Artists in a communist system

[deadpool 52]

How would they get paid?

[libereco]

they would probably do other work as well.

With todays technology if used correctly noone would have to work more than 5 hours/day tops. (a guess).

[thebigcom]

If people are paid by their intrinsic value to society, you would get paid what people think your art is worth. same as a capitilistic society

[Menshevik]

art is often supressed in a Communist society because artist don't directly benefit the efficacy of the society.

[flames of the flag]

i agree with libereco, they would probably work doing something else during the day and tehn do art stuff at night. but i dont think they would get paid because they dont actually need to do it. it would have to be just a pass time or something

[oki]

I totally do not agree.art is very nessesairy in sosiety.It should be looked upon same as any job.in commie thinking:artists should be unionized and be provided with supplies and all they make goes to that union and they divide it,so everyone has an equal income.allso the ones that don't sell at all.or more realistic,and somewhat anarchist:30-40-50%(whatever)goes to the union or artist org.and the rest you keep,the org takes care of studio's and provides paint and stuff if you need it. by the way I'm an artist.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from deadpool 52 on 10:01 am on June 2, 2002

How would they get paid?


they wouldn't. how capitalist is that? do u think a person should get paid for drawing pictures while other people are working in corn fields and factories. That art stuff is great as a hobby, but people shouldn't be earning money for it.

[Field Marshal]

I think that because of the equality in pay, a person can have a job and not worry about making money just on painting. Meaning, he can a job and paint as a hobby. He won't have to worry about money.

[oki]

someone working in a factory should be equally satisfied with his job then someone painting.if not he should go do something else.if your kind of sosialism is supposed to repress peoples free will in what they want to do with their life,then I think your sosialism sucks.and your making the same mistakes communism has made in the past.

[Supermodel]

I have to agree with OKI. I think tnis is a feminist issue. Women need more beauty and style in their lives for happiness, men need more competition and speed.

So I would say that if in a communist society the artists, makeup manufacturers, curtain makers and sculptors do not get paid, then neither should sports figures, viagra producers, lawn mower makers, cigar manufacturers, or blow-up doll makers. These could all be valid spare-time occupations.

[Reuben]

I remember visiting this amazing agrariann collective in Cuba financed by a number of means. They grew food, and also were financed by tourism from wildlife nad nature accademics. Furthermore their were artists in the communnity, and some of the money from the pictures they sold would be pumped into the community.

It was a truly great place. When the cuban government came into power n was being faarmed into a dust bowl, but with polanning it has become a flourishigng collective. Their are around 1000 people their, with two full time doctors (Many more than in england per 1000).

Woderful to see people working in co-operation, rathr than competing individually for resources.

[lenin]

art is a bougeois past-time and as such, has NO place in a prolaterian society!!!! who goes to art galleries???? the bourgeoisie!!!! i went to an art gallery once (natinal gallery in london) and it fucking sucked!!! just rich pricks trying to sound clever and sofisticated by thinking they had a clue about art when they don't know fuck all!!!! this site gets more bourgois by the minute!!! go to any factory in the world and see the responce you get when you ask them if they think 'artists' should be paid!!!! the whole idea of communism is that your job serves the state and the people, how the fuck does painting a picture serve the people??? if artists want to paint, it should be a hobby, full stop!!!! paid for drawing....fucking ridiculous!!!!

[Supermodel]

Brilliant, Lenin.

Before photography, we had artists. Do you add photographers to your list of worthless occupations? How is photography different from other forms of art?

Go ahead, delete your avatar, whoever took that picture of Lenin and anyone who looks at it is bourgeois scum. Come to think of it, you are a bourgeois philanderer for having pictoral content in your profile.

Che took pictures, wrote poetry, and sketched.


(Edited by Supermodel at 7:04 pm on June 6, 2002)

[honest intellectual]

There were loadsa proletarian artists and communist artists. You're relly just being stupid now, "lenin"

[peaccenicked]

The way I see it art becomes work. The worker taking control of his enviroment, becomes involved in community art. the practice of surviving becomes the art of living. Artists are enviromental workers and all workers should have a say and be encouraged into every aspect of the arts.

[man in the red suit]

yeah lenin, you are pretty stupid if you think that, this subject is an opinionated one not a factual one, I agree partly with you lenin, but not completely, I don't think art should be a paying job but it is NOT burgeoise. Artists, actors, professional athletes, are all overpayed occupations. I believe them to be hobbies not occupations. Entertaining people is benefits the community but is not REAL work in my opinion. I have been changing my mind periodically because these jobs do take talent but I don't think they are elidgible as paying jobs.

[oki]

go supermodel!!! :biggrin:

[oki]

Quote: from lenin on 4:35 pm on June 6, 2002
art is a bougeois past-time and as such, has NO place in a prolaterian society!!!! who goes to art galleries???? the bourgeoisie!!!! i went to an art gallery once (natinal gallery in london) and it fucking sucked!!! just rich pricks trying to sound clever and sofisticated by thinking they had a clue about art when they don't know fuck all!!!! this site gets more bourgois by the minute!!! go to any factory in the world and see the responce you get when you ask them if they think 'artists' should be paid!!!! the whole idea of communism is that your job serves the state and the people, how the fuck does painting a picture serve the people??? if artists want to paint, it should be a hobby, full stop!!!! paid for drawing....fucking ridiculous!!!!


oh so now I'm bougeois?!
only about 5 % of all artists anywhere are able to support themself with their work,most work their ass of like me.beeing an artist is living in poverty and if you get successful and rob the ritch in a gallery,your supposed to laugh your ass off.this is the kapitalistic system.when you imagin that's gone,ritch people in gallerys wouldnt exist and normal people would be able to buy and look at art.do you know how many people take pleasure in art?what the world would look like without art?
even the communists hired artists to do propaganda.in china russia and so on there were unions for artists.(yes,even under LENIN)ever seen the subway in moscow?lots of art.art is a part of culture and if you take away the culture the people die.

[deadpool 52]

Quote: from lenin on 9:35 pm on June 6, 2002
art is a bougeois past-time and as such, has NO place in a prolaterian society!!!! who goes to art galleries???? the bourgeoisie!!!! i went to an art gallery once (natinal gallery in london) and it fucking sucked!!! just rich pricks trying to sound clever and sofisticated by thinking they had a clue about art when they don't know fuck all!!!! this site gets more bourgois by the minute!!! go to any factory in the world and see the responce you get when you ask them if they think 'artists' should be paid!!!! the whole idea of communism is that your job serves the state and the people, how the fuck does painting a picture serve the people??? if artists want to paint, it should be a hobby, full stop!!!! paid for drawing....fucking ridiculous!!!!


Graffiti, man.

[thebigcom]

I'll be frank art will never die, people will pay to see it, and people will try and profit from it. it wont change, and is a flaw in society in my opinion.

[Supermodel]

On September 12th my six-year-old drew an amazing picture of a plane flying into the twin towers. Don't tell me there is no use for art.

[oki]

art is a flaw in sosiety?

you are really missing the point,dude.worry about greed and facists instead,or something else that does make sense.what kind of sosiety do you want?one where we all wear the same sweater and collectively get up at 7 to exersize?

[Supermodel]

LMAO OKI!!!!

If that's the new society, I'm a revolutionary!!!!

Me wear the same sweatshirt as anyone else???? AS IF!!!!!!

[oki]

what I mean is:would any of you live in a sosiety where you are not allowed to express yourself the way you want to?
to choose what you want to do with your life?I really don't see the point in a restrictive sosiety.if you want to form the people in a certain way,the way you think it's best,well,aren't you doing the exact same thing as this present sosiety,only according to YOUR values?then a large part of the people will not want that.then there is dualism,and I think this will never work.you'd have to repress opposing views.you'll end up doing the things you hate the most.

supermodel,well okay,the exersizing I can see myself doing,but the sweaters... :)what I mean is,I want freedom of choice,to choose your own future,ways,explore your specific talents,and develop them,and we need a sosiety that allows that,so humans as a whole can rize to the highest hights.I am convinced that if there's room for all the good we have in ourselves,sosiety will work out fine.