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commiecrusader
1st March 2007, 13:27
I go to university of Kent and this story is the front page of our university newspaper at the moment. I just thought this was crazy.


Gay outrage at ChristChurch bigotry - civil partnerships banned in Christ Church properties
Christ church university will refuse to permit gay couples to enter into civil partnerships on their campus.

The Civil Partnership Act was introduced in 2004 to enable homosexual couples the same legal rights as married couples. However, Christ Church University recently hit the national news when it emerged that they have decided not to allow the ceremonies to be performed in either of the two premises they own which are licensed to conduct civil marriages.

Founded by the Anglican Church with the Archbishop of Canterbury as its Chancellor, Christ Church University has always been controlled by the Church of England. This move demonstrated to its students just how much influence this can have on their university lives.

Rob Thorburn, Chrust Church Student Union president, was unhappy about the decision being made 'without consultation with the students or the Student Union'. He was annoyed that time had been spent on constructing an equal opportunities policy which had not been adhered to, saying that 'any organisation, especially a university, needs to base their decisions and rulings on the policy they have made.'

Thorburn felt the decision had instead been based on the beliefs and opinions of a few people within the university. He also commented that, with the widespread press coverage, gay students would inevitably be discouraged from applying to the university.

Although Christ Church Students' Union is yet to take a formal stance on the issue, a petition has been circulated and signed by numerous Christ Chuch students, including many from their LBGT society. The union is set to make an official decision within the next few days.

Here at the University of Kent, Kent union President Mike Haw believes not allowing civil partnerships to take place on Christ Chuch's property is 'fundamentally wrong'. He said 'it goes against all the equal opportunity policies tha they have;. Kent Union has passed a motion to condemn Christ Church's decision and plan to write a letter of support to the Student Union.

Kent LBGT executive, Max Ward said that Christ Church were effectively 'alienating themselves from a liberal community'. He commented ' they should not be ashamed of love, they should be ashamed of hate. They should be ashamed of themselves'.

Christ Church's Vice Chancellor, Professor Michael Wright, stated 'During 2006 I decided, in consultation with the Chairman of the Governing Body, to follow the church's position and welcome the concept of civil partnership but not regard it as equivalent to marriage. Civil partnership ceremonies have therefore not been held on the university's premises.'

Canterbury Christ Church is one of 11 higher education istitutions closely aligned with the Church of England. These include the University of Gloucestershire, which also has a license to conduct marriages on campus, but Gloucestershire's director of student services, Paul Drake, says his university has 'no plans to turn down any request for a civil partnership or ceremony from its staff or students'

It is probable that legal legislation will soon require premises offering civil marriages to also offer civil partnership ceremonies. Christ Church University will hold a debate on 27th March in order to make a decision whether to allow homosexual civil partnerships on their premises, or cease to provide civil marriage ceremonies to heterosexual couples. Ward commented that such a move would 'send a negative message not only to gay students, but to all of society.'

A march was held in Canterbury city centre on Saturday 17th February to protest against 'homophobia in organised religion.'. Demonstrator, Ray Duff, described Christ Church's decision as 'basically outrageous' and called for Christ Church to end the ban immediately. He said that he felt his MP, Julian Brazier, who is said to be supportive of Christ Church's decision, did not support their call for equality. Duff called him 'one of the biggest homophobes in Kent,' but said that he did not feel that Canterbury as a city had a problem with homophobia.

He did, however, accuse Christ Church of operating the ban covertly, saying this is why the decision was made in 2006 but has only just come to light. Chris Weller, a part-time student at the university, was at the demonstration and said he was 'very angry' at Christ Church.

'They're willing to take your money but they're not willing to give you full human rights. I feel that they've got to do a u-turn on this and start accepting everyone for who they are'.

Julian Brazier was contacted for his right of reply to this article but he had not yet replied at the time of going to print.

I couldn't believe it when I found out about this, I can't believe such a move would have been made. This is ignorance of the highest order.

commiecrusader
1st March 2007, 13:28
could a kind mod please change 'religion' to 'education' in the title? Thanks in advance.

Angry Young Man
6th March 2007, 21:32
Why would you go to Kent?
It seems like a really crap uni.
You never see it in the league tables.
In subject or overall.
And it's linked to the church.
Oxford only gets away with the last point because of the previous.
And Cohen lectures there.

holly
6th March 2007, 22:02
that's disgusting. just when it seems like there's a positive move forward something like that happens and you can see how biased and discriminatory people can be. universities can't be allowed to deny human rights! thats so wrong..oh. im annoyed now.:(

luxemburg89
6th March 2007, 22:52
seems to me like the church is trying to tighten its grip on some sort of ledge before it freefalls into an abyss. In other words the church seems to be struggling for its survival and as a result wants to show people that it still has power, it wont last long.

rouchambeau
7th March 2007, 02:54
Do you mean to take this one example and use it to state that
"church controlled" education should not exist. You do realize the falacious nature of such an argument, don't you?

Guerrilla22
7th March 2007, 05:43
Is it really so shocking that a school called Christ Church University would make such a policy? There are similar institutions such as Liberty and Bob Jones University in the US.

Eleutherios
7th March 2007, 07:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 02:54 am
Do you mean to take this one example and use it to state that
"church controlled" education should not exist. You do realize the falacious nature of such an argument, don't you?
Church controlled education is as preposterous as the idea of an education controlled church.

Black Dagger
7th March 2007, 13:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 12:54 pm
Do you mean to take this one example and use it to state that
"church controlled" education should not exist. You do realize the falacious nature of such an argument, don't you?
Why should 'the church' control the education of children? It's just another in for religious indoctrination.

Cheung Mo
7th March 2007, 17:24
Originally posted by Marijuanarchy+March 07, 2007 07:17 am--> (Marijuanarchy @ March 07, 2007 07:17 am)
[email protected] 07, 2007 02:54 am
Do you mean to take this one example and use it to state that
"church controlled" education should not exist. You do realize the falacious nature of such an argument, don't you?
Church controlled education is as preposterous as the idea of an education controlled church. [/b]
I agree, especially as a Canadian who is reasonably familiar with modern Quebecois history: The standard of living has increased dramatically, the minds of the people have opened up considerably (if still nowhere near enough) , and the quality and quantity of education is exponentially greater when a government of liberal and social democratic nationalists wrested control of the Quebecois state apparatus from the corrupt and reactionary Roman Catholic Church. Sure, the bourgerois character of the Quiet Revolution became evident by the tricks used by both the Liberal Party and the later Party Quebecois to marginalise radical reformists and revolutionaries within their ranks, but it did a lot of good for the people relative to the far-right's ultramontane authoritarianism.

Okocim
7th March 2007, 17:28
If it's anything like my university then the student newspaper will not be run by the university but by elected sabbaticals. Last year it was extremely right wing, this year we've got an islamic-soc member running it so whilst it's more leftie it's still not particularly great.

write a letter in complaining about the article.

Angry Young Man
7th March 2007, 19:03
Talking of church-controlled edumacation, should leftists object to the Oxbridge unis? They do have a continuing tie with the church and may appear fascistic, but GA Cohen teaches at Oxford and I heard somewhere that Cambridge has the largest marxist group in any student union in Britain.

rouchambeau
7th March 2007, 22:42
QUOTE (rouchambeau @ March 07, 2007 12:54 pm)
Do you mean to take this one example and use it to state that
"church controlled" education should not exist. You do realize the falacious nature of such an argument, don't you?


Why should 'the church' control the education of children? It's just another in for religious indoctrination.

I don't know. Ask someone who believes such a thing. All I'm saying is that the OP is using a fallacy to bash all religion.

commiecrusader
8th March 2007, 13:57
Do you mean to take this one example and use it to state that
"church controlled" education should not exist. You do realize the falacious nature of such an argument, don't you?
I'm not saying this is the only reason to avoid church controlled education, just an illustration as to why church controlled anything is a bullshit idea.


Talking of church-controlled edumacation, should leftists object to the Oxbridge unis? They do have a continuing tie with the church and may appear fascistic, but GA Cohen teaches at Oxford and I heard somewhere that Cambridge has the largest marxist group in any student union in Britain.
I think as leftists it is our duty to oppose all institutions of the bourgeoisie, which the oxbridge unis definitely are. I expect, although as I say I have little evidence for this, that the marxist group in cambridge consists very much of coffee-shop revolutionary bullshit. I would be surprised if people who chose to go to such a bourgeois institute are truly revolutionary.

also, to answer your question, kent uni is good for psychology, one of the leading research-driven unis in the country for psychology,and cheaper than oxbridge unis which you seem so fond of. Plus, UKC, which I go to, is not church affiliated, its Christchurch, which used to be a polytechnic, which is.