After the Revolution

[ILoveShrub]

It has been seen many times over all over the world, but the worst cases are usually in Latin America. After any successful leftist revolution, or election. America steps in and either destroys by itself or sends in dissendents to cause a coup. As has been seen in Guatamala.

Let's say that there has been a leftist revolution. How many people would be willing to relinquish their main source of power(the military) and establish local militias. Because as I see it. And this has been influenced by Che's early thoughts. That if as a leader you give the people what they want and need. That the people will protect their government.

By creating militias and disbaning the military after the revolution, you cut Americas choices in destroying you. And involvment directly by America against a generally peacful reforming leftist government would cause a huge public out cry. Both domestically and across the world.

[Borincano]

That is being done in Marxist, Hugo Chávez's Venezuela. The militias established in each town to help improve the living standards of the communityand protect the peace are called 'The Bolivarian Circles.'

[ILoveShrub]

If the militias could be run without being corrupted than there is a chance that they could serve as a form of police/fireman and could be moral and social leaders in each community. This would allow each community to be automonous.This would be the ideal of local communism.

[man in the red suit]

I like that that is a great idea. I will be sure to include that thought in my community union socialism

[evil chris]

this idea rests on the asumption that the West simply won't invade you en masse,bomb you out of existance or saction you into poverty.
The West aint that dumb and will come at you from more than the "inflitrate the military" angle.
This is why you _must_ think along the lines of Global Revoultion.
When any true revolution shows promise external forces have either adopted a policy of non-intervention while right wing death squads shoot the revoultionarys up, or have directly intervied to do the same.
While the structures that do this continue to exist, your "leftist" utopia will never last.

[Supermodel]

I'm with evil chris, the US has got to realize than when the people have chosen their own form of government, the US needs to live and let live, even trade with them.

I don;t think that there needs to be local militia to counteract the military of the party in power. I beleive that the military can easily be led (by its officers, usually) into a coup or desertion to another political party.

But, what is wrong with all this thinkinhg is that the military should have as much power as it odes. The military should exist only ti defend borders, never to defend the government against the people. Thus the majority of the people should be in power, the military's role should be much much smaller.

[Borincano]

Supermodel,

I agree with you 100%!

[The Ax]

Hey,
Before the revolution the revolutionary force has to put in place tactics to deal with american counterrevolutionary aggression. The Force must have good relations with certain governments that will help it in case of sanctions and must have militias as well as a well organised army. It also must seem like a good government in the eyes of the world. Post revolutionary death squads may have been acceptable in 1959 but they certainly aren't now.

The Ax

[evil chris]

which goverments are going to risk becoming a pariah of the world for the sake of helping a leftist insurgencey?
Do you hear many governments saying how they are imprssed by the Zapatistas?
Thoes States that do not intervien directly will adopt a policy of non intervention, allowing the powers attacking us a free hand.
why is this?
The governemts of the world are slaves to economics.
Every State,businessman and ,if we get down to it, citizen is indebt to the banks.The banks are a very small clique of people at the top.These major banks and in turn in the thrall of the Fed, the independant gate keeper and guardian of America's wealth.Everything America does in in the intrest of the Fed.The other banks have to follow suit.
Now think about it.
Is aiding Socialism in the Fed's intrest?

[Lardlad95]

But if there isn't a central military that isn't in complete contact with each other than wont it be easier for trhe US to corrupt and inflitrate them.


Not to say I don[t think Militias can work but how would we go about dealing with this?