shit getting worse in brazil

[Comrade_Scott]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6402677.stm
guys this shit is getting crazy in brazil, gangs are killing everyone now indiscrimanatley (pardon spelling) no longer is it confined to gangs or even police force but also now the forigne charites and people we need to do something!!!!! INOCENT PEOPLE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what can be done?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!

(it's not that bad)
The issue is that gangs proliferate in slums where the police don't even have access. Also, the police doesn't really bother with minor crimes, so petty crimes are committed by everyone everyday. I evade taxes all the time, for instance. Nobody cares. The cops have bigger problems to deal with, they say. Like murderous gangs. This leads to people committing bigger crimes since they can get away with little crimes. Prisons are also overcrowded and criminals often have nowhere to be incarcerated.

[Guerrilla22]

Yeah, the cops literally sit at the edges of the shanty towns in order to keep the people living in the shanty towns from leaving the shanty towns. As for things getting worse. its not just indicative of Brazil, but all over certain parts of Latin America. See the thread I made about Guatemala.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 06:01 am
Yeah, the cops literally sit at the edges of the shanty towns in order to keep the people living in the shanty towns from leaving the shanty towns.
Not really. Shantytown residents travel freely into organized urban areas and vise versa. Unless you come into the shantytown looking like you're rich or a cop. Then you may have some problems.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

I've heard from a friend your more likely to get robbed or killed on any normal street than a favela because in the favela the crime bosses enfore their own laws in it. Like the crime boss won't let anyone in the favela rob or kill. It's relatively peaceful (except for the cops of course) inside the favela.

But then again there are takeovers of favelas from other gangs........looks fucked either way.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Normal streets are safer than you think. People who get robbed and complain are overwhelmingly people who walk around with super expensive cell phones, mp3 players, expensive clothes, expensive cars, etc. Then they get mugged and complain. I've known of many street robberies against pedestrians, drivers, and commuters. But only perhaps one against someone who wasn't asking for it. Burglaries are the same way.

It's obviously against the interests of the gangsters in the shantytown to have violence. It attracts police, media, and all sorts of "bad" things. But gang shootings do happen.

[Phalanx]

Aren't the favelas starting to come under paramilitary militia rule? I thought I heard a bunch of ex-cops would enter an area and try to take it from the drug gangs. I think Rocinha was one of the favelas heavily targeted by the militias.

[Ander]

Watch Cidade de Deus.

But yeah, Brasil is pretty fucked up, that's clear. Although I think we need to clean up the government before the favelas.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 12:30 am
Watch Cidade de Deus.
Great film.

Brazil is pretty messed up, the government do seem to be doing much about the problems

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by Modern Life is Rubbish+March 02, 2007 02:45 pm--> (Modern Life is Rubbish @ March 02, 2007 02:45 pm)
[email protected] 02, 2007 12:30 am
Watch Cidade de Deus.
Great film.

Brazil is pretty messed up, the government do seem to be doing much about the problems [/b]
The films was made by the Brasillian goverment if im correct.

I've been to the favela's of ilha de governador in Rio once, heard some gunshots once in a while and saw the cramped prisons and hordes of well armed guards patroling it, but its not like you get shot instantly when you set foot their or something. Atleast if you dont dress like a tourist :P

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Ilha do Governado in Rio isn't a favela. :lol:
Maybe you went into a favela near it. I don't know. I don't know Rio very well. But Ilha do Governador is a borough in Rio where the international airport is. As far as I know, all of it is zoned and developed within regulations. Making it not a favela.

City of God doesn't actually depict any favelas. Cidade de Deus is a government housing project. I recommend Pixote. It's a great movie about impoverished Brazilian kids in São Paulo (yeah, we're better than Rio =D). Pixote is perhaps better even than City of God.

City of God is still under gang rule. The movie City of God is actually about the formation of one of Rio's most powerful gangs still today, the Comando Vermelho. Red Command. I think they claim to be urban communist guerrillas.

[Ander]

Hey Rosenpenis, there's one Brazilian movie about a prison in Rio I think, do you know what it's called? It's a pretty big movie and if I remember correctly has to do with AIDS a bit? At the end there is a huge riot and the police come in and slaughter a bunch of prisoners.

I'm not an expert on favelas but I'm been to Sao Paulo several times (was there while switching airports on Tuesday actually) and seen the favelas on the roads and whatnot. Terrible.

[A SCANNER DARKLY]

The film is called Carandiru. An excellent film indeed.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yeah, Carandiru. Great movie. The prison was actually in São Paulo, not Rio.
The storming of the prison during a riot in 1992 killed 111 inmates, according to the police. Some say more. Coronel Ubiratan, the guy who led the massacre, was murdered last year.

[Phalanx]

Was he killed during the gang uprising?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

No
just one random day at his house 14 years after he committed the massacre