Michael Moore

[Lenin II]

Why do so many people on this site have such animosity towards Michael Moore? He has been praised by the USA Communist Party and the International Socialist Organization for Fahrenheit 9/11, which i thought was an excellent movie. Please know that I do NOT support the Democrats, but I do practice “strategic voting” at times when I feel it is in the best interest of workers for the short term. I just want to know why there is such a hatred for a man who is making steps in the right direction for our cause.

[Capcomm]

appart from the fact that the guy is genuinly annoying, well he doesn't have a clue about some of the things he talks about, specially about other countries around the world as if to somehow making the US look bad. Sure this country has many things going wrong, and Farenheit had many truths, but the guy praises Castro and others, whom any real person with a Marxist understanding would just laugh...

[Ihavenoidea]

He is making steps in the right direction. I agree. Personally I like his work

But a lot of the things he said on his Awful truth TV show was untrue.

Like Gay rights being the final frontire of a democratic america. (HA)

And sometimes the things he can say are way to sarcastic... It is annoying. His movies are good (namely bowling for columbine but I do think he missed the point in that movie by a long shot)... The show is TERRIBLE.

Have you seen those counter attacks at Michel Moore by a person who probably is getting paid off my the government. lol.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 08:59 pm
appart from the fact that the guy is genuinly annoying, well he doesn't have a clue about some of the things he talks about, specially about other countries around the world as if to somehow making the US look bad. Sure this country has many things going wrong, and Farenheit had many truths, but the guy praises Castro and others, whom any real person with a Marxist understanding would just laugh...
Michael Moore praises Castro? I have never seen that and I have read a few of his books. I have a few problems with Moore. I enjoy his movies but I don't like some of his ideas. Like he campaigned for the Democrats before and he talks about how Mumia Abu Jamal "probably did it". Most of all he is just another capitalist. But I like that he brings truths that are kept on the down low out into the public. Like talking about how the US has been overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South America for the past half century.

He might not be the smartest person and he might be tilting his propaganda in the wrong direction but I enjoy the movies. Actually some of his books lead me into being more political. After I stopped reading what he wrote and I read other things I came into what I am today. They were like a gateway book.

And I wouldn't laugh at Fidel..... :blink:

[Ihavenoidea]

It really is a gateway. it gets people motivated who usually are not that political. Now tons of people are comming out with their Michel Moore inspired documentaries on corporate America and other issues.

Its a gateway for unpolitical people to get political, if it is a person who already knows all that stuff then it is just annoying. It is like kindergarden for people who are in high school.

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

He doesn't always do his homework and the righties find him easy to refute (like Rush Limbaugh for us) but he has at least brought light to some things that sure could use it right now.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 09:13 pm
It really is a gateway. it gets people motivated who usually are not that political. Now tons of people are comming out with their Michel Moore inspired documentaries on corporate America and other issues.

Its a gateway for unpolitical people to get political, if it is a person who already knows all that stuff then it is just annoying. It is like kindergarden for people who are in high school.
Yes very much like a kindergarden. The books are very easy to understand so that people less familiar with the situation can understand. And since the movies were pretty well known that makes it easier to pick up one of his books. It is much harder to get into a Noam Chomsky book when you are younger or to even hear about Noam Chomsky.

Personally, my favorite movie of his is Roger and Me. It is about GM laying off a bunch of Workers in Moore's old hometown of Flint, Michigan. If you haven't seen it or heard of it go check it out. Here is a clip from the movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sD6boQfvk...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sD6boQfvk&mode=related&search=)

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 05:06 am
Have you seen those counter attacks at Michel Moore by a person who probably is getting paid off my the government. lol.
AHAHAHA, you bet I have. I used to work at a movie theater, and they even made a response documentary called Celsius. We ran it for one week, which is the smallest amount of time a movie can run, and precisely three people came to see it. And this is in Pearl, Mississippi—white trash and therefore conservative capitol—where I used to live. Pathetic.

All righty efforts to label him as “highly inaccurate” are truly sad. He has the facts behind Fahrenheit posted on his web site, if his critics ever bothered to check him out.

[abrupt]

an open letter from David Diaz to Michael Moore

You're a tool. I can't believe I used to think you were cool. I even posted your open letter to George W. Bush on my boards. I used to think that people like you were there to expose the truth, now I know that you were nothing more than a "weak liberal" purposely placed to whitewash the truth and really help the ones you claim to be against, like another fake "Colms" on Fox.

This is actually not something I just found out. I've known for a fact you were a fraud for around half a year now. It took much better films by people who are not afraid to barely scratch the surface for me to have a better idea of how deep it goes, and the truth goes far far deeper than what you attempt to suggest on Farenheit 9/11. And then when I sat and watched "Martial Law 911: Rise Of The Police State" by Alex Jones, your response to his questions made it official. You have been pandoring to the same president you have been criticizing, and I no longer support you.

When asked by Alex Jones why you didn't talk about NORAD standing down (let alone building seven or the pentagon), "why not the real 9/11 issues", you replied, "that would be un-american", and I think everyone that once supported you should know that you said that so they know where you really stand. Martial Law does what Farenheit 9/11 should have done. For starters, the title "Farenheit 9/11" is obviously a spin off of "Farenheit 451", a book about a future in which the government controls our lives and society lives in a police state. The farthest you went to explain our freedoms being taken away was talking about how they use the patriot act to spy on old people. Does that sound like a "Farenheit 451" style police state? No. The truth is, there are many worse things that can and are being done with the patriot act, and it's not for patriotism, and it hasn't stopped terrorism...

In short, I haven't gone to your website since your fake attemp to stop Bush, and I urge everyone I know to stop supporting you because you are a fake revolutionary. Your dvd currently sits on the bottom of my stack right below "About Schmidt"... and I even tried selling it on ebay but noone would buy it. Good job on Bowling For Columbine, though. Too bad you sold out after that. Now you only say true things everyone already knows, and by doing so you help discredit the truth because of your own image and credibility. Time to hang it up, cause now that you've sold out you can't go back. That would be wrong. In fact, that would be un-american.


PEACE
MrSOS



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If any of you haven't seen Martial Law yet... peep it. It's a bit long, but very informative.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...1&q=martial+law (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=martial+law)


And here is the newest flick exposing 9/11 without a doubt, as well as exposing 7/7 bombings and a quick overview of the history of government sponsored terrorism. It's another Alex Jones flick called TerrorStorm, and you can peep it here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=78...0&q=TerrorStorm (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=TerrorStorm)


I feel like we have two futures ahead of us and that we decide which future we want. In one future DVDs and CDs that speak the truth are banned, and in another future they are classics. I pick #2. How about you?





posted by MR SOS. i felt this was a pretty appropriate place for this

[Rollo]

He'sa liberal crazy, so is the CPUSA.

[Chicano Shamrock]

To Abrupt:

Alex Jones is a nut. He tells everyone that communism and anarchism are bad. He then tells you that the police state is coming which it may be but he tries to discredit the movements that would stop the capitalist police state. He is just another loony religious fanatic. In my eyes he is a disinformation propagandist.

[Guerrilla22]

Alex Jones is a nut, no one takes him seriously.

[abrupt]

Originally posted by Chicano [email protected] 05, 2007 06:54 am
To Abrupt:

Alex Jones is a nut. He tells everyone that communism and anarchism are bad. He then tells you that the police state is coming which it may be but he tries to discredit the movements that would stop the capitalist police state. He is just another loony religious fanatic. In my eyes he is a disinformation propagandist.
i have never even heard of alex jones before. i was just reposting something i have seen before. notice that i put "posted by mr sos

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by abrupt+March 05, 2007 09:14 am--> (abrupt @ March 05, 2007 09:14 am)
Chicano [email protected] 05, 2007 06:54 am
To Abrupt:

Alex Jones is a nut. He tells everyone that communism and anarchism are bad. He then tells you that the police state is coming which it may be but he tries to discredit the movements that would stop the capitalist police state. He is just another loony religious fanatic. In my eyes he is a disinformation propagandist.
i have never even heard of alex jones before. i was just reposting something i have seen before. notice that i put "posted by mr sos [/b]
Ok I see now. But if you don't know who he is then why post a message that promotes him? What was the point of the message then? By the way watch one of his movies. They are entertaining but they are just nutty propaganda.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by Chicano Shamrock+March 05, 2007 08:56 pm--> (Chicano Shamrock @ March 05, 2007 08:56 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 09:14 am

Chicano [email protected] 05, 2007 06:54 am
To Abrupt:

Alex Jones is a nut. He tells everyone that communism and anarchism are bad. He then tells you that the police state is coming which it may be but he tries to discredit the movements that would stop the capitalist police state. He is just another loony religious fanatic. In my eyes he is a disinformation propagandist.
i have never even heard of alex jones before. i was just reposting something i have seen before. notice that i put "posted by mr sos
Ok I see now. But if you don't know who he is then why post a message that promotes him? What was the point of the message then? By the way watch one of his movies. They are entertaining but they are just nutty propaganda. [/b]
I recommend “Terrorstorm.” It’s a fast-paced film that shows the case for the Bush Administration and the New World Order orchestrating 9/11 in order to invade Iraq and gain control over the oil supply, as well as keep the people under control through fear. Definitely don’t believe everything Jones says, but a damn good movie.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

he's a classic liberal. Simple as that. Farenheit 9/11 is interesting but his 'vote democrat' politics are straight up wrong.

[rouchambeau]

http://www.nathanielturner.com/connectingthedots.htm

A bit on his latent racism.

[Capcomm]

he's a classic liberal. Simple as that. Farenheit 9/11 is interesting but his 'vote democrat' politics are straight up wrong.

Thats not true actually, your very wrong. Classical Liberals are what are called "Conservatives" in America, so Ann Coulter and people like that are actually Classical Liberals, not Michael Moore.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 10:47 pm
http://www.nathanielturner.com/connectingthedots.htm
A bit on his latent racism.
From the article:

"Whether bemoaning the middle class’s difficulty paying the mortgage or rallying those who have access to voting to defeat Bush in the 2004 presidential election, Moore remains upbeat about the ability of the (free) citizenry to reform the re/public. At one point Moore concludes, “There is a country I would like to tell you about. It is a country like no other on the planet…It is a very, very liberal, liberated, and free-thinking country…This Land O’ Left paradise I speak of is none other than…the United States of America!” Not only is Moore’s optimism white-centered in that it speaks from the position of someone who’s lived a life much different than most non-whites in the US, it expresses an inherent commitment to a white supremacist state and the white citizenry."

...Ok, I just read that whole article and didn't see a single coherant reason why he's racist. If you have nothing to back up your argument, don't bother us with it.

[Guevarist]

His liberal statements are too soft for our liking. but i think moore can bring certain things mainstream. I mean most people are frightened of communists and anarchists, and he brings here and there some consiousness to the masses.....

[Ander]

I don't understand how some one who sees all the faults with capitalism can still support it. :huh:

[Capcomm]

I don't understand how some one who sees all the faults with capitalism can still support it.

:huh: You mean Marx?

[abrupt]

Originally posted by Chicano Shamrock+March 05, 2007 08:56 pm--> (Chicano Shamrock @ March 05, 2007 08:56 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 09:14 am

Chicano [email protected] 05, 2007 06:54 am
To Abrupt:

Alex Jones is a nut. He tells everyone that communism and anarchism are bad. He then tells you that the police state is coming which it may be but he tries to discredit the movements that would stop the capitalist police state. He is just another loony religious fanatic. In my eyes he is a disinformation propagandist.
i have never even heard of alex jones before. i was just reposting something i have seen before. notice that i put "posted by mr sos
Ok I see now. But if you don't know who he is then why post a message that promotes him? What was the point of the message then? By the way watch one of his movies. They are entertaining but they are just nutty propaganda. [/b]
im crazy like that. i havnt heard of alex jones, wonderin what u all thought. i saw the post before and thought it was relevent.

[Ander]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 02:55 am

I don't understand how some one who sees all the faults with capitalism can still support it.

:huh: You mean Marx?
No...Moore.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Useful in so far as he has brought many potential conservatives to the extremely mild left. He's not doing any harm, but if the political paradigm shifts in our direction, he'll be our enemy.

Did a good job exposing Cheney and Halliburton, and the horrid extent of corporate influence on governmental policy.

-Alex

[RNK]

I feel Moore has only scratched the surface of the tip of the iceberg. I think he has a lot of good things to say, but he is incapable or unwilling to carry it further to it's obvious conclusion. He showcases what's wrong with capitalist society, but then seems to believe (and make the viewer believe) that democrats and liberals will somehow get rid of corporate corruption and capitalist exploitation as soon as the conservative right-wingers are pushed out of the government.

[UndergroundConnexion]

he did praise Fidel in the book "downsize this". Apart from this I appreciate that he is trying to raise the conciousnes of americans (because here in europe we know well who is right n who is right, but that isnt always the case in the US)