did i get there???:biggrin:

[Mazdak]

animals kill for food because they need to. we kill because we want to. we eat the meat, but look at us. We eat because we want to. i oulod see eating when it is necessary but look at humans. we are fat asses who constantly eat.

[Anonymous]

speak for yourself! im dead lanky.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:20 pm on Aug. 20, 2002
animals kill for food because they need to. we kill because we want to. we eat the meat, but look at us. We eat because we want to. i oulod see eating when it is necessary but look at humans. we are fat asses who constantly eat.


don't you know that its a scientific fact is that because we eat meat is why our brains are so develpoded?

Its because of the protien and shit...got it off the discovery channel

[Marxist1848]

Actually, you are reffering to eating "healthy". Mazdak is reffering to eating until you are 400 pounds. These poeple dont eat because they need to, they eat because they want to. And protien can also be obtained from fish. And beans, when combined with a grain such as brown rice provide the amino acid building blocks for proyein without the cholesterol and sachurated fat in meat. so not only meat has protein. I suggest you watch the whole episode of the discovery channel show, and not just the part that you used to criticize Mazdak. If you look it up there is a much larger amount of food inwhich protein is obtained. Like eggs, milk, cheese, and tofu.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 1:11 am on Aug. 21, 2002
Actually, you are reffering to eating "healthy". Mazdak is reffering to eating until you are 400 pounds. These poeple dont eat because they need to, they eat because they want to. And protien can also be obtained from fish. And beans, when combined with a grain such as brown rice provide the amino acid building blocks for proyein without the cholesterol and sachurated fat in meat. so not only meat has protein. I suggest you watch the whole episode of the discovery channel show, and not just the part that you used to criticize Mazdak. If you look it up there is a much larger amount of food inwhich protein is obtained. Like eggs, milk, cheese, and tofu.

I'm aware of this, however it wasn't a show about food.

It was talking about evolution and how as we ate more meat we began toget larger brains.

Also Why can't we save the fish, and why should cows have to give away their milk that their calfs need, and why should we kill chicken's babies?

Not to mention those plants have a right to live, save the brown rice.

We can always find things to nit pick about so let people eat what they want

[Mazdak]

the EGGS ARE NOT FERTILE. They are produced by hens who have not mated. I dont know where you live, but i hope you dont eat fertilized eggs.

The calves are allowed to get milk from the mother, even if she is being milked (before and after being milked).

Plants dont feel pain. Animals do.

[canikickit]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 3:48 am on Aug. 11, 2002

Quote: from canikickit on 6:58 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
I haveas much respect for potatoes as I have for Chickens. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Schmucks.


Well, if you have no respect for chickens ... howabout living on just these potatoes you care so dearly about. How would you like tha, eating potatoes everyday for everymeal. Not to apitizing. I think you should appreciate chickens more than you do now. Maybe because of the fact that they feed you and the majority of people on EARTH. Well with what you said..why dont you go start a chicken genocide....this way more people will starve. And while your at it go kill those turkeys. I mean if you hate the chickens why not hate other raised for food birds.


What sort of a retard are you? Did you get a lobotomy? Are you illiterate? Do you have difficulty concentrating for more than twenty seconds? Do you not realize what you are saying? I said I have as much respect for chickens as potatoes. I didn't say anything about hating chickens. Ha, ha. You're a complete idiot. Oh my god, its actually hard to believe. I thought I'd seen it all on this site but, jaysis, this takes the proverbial biscuit.
I love chickens and potatoes. I have the same amount of respect for them as each other. Which is probably about the same amount as I respect Bush, aha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, actually today for my dinner I had chicken kiev and chips ummm, lovely. (Chips are made from potatoes by the way.)
Anyway the point I meant was that I view chickens the same way I view these poxy potatoes; foodstuff. Chickens don't have emotions as we know them.
Did you ever kill a moth? The smaller moths just turn to dust when you squash them. Do you think their families mourn them? The main pain caused by death is the pain of those who remain bulls and chickens and potatoes do not feel this pain, even if they did I wouldn't give a fuck.

[Mazdak]

You stupid dick. Moths feel pain. WTF do you think NERVES do?

Potatoes dont. I would execute all potatoes if i could. I hate them.

and canikickit, do you feel pain, or are you too, a robot? I findd it hard to believe someone does not understand the functions of NERVES
Godammit. I dontthink your family would mourn your loss either!

Some of us are solitary. Just because moths are more primitive does not make them less sensitive.

And neither of us kill moths. we breed roaches for christs sake.

[canikickit]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:11 am on Aug. 23, 2002

And neither of us kill moths. we breed roaches for christs sake.

I've no idea what thats about. But as for the rest of what you said my whole point is that I don't care about moths, potatoes, bulls, chickens, roaches, Mazdaks, American Kids, canikickits, families, spanish people, communism, Che Guevara, or Man Utd. all I care about is music and cannabis, ha, ha, ha.

[Marxist1848]

Well said mazdak.
canikickit...you are the most isulent person i have ever had to talk to on this board...(and ive spoken to glaMGIRL)
you obviously need to learn a little biology and study these things...their called nerves...if you would like to know how they function, just take a long sharp object and plunge it itno your eyes....or put your hand in a flame.
THOSE ARE NERVES!
Moths have nerves and so do other animals (humans are animals also - for those of you who put yourselves higher than animals...you are one)
Also
No - no lobotomy
No-not retarded
Yes im literate
yes i can concentrate for more than 20 seconds
i realize fully what im saying
i also realize that you are an ignorant asshole.....and i dont think i have to say this - its pretty evident - you need to shut up.
And i would rather have a potatoe for the president than bush...potatoes dont talk so they would save us having to listen to this pathetic man speak

chickens have emotions...i had a pet rooster
not only was he happy to see me but he hated my sisiter and would charge ta her.
if these are not emotions...tell what is.
no i havent killed a moth
and how would you know if they mourn....do you freekin study moths?

Anything else you said...if i didnt mention it above...i chose not to recognize that you said it for lack of common sense reasons.
Thank you.

[canikickit]

You do not read the things which I say properly. I might come across as an asshole but at least when I reply to people I take into account what they have typed. I know these things feel pain, I don't think their pain is very important. I know they have emotions but like I said they are not the same as ours. I don't really need to shut up.

[Marxist1848]

YES YOU DO.
NOW SHUT UP SO I CAN REST MY EARS (EYES REALLY)
YOU ARE A STRAIN TO MY SENSES.

[canikickit]

no

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:32 am on Aug. 23, 2002
the EGGS ARE NOT FERTILE. They are produced by hens who have not mated. I dont know where you live, but i hope you dont eat fertilized eggs.

The calves are allowed to get milk from the mother, even if she is being milked (before and after being milked).

Plants dont feel pain. Animals do.


not really my point but ok.

Really I was just saying someone will always find a way to protest something.

[Mazdak]

you are sucha stupid shit. why do you go to a che board for the sole purpose of talking about music and cannabis. You useless idiot. I would rather brian or shyne here than you you stupid arrogant little *****.

Excuse my rant to everyone else, but this guy has me annoyed.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:43 pm on Aug. 23, 2002
you are sucha stupid shit. why do you go to a che board for the sole purpose of talking about music and cannabis. You useless idiot. I would rather brian or shyne here than you you stupid arrogant little *****.

Excuse my rant to everyone else, but this guy has me annoyed.

him or me?

[Mazdak]

Him. Not you Mr. LardLad. My arguments with you are soley in the music board.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:49 pm on Aug. 23, 2002
Him. Not you Mr. LardLad. My arguments with you are soley in the music board.

sorry I piss so many people off that it is hard to keep track

[Marxist1848]

"I've no idea what thats about. But as for the rest of what you said my whole point is that I don't care about moths, potatoes, bulls, chickens, roaches, Mazdaks, American Kids, canikickits, families, spanish people, communism, Che Guevara, or Man Utd. all I care about is music and cannabis, ha, ha, ha. "

Then go the fuck away and leave me and the rest of the people that hate you (i dont know anyone who doesnt). You are on here for no reason yet critize glamgirl. At least she is on here for a reason(lefty). And shut up and stay on the music thread if that all you would like to talk about.

Nice try for comedy though..i was gonna laugh but then i realized that it was you talking so i stopped myself.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 2:00 am on Aug. 24, 2002
"I've no idea what thats about. But as for the rest of what you said my whole point is that I don't care about moths, potatoes, bulls, chickens, roaches, Mazdaks, American Kids, canikickits, families, spanish people, communism, Che Guevara, or Man Utd. all I care about is music and cannabis, ha, ha, ha. "

Then go the fuck away and leave me and the rest of the people that hate you (i dont know anyone who doesnt). You are on here for no reason yet critize glamgirl. At least she is on here for a reason(lefty). And shut up and stay on the music thread if that all you would like to talk about.

Nice try for comedy though..i was gonna laugh but then i realized that it was you talking so i stopped myself.

actualy I kinda laughed when he grouped Mazdaks and American Kids with bulls like they were species....but it stopped it wasn't that funny.

[canikickit]

okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I've been an asshole I'm sure. I stand by my opinions I think you misunderstand the way I express them. I obviously do post here for a reason cannabis and music aren't really the only things I care about, I do care about them a lot more than bulls and chickens though. I don't really care whether these hens or bulls live or die and I don't understand your motivation for upset.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from canikickit on 2:52 am on Aug. 24, 2002
okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I've been an asshole I'm sure. I stand by my opinions I think you misunderstand the way I express them. I obviously do post here for a reason cannabis and music aren't really the only things I care about, I do care about them a lot more than bulls and chickens though. I don't really care whether these hens or bulls live or die and I don't understand your motivation for upset.


the Lion King looks descries it best, the Circle of Life, thats right THE CIRCLE OF MUTHAFUCKIN LIFE

Look I eat the cows---------> I die fifty years to early

from to much red meat---------> I'm buried--------->

thousands of years later-------> furturistic cows graze

on the grass that my decomposed body helped fertalize

and continue to grow for thousands of years-------->

fututristic cows are killed by a future me.


See its the muthafuckin circle of life

[canikickit]

futuristic cows with wings and teeth made of metal and they drive around on Harleys.......

but what you're saying (which I agree with) isn't rweally relavant to bullfighting.....I think you're getting confused with the vegitarian thread( I've done that myself)
or am I missing your point? (these evil harley driving cows are distracting me)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from canikickit on 3:08 am on Aug. 24, 2002
futuristic cows with wings and teeth made of metal and they drive around on Harleys.......

but what you're saying (which I agree with) isn't rweally relavant to bullfighting.....I think you're getting confused with the vegitarian thread( I've done that myself)
or am I missing your point? (these evil harley driving cows are distracting me)

I'm not even sure what the hell I mean anymore

[canikickit]

ahhhhhhhhh ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, very funny. I know how you feel.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from canikickit on 3:15 am on Aug. 24, 2002
ahhhhhhhhh ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, very funny. I know how you feel.


I'm not fuckin kidding I seriously am just ranting from one thing to the next....I need to look at more porn...to focus my mind

[Marxist1848]

Im am speechless. Im not really sure how to respond to "futuristic cows on harleys" with all the other stuff you said.....

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 3:25 am on Aug. 24, 2002
Im am speechless. Im not really sure how to respond to "futuristic cows on harleys" with all the other stuff you said.....

dont bother I even confused my self with this one

[canikickit]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 3:25 am on Aug. 24, 2002
Im am speechless. Im not really sure how to respond to "futuristic cows on harleys" with all the other stuff you said.....


don't take life too seriously

[Marxist1848]

I take life as serious as i take tellytubbies.
I just have never heard someone speek of "futuristic cows with wings and teeth made of metal and they drive around on Harleys....... "
very inventive though.

[canikickit]

Bullfights to the death in Portugal have been legalised for some festival recently. They were illegal for over a century.

Here's some sites which people might find interesting:
some shit (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/565602672)
something else, a petition! (http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Andes/1084/death.htm)

(Edited by canikickit at 1:09 am on Sep. 1, 2002)

[Mazdak]

This is truly disturbing. Humans are reverting to a more primitive state.

[boadicea88]

LOL, yet again, i agree with you. Shades of Lord of the Flies.

[Anonymous]

this is so fucking funny, everybody agrees with aborts (expecially when its up to aborts when the baby is retarded) but when it is up to animals everybody is against!

[Mazdak]

Animals arent overpopulating the world anarchist.

[bluerev002]

my uncle and cousin have lots of roosters. and man do they put a lot of time in getting them big. they evern inject them with steroids. same wiht dogs, they have some of hte biggest dogs ive seen!! i dont think its right. i like fighting bettas, its their nature to fight so no ones really forcing them, plus they dont kill each other.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

how can a country like Spain call itself moder if it allows this to happen.

[Mazdak]

exactly

and bluerev002, that is sick.
Environmental Terrorism!!! Yay!

[Anonymous]

"Animals arent overpopulating the world anarchist. "

Huummmm your right stalinist are overpopulating so lets make Stalinistfighting/fascist fighting!

[Mazdak]

.....From what i see here, it appears anti stalinist leftists and cappies have overrun the world.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 8:57 pm on Sep. 16, 2002
.....From what i see here, it appears anti stalinist leftists and cappies have overrun the world.

Anti Stalinists? Is that a synonym for sane cuz I can't see it as an insult.

I still can't see how anyone could buy into Stalin's ideology. He was in the same line as Hitler and Mussolini with the acception that he was communist.

And another thing you have yet to defend the entire aspect of Stalinism.

WHy would people like being opressed please tell me.

Listen Mazdak: the revolution is against opression, not to start it

[Mazdak]

What do you means defend the entire aspect???

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 1:43 am on Sep. 19, 2002
What do you means defend the entire aspect???


Defend Stalin's ideology, how he thought, why he thought human life was worthless.

Why he killed anyone who didn't agree with him.

[Mazdak]

He didnt think human life was worthless. He simply thought the revolution was more important. Nothing is wrong with this.

[Marxist Leninist]

Ban Pokémon
Ban Bullfighting
Ban Cockfighting

Long live Animal rights!

[Marxist1848]

Amen MarxistLeninist!!!
And a stalin ideology is nothing like a hitler/mussolini ideology because it is not a fascism. Pointless oppression is by far nothing like rooting out the ENEMIES of the people. Fascism kills for no reason but for the aspects of imperialism and greed. The enemies of your own people have done something wrong.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 11:41 pm on Sep. 21, 2002
Amen MarxistLeninist!!!
And a stalin ideology is nothing like a hitler/mussolini ideology because it is not a fascism. Pointless oppression is by far nothing like rooting out the ENEMIES of the people. Fascism kills for no reason but for the aspects of imperialism and greed. The enemies of your own people have done something wrong.

By that mentality the US has a right to kill every communist and socialist.

Nothing justifies execution.

Stalin's sick and twisted mentality has no place on the left.

PLease tell me wy Trotsky had to die.


Also under Stalin I would be killed for disagreeing with him, am I cappie? No, but I'm not a Stalinist so I guess that makes him my enemy.

Your idea of senseless killing needs to be revauluated.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 1:56 am on Sep. 21, 2002
He didnt think human life was worthless. He simply thought the revolution was more important. Nothing is wrong with this.



When human life is gone there is no more revolution

With out people there is no fight

Human life is more important

Men are not expendable

[Marxist1848]

"By that mentality the US has a right to kill every communist and socialist"
shut up. thats not what i said nor what i meant.

"Nothing justifies execution. " - "Human life is more important " - "Men are not expendable"
Violence is sometimes neccisary to send a message. Examples of this are war, execution and murder.
And please dont bullshit on and on about killing being bad. Your little "god-like idol" che didnt kill anyone???
Most of the men he killed were on his own side for TREASON!!!
Sound familiar? I think it was a man name...STALIN that did the same.

"When human life is gone there is no more revolution "
Actaully when human life is gone, there is a successful revolution. Humans are crap as a whole with a few minor exceptions throughout history like Ghandi and others who were more intelligent than the rest of the population. I think what you meant to say was a nice little saying, mazdak you know this one, "Death solves everything- No man - No problem!"
"Also under Stalin I would be killed for disagreeing with him, am I cappie? No, but I'm not a Stalinist so I guess that makes him my enemy. "
No. First if you were under stalin you would see the truth and not be overcome with anti stalinist influences and propaganda. And if you did hate stalin then good. You deserve to die. Anyone that pathetically ingorant and misdirected by lies shouldnt live.

[Mazdak]

Lardlad you are utterly lost. So one enemy spy's life is worth more then an entire revolution. A few lives, i am talkinhg about, not an ENTIRE population. That is, unless it is a population of degenerate stoners and prostitutes. They are simply eradicated. There is no need for such trash in a revolution.

And lardlad, i doubt the whole world is made up of crackpot hippies. So no, there would be plenty of people leftover to continue the cause.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 3:33 am on Sep. 22, 2002
"By that mentality the US has a right to kill every communist and socialist"
shut up. thats not what i said nor what i meant.

"Nothing justifies execution. " - "Human life is more important " - "Men are not expendable"
Violence is sometimes neccisary to send a message. Examples of this are war, execution and murder.
And please dont bullshit on and on about killing being bad. Your little "god-like idol" che didnt kill anyone???
Most of the men he killed were on his own side for TREASON!!!
Sound familiar? I think it was a man name...STALIN that did the same.

"When human life is gone there is no more revolution "
Actaully when human life is gone, there is a successful revolution. Humans are crap as a whole with a few minor exceptions throughout history like Ghandi and others who were more intelligent than the rest of the population. I think what you meant to say was a nice little saying, mazdak you know this one, "Death solves everything- No man - No problem!"
"Also under Stalin I would be killed for disagreeing with him, am I cappie? No, but I'm not a Stalinist so I guess that makes him my enemy. "
No. First if you were under stalin you would see the truth and not be overcome with anti stalinist influences and propaganda. And if you did hate stalin then good. You deserve to die. Anyone that pathetically ingorant and misdirected by lies shouldnt live.


I liked Che's messege I still don't condone his killing.

But Stalin killed people that were close to him out of paranoia.

Also what Stalinist Propaganda I never knew a damn thing about Stalin other than he was from russia till I was about 12. Everything I learned about him i read, or heard from other socialists.


Moving On, Death does not solve everything.

What is it with you, do you seriously think life is that worthless?


Stalin and truth need never be in the same sentence. Purges are not something I or the majority of Socialists want to be identified with.

He committed genocide, genocide is wrong, end of disscussion.

I'm not about to kill a 13 year old girl who was a spy. Its a fuckin little girl.

Keep her from reporting back to the enemy, yes, CHop off her head....thats sadistic.

If I lived under Stalin I would have to play by his rules, no democracy, no choices of my own.

Only a person who is a mindless puppet agrees with totalitarianism.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 3:35 am on Sep. 22, 2002
Lardlad you are utterly lost. So one enemy spy's life is worth more then an entire revolution. A few lives, i am talkinhg about, not an ENTIRE population. That is, unless it is a population of degenerate stoners and prostitutes. They are simply eradicated. There is no need for such trash in a revolution.

And lardlad, i doubt the whole world is made up of crackpot hippies. So no, there would be plenty of people leftover to continue the cause.


Look I don't condone killing unless it is necassary. Killing a hooker for fuckin some guy for cash isn't worth wasting a bullet.

A spy, lock them up or something. Don't just pull out a gun and pop the guy full of lead.

The only time you should kill someone is when they threaten the life of your family, your kids, your wife, or your self.

Other wise just cut off their contact to a superior. I can understand offing them sometimes. But thats only for a spy. If its just a guy who is a capitalist and he isn't doing anything why should he die?


Stalin is exactley the same as the Czars who the Bolsheviks hated with a passion.

Both exiled people who they felt were enemies. Both killed people who they felt were enemies.

Stalin was the exact same as a Czar except he was "communist"

[Mazdak]

A spy is no threat lardlad? Spies are the worst threats to a nation. They can undermine everything.

And hookers dont deserve the bullet. Thats right. Hang them. Use a method that wont cause anywaste. She or he isnt wortha bullet. They are worth a noose still however.

Stalin did become a bit suspicious, but with the number of enemies he had, i wouldnt blame him.


And Lardlad, why should you worry about losing your precious freedoms? What is it that you do that the government is stopping you from doing? Smoking, getting prostitutes, converting people, or cockfighting in your backyard?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:49 pm on Sep. 22, 2002
A spy is no threat lardlad? Spies are the worst threats to a nation. They can undermine everything.

And hookers dont deserve the bullet. Thats right. Hang them. Use a method that wont cause anywaste. She or he isnt wortha bullet. They are worth a noose still however.

Stalin did become a bit suspicious, but with the number of enemies he had, i wouldnt blame him.


And Lardlad, why should you worry about losing your precious freedoms? What is it that you do that the government is stopping you from doing? Smoking, getting prostitutes, converting people, or cockfighting in your backyard?


I like cock fights its hilarious

anyway.

I siad I understood about spies being killed, I said however if thee is a cappie that isn't a threat to your power don't kill him.

Stalin would make censorship.

I want to aqquire as much knowledge as i can so I can form my own opinion not have one handed to me.

Thats what the US does, thats what the Soviet Union did.

both brimmed with propaganda. just let people think for themselves

[Mazdak]

..... Even the most Authoritarian government cannot change what is in one's heart. But if you are a capitalist who is outspoken and anti communist, you are a threat. You just bought yourself a one way ticket to a gulag.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 7:14 pm on Sep. 22, 2002
..... Even the most Authoritarian government cannot change what is in one's heart. But if you are a capitalist who is outspoken and anti communist, you are a threat. You just bought yourself a one way ticket to a gulag.

A person who says , " I really wish Mazdak was a little more liberal" Is a threat?

Where in that sentence did the words asassination or revolution come into play

[Mazdak]

Lardlad, i said OUTSPOKEN, not some little comment made. What other reason would someone assasinate a political figure other then politics?

BTW- notice how everything i post on becomes a liberal authoritarian debate?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:56 pm on Sep. 23, 2002
Lardlad, i said OUTSPOKEN, not some little comment made. What other reason would someone assasinate a political figure other then politics?

BTW- notice how everything i post on becomes a liberal authoritarian debate?


But what about a person just voicing their opinion to the public just trying to provoke thought?

If they are simply trying to get people to question something then they shall be killed?

With out questioning the authority there would be no communism, therefore no stalinism

[Mazdak]

That isnt OUTSPOKEN lardlad. Outspoken is repeated criticism of the government. Defiance. That is outspoken. For that, you definatly earn your trip to the gulag.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 10:17 pm on Sep. 24, 2002
That isnt OUTSPOKEN lardlad. Outspoken is repeated criticism of the government. Defiance. That is outspoken. For that, you definatly earn your trip to the gulag.

Comrade please, Stalin can't fuck wit the Lad

[Turnoviseous]

Mazdak, you stil haven´t packed Stalin´s pictures from the walls?

What if government was the one that was wrong, would it be justly for you to be thrown into the gulag or even killed for opposing the gov.?

[Mazdak]

restate question please. I do not understand what you said.