Is Chavez worried about another coup?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-06/venezu...da_of_evil.html (http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-06/venezuela_enchilada_of_evil.html)

So what can Chavez do with a mix of Russian fighter jets and AKs? It's pretty obvious. These are the weapons a nervous Commie needs to set up a parallel military, loyal to his regime, to discourage a coup from his own armed forces -- not to stop a US invasion.

[Louis Pio]

A coup is an option, however im not bying the argument of the guy you linked too. A coup would be far more effectively broken by the mass support he has, as the masses did before. Now I don't think a direct american invasion is a option at this point, the americans would loose to many men, they are stuck in the iraqi mess etc. The way they would go about it is to use they puppet regime in Colombia and for that the weapons are sufficient. Btw there are thousands of rightwing colombian paramilitaries in Venezuela, the weapons would also be effective in bringing that scum down.

[Guerrilla22]

So what can Chavez do with a mix of Russian fighter jets and AKs? It's pretty obvious. These are the weapons a nervous Commie needs to set up a parallel military, loyal to his regime, to discourage a coup from his own armed forces -- not to stop a US invasion.

:rolleyes: Yes, any leader who seeks to arm his country's military must have alterior purposes, especially if they're on the left. The reason Chavez is buying Russian made stuff is because the US stopped selling arms to Venezuela. They have to get arms for their military somehow.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 28, 2007 01:16 am
So what can Chavez do with a mix of Russian fighter jets and AKs? It's pretty obvious. These are the weapons a nervous Commie needs to set up a parallel military, loyal to his regime, to discourage a coup from his own armed forces -- not to stop a US invasion.
AK47 maybe, they are weapons useful in the hands of irregulars. But Russian fighter jets? Come on, those are only of use in the hands of trained pilots, which only would be found in the regular Venezolan Air Force. How would a "parallel military" even get those into the air? And what use would they have against a coup? They are weapons designed to fight other planes, not politicians or even military on the ground.

I think he is either confident in his military, or trying to bribe them with new "toys".

On the other hand, of course, we should always fear an escuálido coup. But I doubt if they were planning it for soon they would be boasting about Chávez being afraid of them.

Luís Henrique

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 01:34 am
A coup is an option, however im not bying the argument of the guy you linked too. A coup would be far more effectively broken by the mass support he has, as the masses did before. Now I don't think a direct american invasion is a option at this point, the americans would loose to many men, they are stuck in the iraqi mess etc. The way they would go about it is to use they puppet regime in Colombia and for that the weapons are sufficient. Btw there are thousands of rightwing colombian paramilitaries in Venezuela, the weapons would also be effective in bringing that scum down.
All those in favour of the extrajudicial execution of any Colombian in Venzuela affiliated with a far-right paramilitary organisation. *AYE!!!!*

[metalero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 08:34 pm
The way they would go about it is to use they puppet regime in Colombia and for that the weapons are sufficient. Btw there are thousands of rightwing colombian paramilitaries in Venezuela, the weapons would also be effective in bringing that scum down.
That would imply a lack of internal opposition to the paramilitary government in Colombia, which is immersed in a para-political scandal, let alone it would have to deal first with FARC's armed opposition. I doubt "thousands" of Para scum are in Venezuela, on the contrary, they are in Colombia safe under Uribe, but always crossing the borders trying to cause bilateral conflict, something the Venezuelan army is pretty aware of.

[Louis Pio]

That would imply a lack of internal opposition to the paramilitary government in Colombia, which is immersed in a para-political scandal, let alone it would have to deal first with FARC's armed opposition. I doubt "thousands" of Para scum are in Venezuela, on the contrary, they are in Colombia safe under Uribe, but always crossing the borders trying to cause bilateral conflict, something the Venezuelan army is pretty aware of.



There are thousands, it's quite common knowlegde in Venezuela. FARC ain't all powerfull and rightwing militias control some of the states bordering Venezuela. Up to the election there were a suspiciously large potion of Colombians in Caracas, if the support for Chavez had been lower they might have tried something together with the opposition. Also some of the states in Venezuela bordering Colombia have rightwing governors who let them paramilitias roam freely. A serious and dangerous question that should be dealt with, it's quite obvious that destabilation is are part of the agenda for this scum.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

The FARC controls half of Colombia my friend. So they're pretty powerful.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by A SCANNER [email protected] 01, 2007 04:59 pm
The FARC controls half of Colombia my friend.
Depends on what you call "half".

Half of the territory, yes, or almost so.

Most likely, one twentieth of the population, and even less of the economy.


So they're pretty powerful.

They are. Are they powerful enough to make it impossible for AUC murderers to wander into Venezolan territory? I doubt it very much.

Luís Henrique

[Louis Pio]

Yeah Luis explained it quite well, FARC is in no position to stop the rightwing militias from entering Venezuela. If FARC had that kind of power they would have been in control by now instead of continueing the fight for 30 years +.
Im sorry guys but im providing you knowlegde that's quite common in Venezuela and you still doubt it, look more into the situation. Rightwing colombian paramilitias is a big problem in Venezuela, in border provinces this scum kills farmers and so on.
As I said they are a problem that should be dealt with.

[Andy Bowden]

FARC couldn't stop infilitration of the AUC into Venezuela completely, but they'd certainly be able to bleed the Colombian army if they tried to invade Venezuela.

[Louis Pio]

Quite true, FARC could play are usefull role by that, for once! (sorry ain't a big FARC fan ;) )

[CNT-FAI]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 28, 2007 01:16 am
http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-06/venezu...da_of_evil.html (http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-06/venezuela_enchilada_of_evil.html)

So what can Chavez do with a mix of Russian fighter jets and AKs? It's pretty obvious. These are the weapons a nervous Commie needs to set up a parallel military, loyal to his regime, to discourage a coup from his own armed forces -- not to stop a US invasion.
Chavez, like the Sandinistas, tried to do a major arms buy from France but both were blocked by Washington. There is now no USSR to step in but the US warlords will do what they can to portray him as a menace. And of course he is one - the menace of a good example, which is why the Reaganites had to torture & crush even tiny Nicaragua.

[metalero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:52 am

That would imply a lack of internal opposition to the paramilitary government in Colombia, which is immersed in a para-political scandal, let alone it would have to deal first with FARC's armed opposition. I doubt "thousands" of Para scum are in Venezuela, on the contrary, they are in Colombia safe under Uribe, but always crossing the borders trying to cause bilateral conflict, something the Venezuelan army is pretty aware of.



There are thousands, it's quite common knowlegde in Venezuela. FARC ain't all powerfull and rightwing militias control some of the states bordering Venezuela. Up to the election there were a suspiciously large potion of Colombians in Caracas, if the support for Chavez had been lower they might have tried something together with the opposition. Also some of the states in Venezuela bordering Colombia have rightwing governors who let them paramilitias roam freely. A serious and dangerous question that should be dealt with, it's quite obvious that destabilation is are part of the agenda for this scum.
what you say is mostly true, but I don't think most of the Colombians living in Venezuela support rightwing militas, quite the opposite, most of them are working class fleeing the conflict or looking for jobs, and thanks to the inmigration reforms made by Chavez they enjoy full rights as citizens, let alone thousands of Colombians who have fled to Venezuela away from State terrorism. The ones supporting Paras are governing with impunity here in Colombia.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 28, 2007 03:23 pm
And what use would they have against a coup? They are weapons designed to fight other planes, not politicians or even military on the ground.
I agree with most of your point, and I think Brecher is often full of shit(though quite funny sometimes), but it should be noted that the planes discussed here are Sukhoi Su-30. These are not just fighters meant to intercept enemy aircraft, but two-seated multirole fighters that can just as well be used for ground attack purposes, something that is definitely useful in fighting against an insurgency of some sort, because attack helicopters are more easily damaged by ground fire as shown in Iraq.

Doesn't mean that Brecher is right about Chavez being "afraid"(it's not a matter of fear in the first place - if such a scenario is likely, you must simply prepare for it) of a coup, but the Su-30 would be suited just fine towards such a purpose. Certainly moreso than to fighting the US Air Force, which would be quite difficult for obvious reasons.

[Louis Pio]

Of course there is lot of colombians in Venezuela that fleed the reprecussion. How do you think we know that rightwing colombians are such are big problem? There are people among them of course and thats al I wan't to say because of security.

[Comrade Castro]

Yes, the SU-30's are for more of a bomber role, though they also make great fighters (a few years ago, India was conducting some military exercises with the Americans. India's SU-30's had a simulated kill ratio of 15 to 1 I think over the USAF F-15's and F-16's.) And the attack helicopters are probably meant for use against the Colombian army and against tanks surrounding government buildings during a coup, which has happened in every coup in Venezuela for the las 60 years.) Also the Kalashnikov's are AK-103's, Russia's finest (only in Speznatz use). A 100,000 already arrived, there is a possibility of buying a million :blink: more, for arming the "parallel military", the newly formed national reserve made of over 2 million civilian volunteers. 8 or 9 Russian submarines also in the works would take out Colombia's navy nicely, along with our new stealth ships (6-8 of these). Plus the new TOR-1 missile systems, which can take out planes, helis, cruise missiles, even individual bombs. The military high command has been completely replaced with revolutionary officers, and the lower ranks love Chavez, being mostly poor themselves. Basically, our armed forces are gearing up to easily crush any enemy of the people. Even a US invasion could possibly be routed with the new "asymetric warfare" doctrine (guerrilla attacks, etc.).

[Louis Pio]

Thanks for the post, let's look forward to the american state getting overrun