school bathroom CLEANED!

[redcannon]

I had an entire stall in my schools restroom dedicated to commie political graffiti. i spent house on that thing, with paint pens and the like. then my fucking school, after two months, cleaned the whole fucking thing. is there any type of pen that can't be cleaned off? i heard Krink was good, but where can i get it?

[Organic Revolution]

You can get Krink on several online sources, which I will find in a little bit, but i can get it down the block :)

[KC]

Yeah but then they'll just paint over it. Carving's where it's at.

[An archist]

I say don't write too much, because that's when they'll clean it, if you write 2-3 phrases per bathroom, they're less likely to clean it, and if they do, you haven't wasted so much ink.
Carving can be painted over too (but less easy) and takes longer.

[redcannon]

my school bathrooms are all tile. And the stall divider things are glossed over with something that makes it incredibly difficult to carve

[( R )evolution]

My problem is everyone in the fucking school knows I am a communist and the only hardcore leftist in the school so if I put any shit up than I would get suspended. That is why I do it in parks, other schools, and pretty much anywhere that it wont be connected to me. I use Krink and sometimes I do cravings a little.

[Organic Revolution]

The link for the Krink. Krinkin (http://cgi.ebay.com/KRINK-MOP-Graffitti-Art-Supplies-Permanent-Black-Ink_W0QQitemZ110099359624QQihZ001QQcategoryZ11785Q QcmdZViewItem)

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by Zampanò@March 06, 2007 12:57 am
Yeah but then they'll just paint over it. Carving's where it's at.
For truly permanent markings... butane blow torch on the metal stalls.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 07, 2007 01:08 pm
The link for the Krink. Krinkin (http://cgi.ebay.com/KRINK-MOP-Graffitti-Art-Supplies-Permanent-Black-Ink_W0QQitemZ110099359624QQihZ001QQcategoryZ11785Q QcmdZViewItem)
that shits $25? fuck.

[Red October]

you can get a black On the Run paintpen and empty out the ink and fill it op with krink.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by redcannon+March 08, 2007 03:13 pm--> (redcannon @ March 08, 2007 03:13 pm)
Organic [email protected] 07, 2007 01:08 pm
The link for the Krink. Krinkin (http://cgi.ebay.com/KRINK-MOP-Graffitti-Art-Supplies-Permanent-Black-Ink_W0QQitemZ110099359624QQihZ001QQcategoryZ11785Q QcmdZViewItem)
that shits $25? fuck. [/b]
Krink is crazy expensive.

[Question everything]

Dude just use Bic (/insert generic brand name here) . I mean how hard is it to just rewrite it?

[redcannon]

i did more than write. giant hammer and sickles, big block lettering

all of it gone. *tear*

[Red October]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+March 12, 2007 10:21 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ March 12, 2007 10:21 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 03:13 pm

Organic [email protected] 07, 2007 01:08 pm
The link for the Krink. Krinkin (http://cgi.ebay.com/KRINK-MOP-Graffitti-Art-Supplies-Permanent-Black-Ink_W0QQitemZ110099359624QQihZ001QQcategoryZ11785Q QcmdZViewItem)
that shits $25? fuck.
Krink is crazy expensive. [/b]
its not too bad. $15 for a good sized bottle of black krink is worth it.

[redcannon]

well, would it cost my school more than 25 bux to clean it? if so, i'd buy it.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:32 pm
well, would it cost my school more than 25 bux to clean it? if so, i'd buy it.
it will probably cost them more than 25 bucks trying to clean it, but krink will never ever come off most surfaces once its dry. if you want your graffiti to last, thats the way to go.

[yippie666]

Originally posted by Red October+March 14, 2007 03:13 am--> (Red October @ March 14, 2007 03:13 am)
[email protected] 13, 2007 09:32 pm
well, would it cost my school more than 25 bux to clean it? if so, i'd buy it.
it will probably cost them more than 25 bucks trying to clean it, but krink will never ever come off most surfaces once its dry. if you want your graffiti to last, thats the way to go. [/b]
but sand blasting....?

[Red October]

Originally posted by yippie666+March 15, 2007 01:01 am--> (yippie666 @ March 15, 2007 01:01 am)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 14, 2007 03:13 am

[email protected] 13, 2007 09:32 pm
well, would it cost my school more than 25 bux to clean it? if so, i'd buy it.
it will probably cost them more than 25 bucks trying to clean it, but krink will never ever come off most surfaces once its dry. if you want your graffiti to last, thats the way to go.
but sand blasting....? [/b]
who the fuck would sandblast a bathroom stall? sandblasting generally makes a surface look shitty and no one uses it to clean off graffiti unless they want to destroy the surface its on.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Red October+March 15, 2007 08:38 am--> (Red October @ March 15, 2007 08:38 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 01:01 am

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 14, 2007 03:13 am

[email protected] 13, 2007 09:32 pm
well, would it cost my school more than 25 bux to clean it? if so, i'd buy it.
it will probably cost them more than 25 bucks trying to clean it, but krink will never ever come off most surfaces once its dry. if you want your graffiti to last, thats the way to go.
but sand blasting....?
who the fuck would sandblast a bathroom stall? sandblasting generally makes a surface look shitty and no one uses it to clean off graffiti unless they want to destroy the surface its on. [/b]
They will sandblast the stall eventually, have seen them do it at my school. But sandblasting the surface will help the Krink stay permanent.

[redcannon]

what happens if it gets on your skin? how do you get it off?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 10:08 pm
what happens if it gets on your skin? how do you get it off?
Wear gloves.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+March 15, 2007 11:11 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ March 15, 2007 11:11 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 10:08 pm
what happens if it gets on your skin? how do you get it off?
Wear gloves. [/b]
i've had it spill on my skin before, but it wasnt any big deal. it comes off pretty quickly if you use soap and good scrubbing.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Commie bathroom stall! =D YAY! Paint a picture of Lenin on the wall! DO IT! BATHROOM STALL VANDALIZERS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS!

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I know it's no help in the current situation but for wood or fabric, potassium permanganate is the way to go--obviously you can't buy it in pen form though, and it will probably turn out purple at first, and then go brown (though if you use extremely high concentrations it looks more black-ish). Should be easy enough to steal from the chem lab.

[Zumerius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 04:22 am
I had an entire stall in my schools restroom dedicated to commie political graffiti. i spent house on that thing, with paint pens and the like. then my fucking school, after two months, cleaned the whole fucking thing. is there any type of pen that can't be cleaned off? i heard Krink was good, but where can i get it?
You can get real cheap engravers at craft stores these days. Many are chargeable, so you can conceal and carry them. That's a nice, quick way to get a carved effect. Provided the buzz of the engraver won't attract too much attention. Depends on what time you're doing it.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by Zumerius+May 15, 2007 12:33 am--> (Zumerius @ May 15, 2007 12:33 am)
[email protected] 06, 2007 04:22 am
I had an entire stall in my schools restroom dedicated to commie political graffiti. i spent house on that thing, with paint pens and the like. then my fucking school, after two months, cleaned the whole fucking thing. is there any type of pen that can't be cleaned off? i heard Krink was good, but where can i get it?
You can get real cheap engravers at craft stores these days. Many are chargeable, so you can conceal and carry them. That's a nice, quick way to get a carved effect. Provided the buzz of the engraver won't attract too much attention. Depends on what time you're doing it. [/b]
that's a lot smarter than my plan B

plan B: blowtorch

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

I hane the same problem as ®evolution....everyone knows im a communist

[redcannon]

a real problem now is that if i pitch a communist club for my school next year they'll think its me. so insted, i'm just gonna krink every bathroom i can find :)

[Honggweilo]

use a figuresaw, i want to them try paint over a hole :lol:

[fordan55]

if you use one of the above ways there is away to clean them the school can sand blast or get a new wall what both cost a lot of money how ever so you can keep you art up on the wall for a long time while the stafe wonders if it is worth the monney :A:

[drain.you]

and people wonder why we get so much stick for being commies. why vandalise something that is of use to people? i personally stay away from educational buildings, things to do with public transport, public recreational places ie:parks,benches,etc, stuff we'll need after the revolution and is useful to us.
vandalise the cctv cameras, the shops, the banks, police and military buildings and vechicles, etc.

[crimsonzephyr]

Heres a very cheap engraver:

http://www.orientaltrading.com/application...ate&sku=8%2f301 (http://www.orientaltrading.com/application?origin=page.jsp&namespace=browse&event=link.itemDetails&categoryId=377320&BP=2111&cm_mmc=Shopzilla-_-datafeed-_-datafeed-_-datafeed&source=bizrate&sku=8%2f301)

dont know the quality...

[which doctor]

They closed the bathroom at out school, now it's only open during a few passing periods, you have to sign in to use it, and there is an administrator in there. This is all because of graffiti, though I doubt any of it was political.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 09:31 pm
They closed the bathroom at out school, now it's only open during a few passing periods, you have to sign in to use it, and there is an administrator in there. This is all because of graffiti, though I doubt any of it was political.
Talk about strict! :blink:

Anyone got any pictures of their graffiti?

[Red October]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+November 07, 2007 05:12 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ November 07, 2007 05:12 pm)
[email protected] 07, 2007 09:31 pm
They closed the bathroom at out school, now it's only open during a few passing periods, you have to sign in to use it, and there is an administrator in there. This is all because of graffiti, though I doubt any of it was political.
Talk about strict! :blink:

Anyone got any pictures of their graffiti? [/b]
I have pictures of bathroom graffiti, though not by me. And it's not really political. I may post them later.

[RedStaredRevolution]

you can actually buy krink that bleeds through paint which eleminates the problem of them painting over it. however, no matter what you do they're always going to find a way to remove it at a school. they'll replace the walls if they have to.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+November 07, 2007 04:12 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ November 07, 2007 04:12 pm)
[email protected] 07, 2007 09:31 pm
They closed the bathroom at out school, now it's only open during a few passing periods, you have to sign in to use it, and there is an administrator in there. This is all because of graffiti, though I doubt any of it was political.
Talk about strict! :blink:

Anyone got any pictures of their graffiti? [/b]
If I did, I wouldnt post it on an online forum.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+November 08, 2007 03:01 am--> (Organic Revolution @ November 08, 2007 03:01 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 04:12 pm

[email protected] 07, 2007 09:31 pm
They closed the bathroom at out school, now it's only open during a few passing periods, you have to sign in to use it, and there is an administrator in there. This is all because of graffiti, though I doubt any of it was political.
Talk about strict! :blink:

Anyone got any pictures of their graffiti?
If I did, I wouldnt post it on an online forum. [/b]
I'm talking about toilet grafiti that can't identify you, not the stuff people do outside.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+November 07, 2007 05:12 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ November 07, 2007 05:12 pm)
[email protected] 07, 2007 09:31 pm
They closed the bathroom at out school, now it's only open during a few passing periods, you have to sign in to use it, and there is an administrator in there. This is all because of graffiti, though I doubt any of it was political.
Talk about strict! :blink:

Anyone got any pictures of their graffiti? [/b]
I think it was just a bunch of shit and rumors and jokes written with bics, nothing political or artistic, some of it racist probably.

[Bilan]

teehee. If I graffited our bathrooms with anarchist graffiti, peoples would know it was me so fast that I'd be suspended before I even got out of the bathroom!
That said, I always graffiti on the tables and stuff.

I always put "Freedom before peace" and "Constraints on desire create the desire for living without constraints."
As well as other Paris 68 quotes :P

[RedAnarchist]

Thats a good idea, to use Paris '68 quotes, shame my university is so uptight or I'd do that as well.

[Red October]

I got suspended from school on May Day last year for doing bathroom graffiti. I used a mix of tags and communist stuff. Over the weeks I was doing it i acquired quite an impressive collection of markers though :D Too bad the administrators confiscated most of them when I was caught :(

I think I can safely say this on a public forum because I'm no longer at that school and It's not even on my record anymore.

[rocker935]

Lol, i draw on the desks at school. everyday on the bus one of the kids comments on it kuz its soo obvious that its me.

[Axel1917]

I normally don't like what I could call hooligan tactics, but as a janitor that has worked in public schools for over three years, I really despise this thread.

And substituting a small handful of spraypainters for the conscious movement of the working class is not going to advance the revolution a single inch.

[rocker935]

While I see your point about the common man being the one who has to clean up the mess you have to understand that it is a form of expression. We are expressing our political beliefs. Other people see it, they become interested, they do research, and they begin to like it. That is a cycle that works in recruiting more leftist supporters. How are people going to learn about some of the leftist ideologies if they are never given the viewpoint opposite of the school system? I'll be honest, before doing personal research I didn't know the difference between nazis and commies. I thought that they were basically the same.

[crimsonzephyr]

make ur own paint and markers

[crimsonzephyr]

Theirs a (new) line of sharpies

sharpie paint

theirs a huge bold one...it seems to almost be promoting graffiti

its oil based too

[RedStaredRevolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:23 am
And substituting a small handful of spraypainters for the conscious movement of the working class is not going to advance the revolution a single inch.
I actually dont do shit in my school anymore, and i dont really do that much political shit anymore either. Partyly because of the whole janitor thing and partly cause my friend got suspended for it last year. Actual graffiti however is fun and a form of expression. I know workers still have to clean it off (if it actually does get cleaned off) but theres a lot more city workers than janitors in a school. Plus graf. is way to much fun. :D

[Red October]

I'd rather scrub graffiti than mop shit. I had to clean off graffiti as punishment in school and it wasn't too hard. It actually helped me figure out ways to make my graffiti more permanent. Sharpies just don't cut it anymore, you need to upgrade your materials.

[PigmerikanMao]

How is senseless vandalism, that a working janitor probably has to work hard to clean, revolutionary? Organize students to act on issues- don't write on walls.

[RedStaredRevolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:01 pm
How is senseless vandalism, that a working janitor probably has to work hard to clean, revolutionary? Organize students to act on issues- don't write on walls.
Graf. doesnt have to be revolutionary, it's mostly just a way for people to express themselves.

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by RedStaredRevolution+November 11, 2007 01:46 am--> (RedStaredRevolution @ November 11, 2007 01:46 am)
[email protected] 10, 2007 08:01 pm
How is senseless vandalism, that a working janitor probably has to work hard to clean, revolutionary? Organize students to act on issues- don't write on walls.
Graf. doesnt have to be revolutionary, it's mostly just a way for people to express themselves. [/b]
Well yeah- I understand that part- but isn't promoting a workers revolution on a bathroom stall that a worker will probably have to clean kinda- well- not helpful?

[RedStaredRevolution]

Originally posted by PigmerikanMao+November 10, 2007 10:08 pm--> (PigmerikanMao @ November 10, 2007 10:08 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:46 am

[email protected] 10, 2007 08:01 pm
How is senseless vandalism, that a working janitor probably has to work hard to clean, revolutionary? Organize students to act on issues- don't write on walls.
Graf. doesnt have to be revolutionary, it's mostly just a way for people to express themselves.
Well yeah- I understand that part- but isn't promoting a workers revolution on a bathroom stall that a worker will probably have to clean kinda- well- not helpful? [/b]
It is a little silly i think (which is why I dont do it very often anymore) but the point of doing it is to raise awarness amoung students since most schools (grade schools) wont let you just print off literature and hand it out on school grounds.

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by RedStaredRevolution+November 11, 2007 02:12 am--> (RedStaredRevolution @ November 11, 2007 02:12 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 10:08 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:46 am

[email protected] 10, 2007 08:01 pm
How is senseless vandalism, that a working janitor probably has to work hard to clean, revolutionary? Organize students to act on issues- don't write on walls.
Graf. doesnt have to be revolutionary, it's mostly just a way for people to express themselves.
Well yeah- I understand that part- but isn't promoting a workers revolution on a bathroom stall that a worker will probably have to clean kinda- well- not helpful?
It is a little silly i think (which is why I dont do it very often anymore) but the point of doing it is to raise awarness amoung students since most schools (grade schools) wont let you just print off literature and hand it out on school grounds. [/b]
Yeah, I suppose that could be a last ditch means of spreading class consciousness- writing on bathroom walls, though I think if students really tried, they could come up with alternatives. I don't know- I won't do it.

[crimsonzephyr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 09:34 pm
While I see your point about the common man being the one who has to clean up the mess you have to understand that it is a form of expression. We are expressing our political beliefs. Other people see it, they become interested, they do research, and they begin to like it. That is a cycle that works in recruiting more leftist supporters. How are people going to learn about some of the leftist ideologies if they are never given the viewpoint opposite of the school system? I'll be honest, before doing personal research I didn't know the difference between nazis and commies. I thought that they were basically the same.
rocker is completely right

and what if you get a leftist janitor thats supposed to clean it up??

lol
jkjk

[Jude]

Does anyone know of a way to make krink?

If not, how would I have it delivered without Mussolini (dad) finding out?

[Red October]

Guide to homemade inks: http://www.godisart.com/Articles/ink101.htm

If you want to order krink, just get it delivered to a friends house or something like that. I's expensive, but it's awesome stuff. Too bad they don't sell it in the 8oz. bottles anymore. I have a great kiwi shoe polish mop that's filled with black krink and it writes extremely well.

[crimsonzephyr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 12:02 pm
Does anyone know of a way to make krink?

If not, how would I have it delivered without Mussolini (dad) finding out?
A good idea is to use a 1/3 mineral spirits or paint thinner and 2/3 paint mixture

just put it in an empty window marker

i dont know any way to get it around ur dad...

[Jude]

thanks, i'll try makin it...

[Coprolal1an]

This thread reaks of angsty 16 year olds trying to act smart by drawing on walls. Grow up a little, you're only hurting the reputation of radical leftists, and making the already hard-working janitor work harder. If you're going to graffitti, do it on a corporate building, a millitary building, etc. If you *really* want to spread leftist around the school, try this:

1.) Make lots of nice-looking small posters that have, say, a picture of a leftist figure, a title (anarchism/communism/insert your ideology here), and some bullet points with some basic ideas, along with a quote or two and a link to a leftist website with more information.

2.) Print out lots and lots

3.) during class, spread them down where the most conjested part of the hallway in the school is (try right before a lunch), and put them in lockers, too.

4.) Wait for bell to ring, kids to run out of class

5.) ??????

6.) Prof--wait that doesn't fit

[Red October]

What's the difference between doing it at school and on a corporate or military building? Someone is still going to have to clean it up there. Someone will always have to clean it up, and if they weren't doing that they would be doing some other sort of work. As one member said in another thread, it's not like if there was no graffiti janitors would get a huge break or something.

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 21, 2007 11:27 am
What's the difference between doing it at school and on a corporate or military building? Someone is still going to have to clean it up there. Someone will always have to clean it up, and if they weren't doing that they would be doing some other sort of work. As one member said in another thread, it's not like if there was no graffiti janitors would get a huge break or something.
The difference is, that schools have a purpose--to teach the youth for free. By doing this sort of thing, you cost the school money (e.g. buying paint, replacing walls, etc), and cause more work for the janitor. It's not as if the grafitti takes the place of something else they'd normally do, all it does is add more work; Now instead of just having to vacuum, pick up trash, clean floors, etc, they also need to clean your OMG AW3SUM writing off the walls.

Now, a millitary building on the other hand, is not nearly as useful as a school.

[crimsonzephyr]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 21, 2007 11:27 am
What's the difference between doing it at school and on a corporate or military building? Someone is still going to have to clean it up there. Someone will always have to clean it up, and if they weren't doing that they would be doing some other sort of work. As one member said in another thread, it's not like if there was no graffiti janitors would get a huge break or something.
yeah rocker said that, its so true

[crimsonzephyr]

Originally posted by Coprolal1an+November 21, 2007 06:12 pm--> (Coprolal1an @ November 21, 2007 06:12 pm)
Red [email protected] 21, 2007 11:27 am
What's the difference between doing it at school and on a corporate or military building? Someone is still going to have to clean it up there. Someone will always have to clean it up, and if they weren't doing that they would be doing some other sort of work. As one member said in another thread, it's not like if there was no graffiti janitors would get a huge break or something.
The difference is, that schools have a purpose--to teach the youth for free. By doing this sort of thing, you cost the school money (e.g. buying paint, replacing walls, etc), and cause more work for the janitor. It's not as if the grafitti takes the place of something else they'd normally do, all it does is add more work; Now instead of just having to vacuum, pick up trash, clean floors, etc, they also need to clean your OMG AW3SUM writing off the walls.

Now, a millitary building on the other hand, is not nearly as useful as a school. [/b]
aren't all of those covered by taxes from the public?

[Red October]

In my school the janitors didn't even really clean the graffiti, students had to do it as punishment. When I was caught for bathroom graffiti I had to clean other graffiti off and it was pretty damn easy. I talked to the janitor about it and he wasn't mad and didn't seem to really care much.

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by hardee+November 21, 2007 08:30 pm--> (hardee @ November 21, 2007 08:30 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 06:12 pm

Red [email protected] 21, 2007 11:27 am
What's the difference between doing it at school and on a corporate or military building? Someone is still going to have to clean it up there. Someone will always have to clean it up, and if they weren't doing that they would be doing some other sort of work. As one member said in another thread, it's not like if there was no graffiti janitors would get a huge break or something.
The difference is, that schools have a purpose--to teach the youth for free. By doing this sort of thing, you cost the school money (e.g. buying paint, replacing walls, etc), and cause more work for the janitor. It's not as if the grafitti takes the place of something else they'd normally do, all it does is add more work; Now instead of just having to vacuum, pick up trash, clean floors, etc, they also need to clean your OMG AW3SUM writing off the walls.

Now, a millitary building on the other hand, is not nearly as useful as a school.
aren't all of those covered by taxes from the public? [/b]
That's another point. Ther money FROM THE PEOPLE, instead of going towards the school and helping kids learn, instead goes to cleaning shit off the walls. Now, with the millitary, the money would have been going to things which are less.. satisfactory, and instead cleaning stuff off walls.

[Jude]

Yeah, printing posters is great, except it leaves fingerprints, DNA, and they can track who printed things using a small microscopic dot pattern on the bottom of the page. paper can also be tracked. posters are fine, but if you wheat paste, or do anything that they would be willing to track, don't be stupid about it.

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 03:50 am
Yeah, printing posters is great, except it leaves fingerprints, DNA, and they can track who printed things using a small microscopic dot pattern on the bottom of the page. paper can also be tracked. posters are fine, but if you wheat paste, or do anything that they would be willing to track, don't be stupid about it.
K, so assuming that that the janitors don't have access to a laboratory and are willing to go all detective on your ass, analyzing DNA/fingerprints with government records (where they got the access?) and the know how to analyze the dot patterns on the paper... you should be fine?

If they're going to all of that trouble, I'm sure they could find out who scribbled on a war :P

At any rate,

1.) Get printer from garage sale
2.) Get paper from recycle bins (look for paper with little written on it, whiteout if you wanna be really neat)

[Killer Enigma]

Many people have given good advice to these rebellious teenage "leftists". Writing on walls is not revolutionary, least of all in a bathroom.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Killer [email protected] 24, 2007 04:03 pm
Many people have given good advice to these rebellious teenage "leftists". Writing on walls is not revolutionary, least of all in a bathroom.
No one here has claimed graffiti is a revolutionary act. It's just a way of disseminating dissent and information, like distributing a paper or leaflets. It just happens to be on walls instead of in your hands. No one is pretending that we're going to destroy capitalism with a sharpie. Graffiti is a form of art, and like any other form of art, it can be political too. What's your problem with that?

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by Red October+November 24, 2007 09:19 pm--> (Red October @ November 24, 2007 09:19 pm)
Killer [email protected] 24, 2007 04:03 pm
Many people have given good advice to these rebellious teenage "leftists". Writing on walls is not revolutionary, least of all in a bathroom.
No one here has claimed graffiti is a revolutionary act. It's just a way of disseminating dissent and information, like distributing a paper or leaflets. It just happens to be on walls instead of in your hands. No one is pretending that we're going to destroy capitalism with a sharpie. Graffiti is a form of art, and like any other form of art, it can be political too. What's your problem with that? [/b]
The fact that it is accomplishing absolutely dick (besides wasting taxpayer money which is supposed to go towards the school, and creating unnessesary work for janitors), and when using leftist symbols will only draw attention of those who would not contribute to the revolution in the first place, while turning potential allies off from it.

[Red October]

Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.

[crimsonzephyr]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 25, 2007 01:42 am
Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.
A hammer and sickle probably wont do much for someone, it could but i think the best way to spread views through graffiti is a short quote or political message. That way people could start a conversation about it. It could happen with drawing symbols but the chances seem lower to me.

[Red October]

Originally posted by hardee+November 24, 2007 09:43 pm--> (hardee @ November 24, 2007 09:43 pm)
Red [email protected] 25, 2007 01:42 am
Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.
A hammer and sickle probably wont do much for someone, it could but i think the best way to spread views through graffiti is a short quote or political message. That way people could start a conversation about it. It could happen with drawing symbols but the chances seem lower to me. [/b]
I was just using that as an example. You could write whatever the fuck you want, the point is free expression.

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 25, 2007 01:42 am
Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.
/me facepalms

what a bunch of pretentious kiddies

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 10, 2007 05:56 pm
I'd rather scrub graffiti than mop shit. I had to clean off graffiti as punishment in school and it wasn't too hard. It actually helped me figure out ways to make my graffiti more permanent. Sharpies just don't cut it anymore, you need to upgrade your materials.
The problem is that you don't get to skip one task when you are a janitor when some new thing like graffiti comes up - you get to "mop shit" and then clean the graffiti afterward as well. That does not help out a schedule that gets tight at times.

Graffiti only would have an effective attribute in a period of massive revolutionary sentiment (clearly not the case today, for the most part.), and I am sure that there are plenty of places to use that would be far better than a bathroom in such a case.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 05:22 am
I normally don't like what I could call hooligan tactics, but as a janitor that has worked in public schools for over three years, I really despise this thread.

And substituting a small handful of spraypainters for the conscious movement of the working class is not going to advance the revolution a single inch.
He is a bit dour, isn't he? In this case though he is absolutely right. This is one of the most pathetic threads I have seen on RevLeft outside of chit-chat.

Devrim

[KappaDelta]

Originally posted by Coprolal1an+November 25, 2007 03:51 am--> (Coprolal1an @ November 25, 2007 03:51 am)
Red [email protected] 25, 2007 01:42 am
Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.
/me facepalms

what a bunch of pretentious kiddies [/b]
What an ironically pretentious statement.

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by KappaDelta+November 25, 2007 10:56 pm--> (KappaDelta @ November 25, 2007 10:56 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 03:51 am

Red [email protected] 25, 2007 01:42 am
Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.
/me facepalms

what a bunch of pretentious kiddies
What an ironically pretentious statement. [/b]
Much like you fight fire with fire, you must fight pretentious kids by being pretentious yourself...

[Red October]

Originally posted by Coprolal1an+November 25, 2007 08:26 pm--> (Coprolal1an @ November 25, 2007 08:26 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 10:56 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 03:51 am

Red [email protected] 25, 2007 01:42 am
Do you have any evidence other than your own prejudices that graffiti will turn people off of leftism? One of the things that got me interested in leftism was graffiti I saw and wanted to know more about. Honestly, I don't think you know jackshit about this. Graffiti interests a lot of people in our society and adding a political message into it can help our cause. Of course drawing a hammer and sickle on a wall doesn't do much to overthrow capitalism, but it may do something for someone else.
/me facepalms

what a bunch of pretentious kiddies
What an ironically pretentious statement.
Much like you fight fire with fire, you must fight pretentious kids by being pretentious yourself... [/b]
You're just being a dick about something you don't understand. As I've said before, we know it's not a revolutionary action. It's free expression and art. And quite honestly, public schools should not be exempt as targets. Where I live, they're shitty, oppressive boxes run by assholes and I don't think they should be treated any differently than any other tool of the state. If you vandalize a military base, someone is still going to have to clean it up. It sucks, but thats how it goes. Someone always has to clean up after us. When I was doing bathroom graffiti in my school, the janitor didn't even clean it up, he let us do it as a form of punishment for kids who get in trouble. I didn't really mind the work, though I did feel a little bad about cleaning off other people's graffiti, some of which was pretty good.

[w0lf]

You inspired me to graffiti some stalls. I'll probably use a stencil or something. Not worth a ratsarse in drawing.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2007 09:09 pm
You inspired me to graffiti some stalls. I'll probably use a stencil or something. Not worth a ratsarse in drawing.
Well, of course I don't advocate vandalism...you should always have permission from the property owner before you put up graffiti on their stuff. Otherwise you're breaking the law, and that's silly :P

[Sam_b]

It's free expression and art

At the expense of a fellow worker.

And how exactly is someone scrawling "CH3 GU3VARA!!!1111" on a wall with marker pen art exactly?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 02:31 pm

It's free expression and art

At the expense of a fellow worker.

And how exactly is someone scrawling "CH3 GU3VARA!!!1111" on a wall with marker pen art exactly?
Yes, that'd totally the sort of thing that's common in graffiti. Who are you to define what is and what is not art? Don't be such a prick.

[Sam_b]

Who are you to define what is and what is not art?

I'm not. I'm merely stating a fact that a slogan scrawled on a wall isn't art.

[crimsonzephyr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 07:31 pm

It's free expression and art

At the expense of a fellow worker.

And how exactly is someone scrawling "CH3 GU3VARA!!!1111" on a wall with marker pen art exactly?
writing "CH3 GU3VARA!!!1111" on walls is not "good graffiti". If anyone writes that on a wall im sure its one of those people that wear ches shirts thinking theyre cool, but not knowing who he is or what he stands for. writing political messages or other things to express yourself is fine from my persective.

[Killer Enigma]

You're just being a dick about something you don't understand. As I've said before, we know it's not a revolutionary action. It's free expression and art.
Grow up. No one is impressed that a high school kid writes messages on a bathroom stall, thereby creating work for other people to clean up. Let me ask you: When you see something written like "Fuck Jews" (I have seen much worse), does this cause you to hate the Jewish people? Does it stir up antisemitism in you? Do you go home and research the "positive effects" of antisemitism in history or the "grandeur of Adolf Hitler"?

It's naive at best for you to think that bathroom stall graffiti will raise interest, cause people to think about communism, or anything similar. You overrate and flatter yourself far too much.

Write something. Get involved in a club. Start playing an instrument. You're young and you have better, more productive things you could be doing than drawing pictures on bathroom stalls, pretending as if you are somehow subverting the school.


And quite honestly, public schools should not be exempt as targets. Where I live, they're shitty, oppressive boxes run by assholes and I don't think they should be treated any differently than any other tool of the state.
Get involved in bettering your school and community. Your graffiti does nothing positive for anyone. There are many more constructive outlets to utilize "free expression".


If you vandalize a military base, someone is still going to have to clean it up. It sucks, but thats how it goes. Someone always has to clean up after us.
Actually, that's not at all "how it goes". You have control over the situation. You are knowingly (and given that you acknowledge the consequences for others, I would say maliciously) committing an action which harms others, workers nevertheless.


When I was doing bathroom graffiti in my school, the janitor didn't even clean it up, he let us do it as a form of punishment for kids who get in trouble. I didn't really mind the work, though I did feel a little bad about cleaning off other people's graffiti, some of which was pretty good.
It sounds like your principal is a smart man.

[Coprolal1an]

Originally posted by Red October+November 26, 2007 01:48 am--> (Red October @ November 26, 2007 01:48 am)
[email protected] 25, 2007 08:26 pm
ou must fight pretentious kids by being pretentious yourself...
You're just being a dick about something you don't understand. [/b]
HAHAHA

What is there to understand? I go to highschool and I know your type--the type that scribbles on wall (OMG UBER AWESOME STENCILS AND PEN MARKS) in the bathroom, thinking that its their right to "free expression" or they are furthering the revolution.. It's just asshattery of the highest level. All you accomplish is more work for workers, and that is much worse than any "positive outcome" (lulz) that will come of scribbling on walls.



Where I live, they're shitty, oppressive boxes run by assholes and I don't think they should be treated any differently than any other tool of the state.

Oh BAWWWWW they get mad when you cause them to have to clean up your mess, or do things required by the state? Would you rather schools be privatized? The public school system is a socialist idea if I've ever seen one, and we are far better off with a public school system where anyone can attend, than with some private school system where you have to wear a pepsi t-shirt and daily pledge your alliegence to DELICIOUS REFRESHING PEPSI.

In conclusion, grow up. Like killer enigma said; join a club and talk to people, or like I said, give out leaflets.

[redcannon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 08:55 pm

Oh BAWWWWW they get mad when you cause them to have to clean up your mess, or do things required by the state? Would you rather schools be privatized? The public school system is a socialist idea if I've ever seen one, and we are far better off with a public school system where anyone can attend, than with some private school system where you have to wear a pepsi t-shirt and daily pledge your alliegence to DELICIOUS REFRESHING PEPSI.


hah! public schools might be a socialist idea but its purpose is to reinforce capitalism. We may as well pledge allegiance to delicious refreshing pepsi (even though pepsi sucks) its not much different than pledging to the american flag. the idea is still the same in a public school as in any, and that is that capitalism=good and communism=bad, so I wouldn't be praising it in the least.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Killer [email protected] 30, 2007 03:47 pm
Write something. Get involved in a club. Start playing an instrument. You're young and you have better, more productive things you could be doing than drawing pictures on bathroom stalls, pretending as if you are somehow subverting the school.


And quite honestly, public schools should not be exempt as targets. Where I live, they're shitty, oppressive boxes run by assholes and I don't think they should be treated any differently than any other tool of the state.
Get involved in bettering your school and community. Your graffiti does nothing positive for anyone. There are many more constructive outlets to utilize "free expression".


If you vandalize a military base, someone is still going to have to clean it up. It sucks, but thats how it goes. Someone always has to clean up after us.
Actually, that's not at all "how it goes". You have control over the situation. You are knowingly (and given that you acknowledge the consequences for others, I would say maliciously) committing an action which harms others, workers nevertheless.


When I was doing bathroom graffiti in my school, the janitor didn't even clean it up, he let us do it as a form of punishment for kids who get in trouble. I didn't really mind the work, though I did feel a little bad about cleaning off other people's graffiti, some of which was pretty good.
It sounds like your principal is a smart man.
And what would you know about that? I know graffiti isn't going to overthrow capitalism, but if it makes people, even a few people, think about the issues presented, I don't see a problem with that. I've been active with local leftist organizations for over a year now and have more than just graffiti. Maybe if all I did was graffiti and never took part in anything else, you might have a case. Graffiti by itself can't do anything, but it can be effective at spreading awareness as part of a much broader strategy. Of course just writing "Che Guevara !!!!111!!!" isn't going to do anything, but if you write a statement that makes people think or provide them with a web address or something where they can get more information, it can work.

True, public schools are a good idea - in theory. Police are also supposedly here to protect us and serve the people. In practice, public schools do a lot of harm and are not institution that should be put on such a pedestal.

[Killer Enigma]

I know graffiti isn't going to overthrow capitalism, but if it makes people, even a few people, think about the issues presented, I don't see a problem with that.

...Of course just writing "Che Guevara !!!!111!!!" isn't going to do anything, but if you write a statement that makes people think or provide them with a web address or something where they can get more information, it can work.
I would like to quote myself, and repose my original question:

"Let me ask you: When you see something written like "Fuck Jews" (I have seen much worse), does this cause you to hate the Jewish people? Does it stir up antisemitism in you? Do you go home and research the "positive effects" of antisemitism in history or the "grandeur of Adolf Hitler"?"

[Red October]

Originally posted by Killer [email protected] 01, 2007 11:54 pm

I know graffiti isn't going to overthrow capitalism, but if it makes people, even a few people, think about the issues presented, I don't see a problem with that.

...Of course just writing "Che Guevara !!!!111!!!" isn't going to do anything, but if you write a statement that makes people think or provide them with a web address or something where they can get more information, it can work.
I would like to quote myself, and repose my original question:

"Let me ask you: When you see something written like "Fuck Jews" (I have seen much worse), does this cause you to hate the Jewish people? Does it stir up antisemitism in you? Do you go home and research the "positive effects" of antisemitism in history or the "grandeur of Adolf Hitler"?"
If I saw Nazi graffiti at my school, I would try to organize anti-fascist opposition within the school to counter it. If I saw communist graffiti at my school, I would try to find out who did it in case there were other leftists at my school I didn't know about.

[Sam_b]

If I saw communist graffiti at my school, I would try to find out who did it in case there were other leftists at my school I didn't know about.

Yes, you. Someone who already is in the left movement.

Any person who is not yet class conscious yadda yadda yadda is going to see that on a wall, look down on someone for messing up the bathroom with pointless graffiti, and more importantly, regard the left community there as being uncredible as this is how they have to put their message across; rather than organising.

The main message here is organise in your school!

[Red October]

The most negative response I ever got to the graffiti at my school was casual apathy. No one I talked to thought it was bad or detrimental to the school, not even the janitor. Sure, lots of people didn't care and got nothing out of it. But I think others did like it, so I don't see an issue with that. The graffiti was only a small part of the activism in the schools I did. We were able to organize a walkout and counter-recruitment activities as well. Fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about.

[Killer Enigma]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 03, 2007 03:45 am
The most negative response I ever got to the graffiti at my school was casual apathy. No one I talked to thought it was bad or detrimental to the school, not even the janitor. Sure, lots of people didn't care and got nothing out of it. But I think others did like it, so I don't see an issue with that. The graffiti was only a small part of the activism in the schools I did. We were able to organize a walkout and counter-recruitment activities as well. Fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about.
You might consider taking your own advice, then.

[Sam_b]

Sure, lots of people didn't care and got nothing out of it. But I think others did like it, so I don't see an issue with that.

Aah, you think!


Fuck off if you don't know what you're talking about.

As a former regional youth organiser, who played a part in school students joining pickets in support of their janitors in strikes a couple of years ago, I think that I may be allowed to say what I think, and perhaps I may know a bit about what I'm saying.

You're getting very defensive on this. Is that because so many people disagree with your tactics, that show them to be a detrimental force, and something that actually causes more hassle to the workers at schools than actually does any good?

Sloganeering is absolutely no compromise for class consciousness and radical education.

[Red October]

Like I said, it could be bad if that's the only tactic used, which it never was. And we already established that the janitors did not really care about it. So who exactly was hurt?

[Sam_b]

And we already established that the janitors did not really care about it

So when it comes time for the annual inspection of the facilities who will get the blame for it? Perhaps the janitors for not cleaning up?

And anyway, our school education system, both in the UK and US is pretty bankrupt with terrible facilities. Why make them worse with graffiti?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 08:11 pm

And we already established that the janitors did not really care about it

So when it comes time for the annual inspection of the facilities who will get the blame for it? Perhaps the janitors for not cleaning up?

And anyway, our school education system, both in the UK and US is pretty bankrupt with terrible facilities. Why make them worse with graffiti?
The janitors didn't clean it up, students assigned to detention did. I did it too, and it took about 2 pumps of a chemical spray bottle and 3 seconds of scrubbing. Then the janitor let me go early and not come the next day because he didn't really care. And the teachers administrators rarely ever saw graffiti because they have special bathrooms only they can use. And I never heard any complaints from anyone about the graffiti making the school look bad.

[Sam_b]

students assigned to detention did

I'm sure they were won over to the cause by doing it.

[Red Puppy]

private school system where you have to wear a pepsi t-shirt and daily pledge your alliegence to DELICIOUS REFRESHING PEPSI.

But...but...what if we want to pledge our intelligence to delicious refreshing Pepsi?

:unsure:

Just kidding, anyways, lets turn this thread around as it seems to be preparing to degenerate to yet another flame war, and instead, make it useful.

I don't think graffiti is the way to go. Even when graffiti can be useful, it would probably be at a much bigger scale--like something the general population would see, not just apathetic teens mostly going to school because the law/their parents make them. And even then, such large-scale graffiti takes organization, and would warrant more than a slap on the wrist in punishment.

How about we suggest some ways to organize fellow students? Suggest quotes, bullet points that are relevant, etc.?