Cheney Assassination Attempt

[Phalanx]

Taleban attack during Cheney trip

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6399527.stm)

At least nine people have died in a suicide bombing at the main US base in Afghanistan during US Vice-President Dick Cheney's stay, US officials say.
Mr Cheney, who was unharmed, was staying at the Bagram base near Kabul.

The US military said the bomber was also killed. Some reports say 14 people died - more than 20 others were hurt.

The Taleban said they carried out the attack and that the attacker was trying to get to Mr Cheney, who was on an unannounced visit to the region.

A US spokesman described it as a "direct attack" on the base, which was put on red alert for a while.

Mr Cheney was said to be safely inside the compound at the time. He described hearing a "loud boom" and told reporters he had been briefly moved to a bomb shelter.

One US and one South Korean soldier were among the dead as well as a US government contractor who was a US national.

The others killed were Afghan civilians, many of whose distraught relatives gathered later outside the base.

Base operations commander Lt Col James Bonner said the bomber could not have got inside the base, 60km (40 miles) from Kabul.

"Our security measures were in place and the killer never had access to the base," he said in a statement.

"When he realised he would not be able to get onto the base he attacked the local population."

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Too bad the bomber wasn't closer.

[Comrade_Scott]

i read this on bbc its a shame that cheney got no harm.... hell i had hoped at least one of the us top men would have bought it :lol: but seriously this goes to show how hated they are is the world let alone arab world.

[R_P_A_S]

Taleban 0
Cheney 1

[redcannon]

i don't really mind if Cheney escaped that one, he's probably on the ground having a heart attack right now. :P

[Fawkes]

I heard this on the radio and I was so mad he didn't die. This is almost as good as when he shot his friend in the face....



Good times

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Damn! They missed the bastard.

[The Grey Blur]

11 dead civilians, that is sickening to me and nothing to laugh about.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

11 dead civilians, that is sickening to me and nothing to laugh about.


Cheney was unhurt in the attack. Among the dead are an American soldier, an American contractor, a South Korean soldier, and 20 Afghan workers at the base

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Bagram_Air_Base_bombing

Are these the civilians?

[The Grey Blur]

Yes, obviously the Afghan civilians. I could not give a rats ass for Cheney but I don't see blowing up working-class people as anything encourageable.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Working class people working for the imperialists, yes.

[The Grey Blur]

As cleaners, as janitors, as cooks?


"When he realised he would not be able to get onto the base he attacked the local population"
That is not anti-Imperialism.

[Guerrilla22]

Well that trip back fired on the Bush regime. Cheney was there on a publicity trip to try to make it seem as though things are going well in Afghanistan for the US and its Karzai led puppet regime. Whoops.

[RebelDog]

Any assassination attempt on Cheney should be welcomed but not if innocent civilians get killed like has happened here. Cheney himself has been responsible for the deaths of so many poor innocent people and its ironic and sad that more are now dead and he walks the earth a free man, without a scratch.
The best result would be for him to be tried for his life and hanged. Fucking right-wing murdering scumbag.

[dso79]

Originally posted by Permanent Revolution

"When he realised he would not be able to get onto the base he attacked the local population"


That is not anti-Imperialism.

Why are you quoting a US army officer?
It’s obvious that the bomber did attack the base, and not the local population. All the casualties worked at the base and no innocent civilians were hurt as far as I know.


I could not give a rats ass for Cheney but I don't see blowing up working-class people as anything encourageable.

Of course it’s very unfortunate when working class people are killed, but in order to effectively combat capitalism/imperialism, collaborators have to be targeted as well. In this case they weren’t even the target, though.


PS: According to a Centcom statement the only fatalities were the bomber, two coalition soldiers and a US contractor. No Afghan workers were killed, though some were injured.

[KC]

Assassinating Cheney is like the dumbest thing ever. It would be completely pointless and would just be used as another "9/11" to further the capitalists' interests. It would do absolutely nothing to further the working class movement at all, and would actually hinder it because of this.

Also, attacking a US base is hardly "anti-imperialism". Perhaps in desire but not in reality. Blowing a bomb up next to a base isn't going to accomplish anything either. The only way to combat imperialism is to combat capitalism, and a bomb isn't going to do that.

In short, the action was stupid, the reactions of people in this thread to it are stupid, and we shouldn't even be discussing this seriously.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 28, 2007 02:49 pm
As cleaners, as janitors, as cooks?


"When he realised he would not be able to get onto the base he attacked the local population"
That is not anti-Imperialism.
I don't think they were the target, stop moaning.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Zampanò@February 28, 2007 05:30 pm
Assassinating Cheney is like the dumbest thing ever. It would be completely pointless and would just be used as another "9/11" to further the capitalists' interests. It would do absolutely nothing to further the working class movement at all, and would actually hinder it because of this.

Also, attacking a US base is hardly "anti-imperialism". Perhaps in desire but not in reality. Blowing a bomb up next to a base isn't going to accomplish anything either. The only way to combat imperialism is to combat capitalism, and a bomb isn't going to do that.

In short, the action was stupid, the reactions of people in this thread to it are stupid, and we shouldn't even be discussing this seriously.
a load of rubbish. yeah, blowing up military bases isn't anti-imperialism. :lol:

if you were criticising the sectarian aspect of the resistance I'd agree, but cop on.

taking out cheney would be an act of war, not propaganda by the deed.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by PRC-UTE+February 28, 2007 12:33 pm--> (PRC-UTE @ February 28, 2007 12:33 pm)
Permanent [email protected] 28, 2007 02:49 pm
As cleaners, as janitors, as cooks?


"When he realised he would not be able to get onto the base he attacked the local population"
That is not anti-Imperialism.
I don't think they were the target, stop moaning. [/b]
So if they die, it is okay because they weren't the intended target? :rolleyes:

[Tekun]

This was more of a scare tactic on their part
To show that Afghanistan is still up for grabs, the resistance pulled this lil job off
If they really wanted to, they would of killed him by paying a guard off
But they know better, this was just a way for them to show the Americans that they're still very much alive in Afghanistan

[Phalanx]

Assassinating Cheney is like the dumbest thing ever.

If you don't believe in justice, yes.

It is extremely regretful though that 11 civilians died. To dismiss it as 'collateral damage' lowers one to the level of the capitalists. It doesn't matter if they weren't the target, they were killed and now eleven families have lost loved ones.

[KC]

a load of rubbish. yeah, blowing up military bases isn't anti-imperialism. laugh.gif

An action is completely useless if not implemented in the proper strategical context. The only time this type of action should be used is if it furthers the interests of the proletariat. This most obviously didn't do that; neither assassinating Cheney nor "bombing" a military base had a chance of doing this.


If you don't believe in justice, yes.

Communists believe in fighting class war, not dispensing "justice". If the assassination of the VP of the US is going to hinder our goals instead of further them, why would we do it? Just so that we can dispense "justice"? You're putting "justice" before the class struggle?

[carpetcommie]

although it brings me pleasure to see Cheney probably pissing his pants from fear now i doubt we should be supporting or laughing about this event it was committed by a fundamentalist organization the Taliban and innocent people died .

[Phalanx]

Communists believe in fighting class war, not dispensing "justice". If the assassination of the VP of the US is going to hinder our goals instead of further them, why would we do it? Just so that we can dispense "justice"? You're putting "justice" before the class struggle?

Class war is justice, bud. Although by no means should any of us support the Taliban, the death of Cheney isn't something to be upset about.

[Janus]

Too bad this didn't affect Cheney's heart condition but from what I hear, the Taliban are promising a lot more suicide bombings and attacks against the US and its allies.

[KC]

Class war is justice, bud. Although by no means should any of us support the Taliban, the death of Cheney isn't something to be upset about.

Class war is class war. It's not about "getting even" or "dispensing justice"; it's about the proletariat furthering its own interests. Secondly, I already covered why any assassination attempt on Cheney is incredibly stupid and unproductive (and even damaging).

[The Grey Blur]

Tatanka Iyotank, killing Cheney would achieve nothing. I wouldn't be shedding tears about his death but we must realise that killing the figureheads of the capitalist class won't defeat their system.

[Phalanx]

Class war is class war. It's not about "getting even" or "dispensing justice"; it's about the proletariat furthering its own interests.

Class war is justice. It's about the proletariat taking their fruits of labor away from those that are stealing it from them.

Cheney's death would be more of a moral victory, I'll acknowledge.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Cheney is simply a collector and messenger. He protect and serve, making sure the interests of his class comes first, making sure what needs to be done will be done, and what lies needs to be told, are said.

Cheney is not the ruler. More like an officer on a chess board. The "king" is the capitalist class itself.

So one might win a tiny battle by killing the officer, but the pawns must get the king. Without it check mate the game still continues, and we are still on RevLeft while selling our labor power to the boss.

[MrLeft]

You know what Cheney said to the Taliban? "You miss" :D

[Fawkes]

To be honest, I actually didn't know that anyone other than U.S. soldiers were harmed in the attack. It is obviously unfortunate that working class people were killed, but people here are not congratulating that, they are congratulating an attempt to assassinate the Vice President of the U.S. which unfortunately resulted in the deaths of working class people. Also, the innocence of those killed is definitely questionable considering that they were working on as U.S. military base.

Question to PR: do you find the Provisional's attacks on British military base workers in the Troubles acceptable as acts of war or no?

[LebaneseCommunistParty]

Don't worry guys i live in lebanon, we'll get him when he comes here! and this time it'll be in the name of anti imperialism, not islam! ;-)

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 01, 2007 09:39 pm
Tatanka Iyotank, killing Cheney would achieve nothing. I wouldn't be shedding tears about his death but we must realise that killing the figureheads of the capitalist class won't defeat their system.
Of course not but it'll strike a blow to them.

[détrop]

Damn! They missed the bastard.

[laughing]

You know, two weeks ago Dubya was like right around the corner from the city I'm in.

I found out too late, though, and I apologize for that.

(Note to FBI agents monitoring RevLeft: Fuck off. I didn't threaten anybody. I was going to buy Dubya a drink and praise him for the good work he is doing. I'm really a capitalist posing as a communist. Relax.)

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+March 03, 2007 10:25 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ March 03, 2007 10:25 pm)
Permanent [email protected] 01, 2007 09:39 pm
Tatanka Iyotank, killing Cheney would achieve nothing. I wouldn't be shedding tears about his death but we must realise that killing the figureheads of the capitalist class won't defeat their system.
Of course not but it'll strike a blow to them. [/b]
How? We would have "Dick Cheney Day" and the Imperialist period of Capitalism would continue in full flow.


To be honest, I actually didn't know that anyone other than U.S. soldiers were harmed in the attack.
Every single link describing it so far has said that along with three or four Imperialist soldiers a dozen or so Afghan civilians were killed.


It is obviously unfortunate that working class people were killed, but people here are not congratulating that,
"Unfortunate"? Fuck off.


Also, the innocence of those killed is definitely questionable considering that they were working on as U.S. military base.
Doing what? Cooking, cleaning, doing laundry? Yes, what a blow for Imperialism. :rolleyes:


Question to PR: do you find the Provisional's attacks on British military base workers in the Troubles acceptable as acts of war or no?
Bombing barracks I'm all for, not when you end up killing civilians instead of Imperialists. And Afghanistan and Ireland can't be compared, it's like apples and oranges.

[Fawkes]

Every single link describing it so far has said that along with three or four Imperialist soldiers a dozen or so Afghan civilians were killed.
I haven't read any links on it, I just heard it on the radio and they didn't mention anything about civilians.


"Unfortunate"? Fuck off.
Yes, of course it's unfortunate, what word would you prefer I use?


Doing what? Cooking, cleaning, doing laundry? Yes, what a blow for Imperialism.
I never said they were legitimate targets, I was saying that due to the fact that they were aiding the imperialists, their innocence is questionable.


Bombing barracks I'm all for, not when you end up killing civilians instead of Imperialists. And Afghanistan and Ireland can't be compared, it's like apples and oranges.
I'm not talking about barracks bombing, I'm talking about the specific targeting of workers that help with the construction of British military bases. I'm not comparing the situation in Ireland to the one in Afghanistan, I was just asking your opinion on the killing of workers that aid the occupying military in a different scenario.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 07:40 pm
Yes, of course it's unfortunate, what word would you prefer I use?
Unacceptable?



I never said they were legitimate targets, I was saying that due to the fact that they were aiding the imperialists, their innocence is questionable.

Gotta get paid... you can't go fill out an application for McD's in Afghanistan when you're short on cash, you take whatever you can get.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 03:39 am
I heard this on the radio and I was so mad he didn't die. This is almost as good as when he shot his friend in the face....



Good times
When that motherfucker finally bites the dust, I swear I will pop a cork. All of you are invited. Without him, Bush is nothing.