Local political spots

[Political_Chucky]

Well I have two things I wish to discuss in this thread. For one, I want to know if anyone knows any local spots around their area which are primarily a place to socialize for politics, such as a bar, coffee shop, or like a hookah bar? I'm asking this regardless whether you live close to me.

And two, what do you think about a place like this? I was contemplating on what I want to do after highschool since this is my senior year. Me and my friend(who is also a leftist) were talking about opening a bar such as the ones previously mentioned which could be a gathering place for local leftists or just for some kinda of political gathering.

I had first wanted to study Political Science, but realizing that I don't want to be a politician(in a capitalist world) I don't want to be a lawyer, or some kinda of analyst for a business, I didn't see how I could gain some kind of income to survive. And realizing that a music career is very risky(I then wanted to go to Musicians Institute (http://www.mi.edu/)), I am actually thinking that this might be a good idea. I live in Riverside, Ca which is the fourth biggest city in California so I think there is a lot of potential there for leftists to form and gather.

So, I just wanted to know your opinion on this. I obviously have no money as of right now but what factors would I have to look into? How could I go about doing this? I appreciate any feedback.

[ahab]

the closest thing to a political hangout around here is either good earth (a organic grocery store) or hollywood juice cafe (local punk bands play there on weekends) thats pretty much it.

That would be kickass if you started a joint in riverside like that! Like a CBGB's but instead of underground music it could be for just the underground hahaha, you have to buld credit, find an empty spot either for lease or sell, take a loan out from the bank and sign for the place and hope for the best!!! Im sure it would do great there though, especially if you advertised on here or other leftist sites, punk shows, local colleges, shit like that, just to get the word out and hope the pigs dont give you shit! seriously though that is a GREAT idea......also to think about, instead of just worrying how your going to make an income and live in this society, why not think more about how we are going to overthrow it!

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 09:58 pm
the closest thing to a political hangout around here is either good earth (a organic grocery store) or hollywood juice cafe (local punk bands play there on weekends) thats pretty much it.

That would be kickass if you started a joint in riverside like that! Like a CBGB's but instead of underground music it could be for just the underground hahaha, you have to buld credit, find an empty spot either for lease or sell, take a loan out from the bank and sign for the place and hope for the best!!! Im sure it would do great there though, especially if you advertised on here or other leftist sites, punk shows, local colleges, shit like that, just to get the word out and hope the pigs dont give you shit! seriously though that is a GREAT idea......also to think about, instead of just worrying how your going to make an income and live in this society, why not think more about how we are going to overthrow it!
Yea, I was wonderin if cops were gonna be tryin to harrass the place or something. But how would I build credit in like... 4 years. Is that possible cause I really know nothing about credit cards.


also to think about, instead of just worrying how your going to make an income and live in this society, why not think more about how we are going to overthrow it!

Nah well I mean, I need to fix the shop up if I do get it and still go to school(whether for political studies or for my music). If I was to open a shop up like that, and it was like successful to where I was making a good amount of money, shit i'd get healthcare benifets to my workers and make a union and shit haha.

[ahab]

Yea, I was wonderin if cops were gonna be tryin to harrass the place or something. But how would I build credit in like... 4 years. Is that possible cause I really know nothing about credit cards.

get a credit card (assuming your 18) and DONT USE IT! it will build up credit over time and if its still not enough you can co-sign with someone else who has good credit



Nah well I mean, I need to fix the shop up if I do get it and still go to school(whether for political studies or for my music). If I was to open a shop up like that, and it was like successful to where I was making a good amount of money, shit i'd get healthcare benifets to my workers and make a union and shit haha.

well thats good I guess and at least you'll be providing the oppurtunity for locals to build a sort of revleft but in person!

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 05:23 am
Me and my friend(who is also a leftist) were talking about opening a bar such as the ones previously mentioned which could be a gathering place for local leftists or just for some kinda of political gathering.

A legal space or a squatted social center?

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by Love Underground+March 01, 2007 05:02 am--> (Love Underground @ March 01, 2007 05:02 am)
[email protected] 01, 2007 05:23 am
Me and my friend(who is also a leftist) were talking about opening a bar such as the ones previously mentioned which could be a gathering place for local leftists or just for some kinda of political gathering.

A legal space or a squatted social center? [/b]
Both. I mean, this is what I was thinking(and this is just my vision without really thinking about how much its going to cost haha :wacko: ) Well I was first thinking about having it just a social kinda place with drinks(I'm still debating whether or not I would want alcohol and just keep coffee) and hookah(Since that is the only real legal and social way to smoke). That would be the main source of income to keep the place running, since drinks and hookah are relatively cheap. Then having like a stage for either musical purposes or even just for discussions. Kinda like coffee shops where they have those people standing up in front of everyone to recite poetry, except this is kinda the political version haha. I would also like it to be a place where people come to talk about issues on certain days and times. So kinda like a little community forum which is also a place to go relax and chill. So yea, that is my basic vision of it. I don't think I have seen anything like that around my area so I think it would really be a great opportunity for the community to come together more.

[Janus]

In my area, there's a local independent media center where leftists sometimes gather. As for bars or hookah lounges, they're good places to chill out and vent frustrations,etc. so I suppose they can be places where one can attempt to radicalize others.

[Ander]

Wow Chucky, this is a fucking awesome idea. You just inspired ME, thanks :)

[OneBrickOneVoice]

In my area there is a bookstore

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Love Underground+March 01, 2007 08:02 am--> (Love Underground @ March 01, 2007 08:02 am)
[email protected] 01, 2007 05:23 am
Me and my friend(who is also a leftist) were talking about opening a bar such as the ones previously mentioned which could be a gathering place for local leftists or just for some kinda of political gathering.

A legal space or a squatted social center? [/b]
Since he lives in America, he probably won't start a squat. Squats in America just aren't successful for the most part. Property and trespassing laws in the US are for more strict than those in Europe. Take a step onto someone else's property and the police are have every reason to arrest you for trespassing.

Since this "political spot" will need to be known to the general public, it would be best if it was legal.

[Political_Chucky]

Originally posted by FoB+March 02, 2007 07:29 pm--> (FoB @ March 02, 2007 07:29 pm)
Originally posted by Love [email protected] 01, 2007 08:02 am

[email protected] 01, 2007 05:23 am
Me and my friend(who is also a leftist) were talking about opening a bar such as the ones previously mentioned which could be a gathering place for local leftists or just for some kinda of political gathering.

A legal space or a squatted social center?
Since he lives in America, he probably won't start a squat. Squats in America just aren't successful for the most part. Property and trespassing laws in the US are for more strict than those in Europe. Take a step onto someone else's property and the police are have every reason to arrest you for trespassing.

Since this "political spot" will need to be known to the general public, it would be best if it was legal. [/b]
O my bad, I thought he meant something else when he said Squatted social center. :blush:

Jello Posted on Today at 04:52 pm

Wow Chucky, this is a fucking awesome idea. You just inspired ME, thanks smile.gif

Great, I think something like this would definitely benifet us leftists if there were many spots like this in different communities.

[Ander]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 10:13 pm
In my area there is a bookstore
I went there man! I met the lady who works there and we talked a bit but you weren't there...you never PMed me back with when you'd be there. :(

[Sir_No_Sir]

Thatd be great, I wish we had this kinda thing here...

[Chicano Shamrock]

Originally posted by FoB+March 02, 2007 07:29 pm--> (FoB @ March 02, 2007 07:29 pm)
Originally posted by Love [email protected] 01, 2007 08:02 am

[email protected] 01, 2007 05:23 am
Me and my friend(who is also a leftist) were talking about opening a bar such as the ones previously mentioned which could be a gathering place for local leftists or just for some kinda of political gathering.

A legal space or a squatted social center?
Since he lives in America, he probably won't start a squat. Squats in America just aren't successful for the most part. Property and trespassing laws in the US are for more strict than those in Europe. Take a step onto someone else's property and the police are have every reason to arrest you for trespassing.

Since this "political spot" will need to be known to the general public, it would be best if it was legal. [/b]
Not only that but if the person that owns the property happens to live close by they can legally shoot you if you are on their property. A lot of people have hand guns so it is risky if it isn't just a completely abandoned place.

But I am glad we still have guns legal.

[Political_Chucky]

Well I have been researching how much this would end up costing and everything and I came upon this article. According to this Breath (http://www.breath-ala.org/html/work_doeshook.htm) it states the following:



LEGAL QUESTIONS: Can hookah bars claim an exemption to the law and allow indoor smoking of tobacco through a water pipe for any of the following reasons:
1. They are owner-operated?
2. They are retail tobacco shops?
3. They have five or fewer employees?

SUMMARY ANSWERS:

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If a hookah bar has even one part-time employee, it must be smoke-free indoors all the time. Anyone who receives compensation in any form in exchange for work is an employee, whether or not they are related to the owner(s).

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If a hookah bar sells food and/or beverages (alcoholic or nonalcoholic), or offers live entertainment, it may no longer be selling tobacco as its main purpose, and therefore may not qualify for the retail tobacco shop exemption in the law.

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In order to claim the “small business” exemption, a hookah bar must not only have five or fewer employees, it must also legally be allowed to discriminate on the basis of age and prohibit minors from entering the establishment. If it sells or serves food or nonalcoholic beverages, the hookah bar cannot discriminate on the basis of age because of the Unruh Civil Rights Act, which prohibits arbitrary age discrimination. Therefore, hookah bars that serve food or nonalcoholic beverages cannot claim the small business exemption. (An establishment with any employees that is licensed by ABC to sell alcohol is a bar and cannot allow indoor smoking for that reason.)



So according to the first exemption, if I have even one person working with me, I am not allowed to have indoor smoking. But then again, in the third exemption, it says that in order to claim a small business exemption, a hookah bar must not have more then five employees. Can anyone explain what this exactly means? Also, the second exemption discusses the use of live entertainment. Is there anyway around that law so I could have both a hookah lounge and entertainment?

[Pandii]

let us all know what you have done with your ideas!!

Where I am, there is pretty much nothing, there is a pretty cultural coffee place, but its not political, just has gigs there and me and my comrade friends go there every now and then.

However, I know that there are places that people meet up in Brisbane each weekend. I HAVE to get down there some time soon. This town is drivingme nuts-o with all the religion and apathy!!

But yeah, Political_Chucky, let us all know what happens :D

[Political_Chucky]

Well right now i'm just trying to find out what i'm going to do and how i'm going to do it. I mean, if I do decide to do this, it won't happen for sometime, at least two years. I want to at least finish my two years of general ed and in the mean time build credit up. I have spoken to some business owners and specifically my dad so i'm probably going to try that.

The law however is kind of a problem. I guess I can only have 5 employers if I wish to have hookah, and they would all have to be owners. Theres no problem with that to me, its just finding 4 other people who I can deem trust-worthy and capable to handling the job full-time. Also, I would have to have a seperate facility, like a building next door for a hookah lounge and the other building for the entertainment because under that law I am not legally allowed to do it. So its either abolish the idea of the hookah lounge all together or have it like next door and have the other building for coffee, entertainment, and such. I was discussing this with a tagging friend of mine and I also had an idea if the building was by itself. I could allow people to paint murlas on the outside building for a small fee(just to pay for the paint supplies. Cans can be rather expensive). If I do make a place like this, I want it to be the most socialable place there can be. It would attract a variety of people and give us a chance to explain what communism could be like in the real world.

[Janus]

Is there anyway around that law so I could have both a hookah lounge and entertainment?
Here's a site that provides more info. for this stuff.

Hookah business (http://www.hookabusiness.com/contents.htm)

[sp468732]

The problem with having it as a hookah bar is then you are forced to keep out anyone under 18, which is a problem. Same thing with serving alcohol....

Of course, I only say this because I am 17. :D

[RNK]

I think having two seperate entrances may make it legal.. but I'm not sure.