Idiots supporting the BNP

[welshred]

There are two people in my year at school who defend the BNP claiming that they are not racist. Stuff they come out with is unbelievable, such as "they are putting the british people first" and "they have distanced themselves from the racsim and groups like combat 18". They are really pissing me off and I feel like giving both of them a good kicking.

[Kaelin]

why not? they're fash, or at least fash supporters (although ideally if you could destroy them through argument and debate that'd be better)...

[welshred]

Im afraid arguement has failed. one of them is a paid up memeber of the conservative party.I would feel very satisfied in giving him a good beating.

[Okocim]

lol, bnp and tory bastards.

like hell they've have "have distanced themselves from the racism and groups like combat 18". You only need to look at photos of the bastards at their recent "conference" (lol) to see how untrue this is.

in my experience the majority of members are racist fucks. but a tiny minority may just be kids drawn in by the feeling of power, superiority and fitting-in that this kind of racist ideology provides. The bnp lie in order to draw in these people, they scapegoat immigrants for problems caused by capitalism, they use them as an excuse to hide the real problems in british society and they preach hatred to all who fall into their trap whether through ignorance or just generally being pissed off at the state of our society.

the problem isn't immigrants, we're not overcrowded, we've plenty of room for more if NL pulls the finger out and builds some more houses (which are NOT as the bnp says being all used up by immigrants, they're simply being bought up due to the legislation brought in by thatcher to divide the working class), stops laying off hospital workers in favour of middle managers and stops closing down stateschools to be replaced by capitalist "PFI" academies which are a load of crap. the problem is capitalism, oppression and the unrepresentative, unequal, bourgeois "democracy" in which we live.


it's not hard to defeat the bnp's racist lies and propaganda, a quick search around revleft and keeping on top of current affairs will enable you to do it. and if not, well....there's always the Trotsky quote regarding heads and pavements. ;) (i joke of course, i'd never incite violence!)
alternatively (and we should always look for a non-violent solution when dealing with young members who may have just been naively drawn in), you could point out to your classmates the disgusting ideas their fellow students hold, the "voluntary repatriation" many of them will be subject to if (LOL!) the bnp ever got into power - then just let them tell these nazis what they think of them.


good luck comrade :hammer:

[redcannon]

it's times like these we should all pump on the volume to Oi Polloi's "Bash the Fash" written specifically in assault to BNP scum.

[luxemburg89]

Theres quite a few tiny fascist groups in this country, reckon the BNP would try and pull them together?

[teviresool]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 05:35 pm
I feel like giving both of them a good kicking.
If you have the moral high ground why do you have to resort to violence?
Does communism mean equal rights for all? If so then if violence is right for one its right for all. That being so I suppose you support this link.
By the way I'm a BNP candidate and in a mixed race marriage. The other day I gave a speech to some Blacks in Speke (election on the 8th) and explained to them that the BNP do well in Birmingham only with the help of the Black, Hindu and Sikh voters. My wedding pictures helped cut the ice and while I don't expect many of them will vote for me now they will in the future. I'll say goodbye to you all now as unlike the BNP website "your say" opposing views and free speech will not be tolerated here and I'll be banned. I would love to chat to you all on SF but it's proscribed in the BNP so I'll chat on "your say".

no to violence (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=63440)

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

How can you reconcile your ideas of racial tolerance with that of your party then? Or are you the "hook" to get the immigrant vote so you can deport them?

But honestly Welshred, I think it's not particularily clever or productive to just beat up your ideological opponenets. Be more creative and show everyone around you why the ideas they promote are not right. Otherwise you've only managed to show that you can cause physical harm to people, and that doesn't refute fascism in any way. As far as "stopping it from spreading" or what ever, I can safely say that this tumour is benign and will be for quite some time.

Even if governments decided to follow an authoritarian system under threat they wouldn't dare solicit the help of such unlikeable groups. Instead it would be "emergency powers" or something of that sort.

[welshred]

I know beating up opponets is not the best way I said I only felt like doing it. Anyway It surprising just how many people support the fash. Most people dont like left wing polotics and it feels like Im going against the tide sometimes.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 02:45 am
If you have the moral high ground why do you have to resort to violence?
Look at the history of the party members that lead you mate, you've got paedophiles, Cocaine dealers. And oh yea, people who have done time for racist attacks.

Then perhaps we should look at the history of your movement, the fascist, nationalist movement. I don't think I need to explore this avenue any further. Though of coruse, for the time being "peace" is far more likely to move the party forward than violence, thats tactical common sence. The BNP have learnt that lesson, and ours side has to. But we both know what happens in different social context don't we.


Does communism mean equal rights for all?

Not really. Rights are things handed down from a superior. We're talking about liberty.


I'll say goodbye to you all now as unlike the BNP website "your say" opposing views and free speech will not be tolerated here and I'll be banned. I would love to chat to you all on SF but it's proscribed in the BNP so I'll chat on "your say".

You're not being banned because of some Jewish conspiracy to cover up 'racial truth'. Open debate is important, but this forum has a directional purpose that doesn't involve your bigotry. Post on the Phora or something.
:lol:

[Socialist Dave]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 10:18 pm
Theres quite a few tiny fascist groups in this country, reckon the BNP would try and pull them together?
The far right is even more split than the far left.

[lithium]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 02:45 am
By the way I'm a BNP candidate and in a mixed race marriage. The other day I gave a speech to some Blacks in Speke (election on the 8th) and explained to them that the BNP do well in Birmingham only with the help of the Black, Hindu and Sikh voters. My wedding pictures helped cut the ice and while I don't expect many of them will vote for me now they will in the future.
Ok, so let me get this straight. You are depending on votes from people of non-British origin in order to gain power, yet when you do get into power you plan to stop them entering Britain?

From the BNP website:



On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin.

...the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers.

6. We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them.


...etc, etc.

Just because a BNP member happens to be in a mixed-race marriage does not make the BNP any less racist.

[welshred]

Why do people still defend nazi groups like this? It is unbelievable.

[holly]

Hit them with some evidence they can't argue with.Make them lost for words.
Try the BNP website (yeah just grit your teeth and get on there!)

How about

We are constantly being told that judging people by whatever 'group' they belong to, is wrong and that everybody should be treated as an individual. Whilst at first this sounds very noble and proper it is, in fact, a fatally flawed methodology which is potentially very dangerous to the person who practises it. Let me explain why.

on hxxxp://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/discrimination.htm

That article blatantly encourages discrimination on the basis of preconcieved stereotypes of race.

(And my gods it has so many flaws in the argument! Im sure there are better articles you could show them. The likelihood is that like someone said they are using this party as a way to be different and elevate themselves with having some pathetic political ideology to cling to. I doubt there's that much research behind their claims..)


Oh, and apparently

Since average, hard working, law abiding, uncomplaining whites are by far the most discriminated against group of people in this country; I think that they should exercise a little discrimination of their own in the ballot box at the next election.

Of course they are.

[Whitten]

The BNP is openly racist. You cant be a member if your not white...

[Okocim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 09:42 pm
The BNP is openly racist. You cant be a member if your not white...
that's not technically true.

They've got that armenian guy and also there's that sikh who they often parade about on "bnp tv" (not entirely sure if he's a member though).

but still, clearly, they're not fooling anyone with self-hating idiots joining.

[Patchd]

^Exactly, remember when Hitler allowed a half-Jewish athlete to compete for Germany in the 1933 Olympic games, didn't mean he thought the Jews were fine and dandy.

If they BNP get into power, I'm pretty sure that Sikh guy would be in a camp of some sort.

[luxemburg89]

Do the BNP have a manifesto, well that i can view - the one on their website never seems to come up, i could just do with a laugh?

[Okocim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 10:55 pm
Do the BNP have a manifesto, well that i can view - the one on their website never seems to come up, i could just do with a laugh?
http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/man_menu.htm

have a good laugh.

[luxemburg89]

'twill be the best laugh comrade

[welshred]

Does anyone have figures of how many members they have and candidates? Reliable ones though.

[Okocim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:44 pm
Does anyone have figures of how many members they have and candidates? Reliable ones though.
Currently they have 53 local councillors (out of over 20,000 seats) although they presented about 350 candidates in the local elections last year.

here are their accounts for 2004:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/file...__N__S__W__.PDF (http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/files/dms/BNPRegionalAccountingUnit_18004-13314__E__N__S__W__.PDF)

for 2005:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/file...__N__S__W__.PDF (http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/files/dms/BritishNationalPartySOA2005_22684-16890__E__N__S__W__.PDF)
page 15 (marked page 13) has membership figures:
total of 6,502 for 2005 (6,356 for 2004)

so that's 146 extra members in a year: growth of 2.29%.

using the same % growth for 2006 we can estimate they had by the end of the year:
6651 members


of course, this is all estimates. Though, if true, it does mean the SWP, for all their faults, is bigger than the bnp. lol.

[Fodman]

They are really pissing me off and I feel like giving both of them a good kicking.
defeating someone through debate is always the best way to do it.

however, if they ever get into power (or try to, even though this would be highly unlikely), that may be the time to consider defending yourself, or leave the area - depressing, I know


i came to this conclusion after returning home (in Britain) after a week in Berlin. There I visited Sachenhausen and it made me feel extremely angry and sad, and I really felt like being violent to anybody who supported the behaviour or views of the Nazis, but then i realised that violence only attracts the wrong type of people - i.e. members of the BNP and various other nationalist associations

Words > Fists

[welshred]

I think in certain cases violence breeds violence but in others it is the only way to deal with fash members or fash supporters who are beyond reasoning.

[invocation]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 05:35 pm
There are two people in my year at school who defend the BNP claiming that they are not racist. Stuff they come out with is unbelievable, such as "they are putting the british people first" and "they have distanced themselves from the racsim and groups like combat 18". They are really pissing me off and I feel like giving both of them a good kicking.
As opposed to the French ? What year are you in? They may just be foolish naive children.

[Fodman]

when they say 'British' they mean white Anglo-Saxon (the original settlers on the land that is now known as Britain were in fact Druids and Celts - but the child-like minds in the BNP probably didn't know that)

[welshred]

I am in year 13, so a bit older than naive children. Yes they agree that British people are only brits if they are white, anglo saxons.

[invocation]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 06:42 pm
I am in year 13, so a bit older than naive children. Yes they agree that British people are only brits if they are white, anglo saxons.
Tell them the BNP are a bunch of white supremacists who want to deport all non-whites. Failing that they've claim they want to build actual walls to divide blacks/whites etc. They seriously have said this in the past.

[socialistpunk]

so what do they class scottish people as then ? cause we are infact picts or scots depending on were you live to be hounest. I don't get there idiot beleifs in anglo saxons being british there infact danes and some came from france.

[welshred]

I remeber seeing an anti BNP poster that said St george was turkish, it was the first I heard of it.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 10:18 pm
Theres quite a few tiny fascist groups in this country, reckon the BNP would try and pull them together?
This has been tried, and the far right appears to be far more fragmented and demobalised even than us.

The BNP is, however, draining other groups membership.

[welshred]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 13, 2007 09:06 pm


The BNP is, however, draining other groups membership.
A lot of people who have become disillusioned with labor have been voting for the BNP in some areas. These are mainly working class areas as well. We need to do somthing to combat this now.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 09:15 am
A lot of people who have become disillusioned with labor have been voting for the BNP in some areas. These are mainly working class areas as well. We need to do somthing to combat this now.
We do.

But, spouting anti-racist rhetoric isn't the way to go. It seems too abstract and surreal. The BNP are claiming to offer a solid solutions to real, material problems, unemployment, housings, Health care, and increasing violence. And we come across as pretentious moral crusaders who don't care about the material implications of our "morality" when al lwe respond with is "fuck racism"

We're not anti-racist for the sake of some superstitious moral code, I know, but rather than tell people they are racist scum for supporting the BNP will lead them to the think that "racism is good" - The far right has dropped it's rhetoric spouting and immature look, for suits, straight talking, and 'facts' and statistics This is a clever move, it makes their views seem, legitimate and well thought out. Although it essentially amounts to "No blacks!" or "It's all a Jewish conspiracy" - Anti-fascist rethoric worked will against this sort of bigotry. But we need to be more professional when dealing with this new manifestation. Or it will be we who look like the delusional nutters.

The ex-labour/conservative voters have been hoodwinked into thinking that the BNP is a material solution, and we need to show how this is infact not so. That the BNP will simply extend the logic of the current system, and exacerbate current problems. Solidifying state power making it very hard to hit back.

We also have the problem that when arguing against the BNP, depending how we approach the situation, we inadvertantly take the side of capitalism. A lot of people hate capitalism, or the ills of capitalism, (though they may not be able to label as such) like counsil housing, long NHS waiting lists, pollution, gang crime etc. And the BNP pretends to challenge all this, whereas we often respond by explaing how immigrants bring in far more money than they cost, far more money for who though?

[Tommy-K]

Since average, hard working, law abiding, uncomplaining whites are by far the most discriminated against group of people in this country.

What?!?!?!

This site should be taken down. Wait, no, this party should be taken down. It sickens me to think that they are allowed to get away with saying things like that, yet if we lefties conduct so much as a peaceful protest against global warming we are slammed in a piss-stained cell for the night.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

LU, what are you suggesting? Do you think the left should become more involved in parliamentary politics?

[Raúl Duke]

I think he's suggesting a change of rhetoric to challenge the rhetoric use by the BNP.

Or to develop a "more professional look" so to fight these "more professional than before" fascists (not using the word accurately, I know)

I suppose LU should elaborate on his position anyway though, with possible suggestions on how to look "professional" towards the masses and against this new manifestation.

[fashbash]

Knocking these guys about a bit might make you feel better, but to cause lasting damage to the right we need to destroy their ideology.

The whole notion of the right being grounded in 'common sense', as so many tories and facists claim, is just silly. There is one main theme running through the ideology of the right; immigration is bad for the 'indigenous' people of the nation into which people are migrating. In the context of the UK this means that foriegn nationals entering the country either legally or illegally, are doing so to the detriment of the British working class.

They can lay claim to the erosion of traditional 'British' values through the influence of other cultures. They can point to evidence of unemployment for the working class, and indeed they are correct to some extent to say the old line; 'they come over here, take our jobs...' because effectively they're right. Foriegn nationals now do a lot of the work that the working class used to do, particularly in areas of arable farming.

And it is from these two, perfectly plausible ideas, that the right can justify it's other claims. It is surely common sense to say that if a nation is influenced by a wider sphere of cultures than the ones they have been restricted to for hundreds of years, that nation is going to shift it's values. Therefore the right are spot on to say that traditional values are being eroded, because they undoubtedly are. The left should not be arguing that they aren't, they should be arguing that this is a positive change.

To change the views of another person is very, very difficult, but it can be done. The right lays the blame for society's problems at the door of Johnny Foriegner, but the left knows they are just clouding the issue, that the real blame is to be held by the Capitalist class. If a leftist has read enough background, has enough Marx and Engels under their belt, they can go on to read more recent leftist work, and be prepared to counteract the argument of the right.

But most of all, the right should be treated with a smile, the same sort of smile one might give to a racist elderly relative who's views are old fashioned and outdated. They're on their way out, when they go their views will go with them. When one side of an argument are laughing at the other, the other has already lost.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 11:04 pm
I suppose LU should elaborate on his position anyway though, with possible suggestions on how to look "professional" towards the masses and against this new manifestation.
Take the studded jacket off, and shave the mohawk.


But most of all, the right should be treated with a smile, the same sort of smile one might give to a racist elderly relative who's views are old fashioned and outdated. They're on their way out, when they go their views will go with them. When one side of an argument are laughing at the other, the other has already lost.

No. I don't think "laughing it off" is an appropriate plan of action. To quote hitler;

"The only way the rise of the German nazi party could have been prevented was if its enemies had recognised it for what it was right at the start, and had smashed it in its infancy with utmost force"

[Robo the Hobo]

I suppose LU should elaborate on his position anyway though, with possible suggestions on how to look "professional" towards the masses and against this new manifestation.

The left need to calm down on getting rid of government and become the government. We can start acting 'civilised.' We need to stop just opposing everything, and organise around how we can get the system to work for us. We need to keep people involved even after they are about 30 or so. But most of all, we need to win a large ellection, and have four years of change followed by a hundred years more.

(Personally I am green party, as I am an invironmentalist, and their views just seem to make sence)

[Raúl Duke]

Take the studded jacket off, and shave the mohawk.

hmm, I thought not all anarchists wore the studded jackets and mohawks... (at least I don't use that.)

but other than that what other suggestions of professionalism should be used.

P.S. hmm....did you took my statement as in insult to your idea because of the use of ""? I use "" lot so don't mind that. I actually think your idea was interesting and just wanted you to elaborate deeply into your point.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by Robo the [email protected] 15, 2007 01:40 pm

I suppose LU should elaborate on his position anyway though, with possible suggestions on how to look "professional" towards the masses and against this new manifestation.

The left need to calm down on getting rid of government and become the government. We can start acting 'civilised.' We need to stop just opposing everything, and organise around how we can get the system to work for us. We need to keep people involved even after they are about 30 or so. But most of all, we need to win a large ellection, and have four years of change followed by a hundred years more.

(Personally I am green party, as I am an invironmentalist, and their views just seem to make sence)
The government can't work for us. The government is set up against us. We are the proletariat we are the ones getting fucked we are the ones who the system is rigged against. The green party won't do shit to help us. They will gloss over things and give you just enough so you won't revolt but not enough to be free. But then what about the people who aren't under the greens? The people outside of your country? What about the people your country uses to make themselves a first world country?

So your answer to the problems we have is to stop opposing...... and start condoning? That sickens me.

To the OP, I say you smack those fascists up a bit if you get the chance. Debating is well and good if people are around to laugh at the fascist but if no one is around just smash out a few teeth. It will sure fuck up their presentation while spreading their shit.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Robo the [email protected] 15, 2007 09:40 pm
(Personally I am green party, as I am an invironmentalist, and their views just seem to make sence)
So you openly support a pro-capitalist political party?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 10:24 pm
hmm....did you took my statement as in insult to your idea because of the use of ""? I use "" lot so don't mind that. I actually think your idea was interesting and just wanted you to elaborate deeply into your point.
Alright.

Well, to be honest my criticisms come from problems that I have personally observed with the antifascist movement. And the successes of the BNP.

And to be honest I can't really think of any obvious, solutions to the problems. In this seasons issue of "class war" they mentioned that the Rise of the BNP, the anti-immigrant sentiment in the media, and the collapse of Antifascist Action in the 90s, have all contributed to making the current climate as bleak as it is.

Im racking my brains to figure out practical ways of doing anything progressive, in light of the history of the antifascist movement the things that need to be done are almost undoable. In my eyes, mending the wounds between various splits from AFA ... (ANL, UAF, Antifa) and more publicity, and co-operation with local press are perhaps the best courses of action. But I know that both these ideas are, firstly very vague and illogistical, and also incredibly unpopular, particularly amongst the better antifascist groups, such as Anitfa. Which is a shame, and I don't entirely disagree with them. As I said, in light of everything that has happened there are good reasons for not working with other Antifascist groups, and not working in the media.

Perhaps another umbrella antifascist group, like the AFA should start up, drain all the other groups memberships and leave them to rot. Of course, this is a bit of a far fetched plan of action!

[Fight4freedom]

Sounds like a girl at my college. She's a cold hearted witch who hates foreigners with the exception of people from Germany, advocates eugenics and selective sterilisation, and is pro-war.

I assume most people have seen the pianist? She finds the film incredibly funny, especially the bit where Nazi's throw a disabled Jewish man out of a window. Even went as far to claim that it should happen here in the UK, because and i quote "Disabled people and Jews are a drain on society".

She's a bit of a contradiction of sorts though, whilst on one hand she claims the BNP have moved on and people should vote for them. On the other she spouts bullshit fascist rhetoric.

Put simply... there's no reasoning with some people as they're beyond the reach of reasoning. If she's like that I'd hate to meet the rest of her family.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 04:12 pm
Sounds like a girl at my college. She's a cold hearted witch who hates foreigners
ask her out.

keep your friends close, and your enemies in your bed.

[Fight4freedom]

Originally posted by Love Underground+April 16, 2007 04:15 pm--> (Love Underground @ April 16, 2007 04:15 pm)
[email protected] 16, 2007 04:12 pm
Sounds like a girl at my college. She's a cold hearted witch who hates foreigners
ask her out.

keep your friends close, and your enemies in your bed.[/b]
I would, but i wouldn't want to catch anything nasty :P

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by Fight4freedom+April 16, 2007 08:21 am--> (Fight4freedom @ April 16, 2007 08:21 am)
Originally posted by Love [email protected] 16, 2007 04:15 pm

[email protected] 16, 2007 04:12 pm
Sounds like a girl at my college. She's a cold hearted witch who hates foreigners
ask her out.

keep your friends close, and your enemies in your bed.
I would, but i wouldn't want to catch anything nasty :P [/b]
Ask her out and inject yourself with AIDS. Then spread it to her and after you break up she will spread it through her family. :lol: If she is so concerned with keeping the white race alive she might have to inbreed.

If not maybe just give her some leaflets. Maybe some extracts from this http://www.plp.org/pamphlets/smash_racism.html

But maybe some people are beyond our reach.

[luxemburg89]

bend the truth a little to make them seem worse - what damage can it do? if these people are stupid they'll be easy to convince - something like "they often contract out people to beat up non-whites and immigrants" say it was in the guardian last year or something like that. good old anti-fascist propaganda - i mean making stuff up against them won't really play on your conscience.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 09:27 pm
bend the truth a little to make them seem worse - what damage can it do? if these people are stupid they'll be easy to convince - something like "they often contract out people to beat up non-whites and immigrants" say it was in the guardian last year or something like that. good old anti-fascist propaganda - i mean making stuff up against them won't really play on your conscience.
why would we need to when they actually do loads of shitty things?

[fashbash]

LU: to paraphrase Bob Dylan (far better person to quote than Hitler, for soooo many reasons), in his autobiography he tells of a time he was being driven around northern ireland, not too long ago. His host was protestant, and they passed an Orangeman march. They talked about the conflict and his host told of how the orangemen can do as much marching as they like, the whole issue was no longer about violence. Even catholics thought the Orangemen were a joke. Dylan says:

'When one side is laughing at the other, the battle has already won'

or some such gubbins.

I can't be arsed to argue the point. You're probably right. Smash em. That will show them that the Left is right, yeah. Hell, lets dispose of our political opponents through unrelenting violence, that'll learn the buggers that we aren't tyannical or Stalinist.

You people who talk about violence against the BNP have a tendency to become very dangerous yourselves. Granted, I don't like the BNP and I would very vocally object to their prescence in my area, but violence is always to be avoided. It is a last resort. Granted it's often an effective last resort, but far less efective than assasination of political views. Destroy the BNP ideologically primarily, physically only if there is no other option, ie such as their power becomes too great to use any other route to dispose them.

I am very tired. Please forgive any mistakes in my writing. Fucking hate shift work.

[luxemburg89]

well said Fashbash. I agree with basically everything you have said. We do not want to create unnecessary violence, and, as such, should focus our aims on ideologically destroying them. I think that Propaganda is the best way to do this, and the media, and a lot of history itself, is propaganda. Again I stress that if we cannot obtain EVIDENCE of what they are doing, even if we know what they are up to, we should invent evidence. As I said cheating the fascists out of the political system is not going to weigh on our conscience. A larger problem than the BNP is the closet Nationalist Fascist Daily Mail - an old supporter of Oswald Mosley.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 07:03 am
You people who talk about violence against the BNP have a tendency to become very dangerous yourselves.
Ummm.... Your handle is Fash Bash :blink:

I don't think violence is a practical way of taking down the BNP. I do think it would be pretty fun to knock in some teeth of the supporters of BNP. I would put on my steel toed boots and give them a couple high kicks. But I live in the US and there are no BNP supporters where I am. There aren't any vocal klansmen here either. They hide like cowards because the bloods and crips would fucking roll up on their marches and mow 'em down.

[luxemburg89]

lol mate - its doesnt suprise me there are no BNP supporters in the US.

[welshred]

Is there an equivalent to the BNP in America?

[fashbash]

You people who talk about violence against the BNP have a tendency to become very dangerous yourselves.


Ummm.... Your handle is Fash Bash

Oui, c'est ironic non?