MiniOswald
28th February 2007, 18:24
Basically I wanted to see what people here think about areas that are ripe for revolution I suppose.
Personally I can see revolution, at first, only starting in the 3rd world, as the people there, are the most exploited in the world. I think nowadays that we cant think exactly like Marx, as when he began his writings, the workers were, in a worse off position in the first world. I think that Capitalism adapted, made enough concessions to the workers of the first world to keep the people there down, so that the people wouldnt rise up and would still grant the leaders the power they wanted, and I think instead the rulers began to oppress those who could not hold them to account, in the resource rich 3rd world.
So basically, I think that, the best place for revolution to begin, would be in the 3rd world, preferably a resource rich nation that could use the power of those resources post-revolution, to aid the people. I think its only once the 3rd world has moved to the left and can no longer be manipulated by the first world that the majority of people in the 1st world will be knocked out of their comfort zones and will much more readily embrace leftist ideas.
It just seems to me that especially in the wake of the cold war and the failure of the soviet experiment and any 'socialist' nations that cropped up in the 20th century, and with the growth of a reasonably comfortable middle class in places like Europe and North America, people just arent willing to try anything with the left.
Anyway I just wondered what people think, anyone agree, or do you think that its possible to bring about revolution in any of the first world nations and if so, how to bring it about? Do you think our main problem nowadays is a lack of education about our cause? or what..
Also, and I suppose this mainly applies to the leninists of the board, I was thinking, that if a revolution is to have a vanguard, which, personally I think could be beneficial for organising and spreading the revolution, and also protecting the revolution, particularly in an armed struggle once theyve overthrown the old system, anyway, if there is to be a vanguard, how can it best be made accountable? What do people think would be the best way to halt an abuse of power? and the habit of presidents for life etc...
Or does anyone think that a position of power like that will inherently be abused? and so should not exist, obviously more input from the anarchists there.
Personally I can see revolution, at first, only starting in the 3rd world, as the people there, are the most exploited in the world. I think nowadays that we cant think exactly like Marx, as when he began his writings, the workers were, in a worse off position in the first world. I think that Capitalism adapted, made enough concessions to the workers of the first world to keep the people there down, so that the people wouldnt rise up and would still grant the leaders the power they wanted, and I think instead the rulers began to oppress those who could not hold them to account, in the resource rich 3rd world.
So basically, I think that, the best place for revolution to begin, would be in the 3rd world, preferably a resource rich nation that could use the power of those resources post-revolution, to aid the people. I think its only once the 3rd world has moved to the left and can no longer be manipulated by the first world that the majority of people in the 1st world will be knocked out of their comfort zones and will much more readily embrace leftist ideas.
It just seems to me that especially in the wake of the cold war and the failure of the soviet experiment and any 'socialist' nations that cropped up in the 20th century, and with the growth of a reasonably comfortable middle class in places like Europe and North America, people just arent willing to try anything with the left.
Anyway I just wondered what people think, anyone agree, or do you think that its possible to bring about revolution in any of the first world nations and if so, how to bring it about? Do you think our main problem nowadays is a lack of education about our cause? or what..
Also, and I suppose this mainly applies to the leninists of the board, I was thinking, that if a revolution is to have a vanguard, which, personally I think could be beneficial for organising and spreading the revolution, and also protecting the revolution, particularly in an armed struggle once theyve overthrown the old system, anyway, if there is to be a vanguard, how can it best be made accountable? What do people think would be the best way to halt an abuse of power? and the habit of presidents for life etc...
Or does anyone think that a position of power like that will inherently be abused? and so should not exist, obviously more input from the anarchists there.