Jesus Tomb found?

[R_P_A_S]

BBC!


Jesus tomb found, says film-maker
Jesus had a son named Judah and was buried alongside Mary Magdalene, according to a new documentary by Hollywood film director James Cameron.
The film examines a tomb found near Jerusalem in 1980 which producers say belonged to Jesus and his family.

Speaking in New York, the Oscar-winning Titanic director said statistical tests and DNA analysis backed this view.

But Mr Cameron's claim has been attacked by archaeologists and theologians as unfounded.

Archaeologists said that the burial cave was probably that of a Jewish family with similar names to that of Jesus.

But Mr Cameron said the combination of names found on the tombs convinced him of their heritage.

Samples tested

Israeli construction workers building an apartment complex in Jerusalem's East Talpiot district first uncovered 10 of the 2,000-year-old ossuaries - or limestone coffins - in a tomb in March 1980.

According to the Israel Antiquities Authority, six of those coffins were marked with the names Mary; Matthew; Jesua son of Joseph; Mary; Jofa (Joseph, Jesus' brother); and Judah son of Jesua.


It doesn't get bigger than this
James Cameron
Hollywood film director
Another grave said by producers to be of Mary Magdalene convinced researchers of the truth of their find, Mr Cameron said at a New York news conference.

Unveiling his documentary The Lost Tomb of Jesus, Mr Cameron said the chances of finding that combination of names together was like finding a grave marked Ringo next to others marked John, Paul and George.

"Mariamene is Mary Magdalene - that's the Ringo, that's what sets this whole film in motion," he said.

Christian contradiction?

The documentary asserts that tests on samples from two of the coffins show Jesus and Mary Magdalene were likely to have been buried in them and were a couple.

The film-makers used this finding to claim that the coffin marked "Judah son of Jesua" contains the son of Jesus and Mary.

But they said the discovery of the tomb does not undermine the key Christian belief that Jesus was resurrected three days after his death.

Academic Stephen Pfann, a scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem, said he did not expect Christians to accept the film's findings.

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," said Mr Pfann, who was interviewed by the film-makers.

"But sceptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

Findings refuted

Israeli archaeologist Amos Kloner, who was among the first to examine the tomb when it was first discovered, said the names marked on the coffins were very common at the time.


"I don't accept the news that it was used by Jesus or his family," he told the BBC News website.
"The documentary filmmakers are using it to sell their film."

Mr Cameron showed two of the coffins at the news conference.

"It doesn't get bigger than this," he said in an earlier press release.

"We've done our homework; we've made the case; and now it's time for the debate to begin."

Local residents told the BBC News website they were pleased with the attention the tomb has drawn.

"It will mean our house prices will go up because Christians will want to live here," one woman said.

[ComradeR]

If they can do more tests and prove this beyond a doubt it will completely undermine the entire christian Faith. :D
No doubt the Christians will be all over this.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well they certainly are stuck.

On the one hand, they can deny its "their" Jesus, and suggest it was another one, which could be likely since Jesus was a common name.

On the other hand, it is powerful evidence, if this is the biblical Jesus, that he didn't fly off to heaven.

I imagine it will be strongly contested on both sides, for literally ever, until the end of Christianity.

[ComradeR]

Never underestimate the Christians ability to deny fact, just look at how they continue to contest evolution.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 06:20 am
Well they certainly are stuck.

On the one hand, they can deny its "their" Jesus, and suggest it was another one, which could be likely since Jesus was a common name.

On the other hand, it is powerful evidence, if this is the biblical Jesus, that he didn't fly off to heaven.

I imagine it will be strongly contested on both sides, for literally ever, until the end of Christianity.
Well that depends on if there were remains in the tomb. If the tomb was empty it doesn't matter, because if it isn't the biblical Jesus fine, then if it is the biblical Jesus "there's no body so he rose from the dead"...

If there are remains in the tomb the Christians are going to battle over whether this was "the real Jesus" for the next milennium...

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 01:08 pm
If there are remains in the tomb the Christians are going to battle over whether this was "the real Jesus" for the next milennium...
Good - if they are fighting between themselves, then the world's biggest religion will decline even faster.

[Sadena Meti]

The logical jumps that are taken to say this is the historical Y'shua's tomb are about as large as the jumps that believers take to say he walked on water.

First, how did a poor carpenter's family afford a tomb like this?
Second, why would they all be buried together in identicle sarcophica when they died decades appart and in different regions?
Third, these are fairly common names.
Fourth, I thought all the athiests have been saying Joseph never existed, but now he's also buried here? And I thought they've been saying Mary was a made up name for his mother?


I almost wonder if this whole thing isn't a hoax. From either side of the belief standpoint, it's a huge conincidence that this tomb turned up with all the perfect names.

Marketing ploy for the Davinci Code? ;)

[Goatse]

It's probably a hoax, but it makes no difference. Atheists are already convinced that Jesus being the son of God is crap, and Christians are already blatantly ignoring proven facts so they can believe in some imaginary god, so this is hardly going to sway them.

[Question everything]

Well it looks like God is rolling over in his Grave :lol:

[Knight of Cydonia]

who cares ?i don't give a damn about jesus....jesus is fake.and how come they'd sure that those tomb were jesus tomb...

[Zero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 10:17 am
Speaking in New York, the Oscar-winning Titanic director said statistical tests and DNA analysis backed this view.
Wtf?

"Yes Mr. Jesus, please, if you can, piss in this cup for when DNA tests are available."

[Pirate Utopian]

yeah how the hell do they know jesus' DNA to begin with?

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by TAKN+February 27, 2007 08:11 am--> (TAKN @ February 27, 2007 08:11 am)
[email protected] 27, 2007 01:08 pm
If there are remains in the tomb the Christians are going to battle over whether this was "the real Jesus" for the next milennium...
Good - if they are fighting between themselves, then the world's biggest religion will decline even faster. [/b]
I meant with us, not among themselves.

[freakazoid]

yeah how the hell do they know jesus' DNA to begin with?


I also was wondering that. Perhaps they mean if who they think is the child in the tomb is really there child?

[ichneumon]

now i have to get my "CLONE JESUS" t-shirt!!!

[yippie666]

Originally posted by rev-[email protected] 27, 2007 02:40 pm
First, how did a poor carpenter's family afford a tomb like this?
Second, why would they all be buried together in identicle sarcophica when they died decades appart and in different regions?
ummm you know Joseph was roalty...(relted to king salom or how ever you spell his name id look it up but this computer is to slow) and then Mary M was roal by somone else i forget who tho....and roalty are normaly buried in like a family cemtary or tomb...so they could of been brought (after they died of corse) to said tomb....



as for walking on water....ever see the harzion in the desrt? looks like water huh?

[Sand Castle]

Wouldn't Jesus' body have holes in the hands and feet because he was crucified? That would be a good way to tell if it is real.

[freakazoid]

The bodies of people who have been crucified have been found with the nails still in them.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 02:07 pm
Wouldn't Jesus' body have holes in the hands and feet because he was crucified? That would be a good way to tell if it is real.
err this a is a 2000-year-old corpse, I think the nails wouldn't still be sticking out of the bones...they probably rolled off onto the floor or something, assuming they don't even take the nails out after they take the guy down. It would probably be hard to even tell if there were nails because of bone deterioration.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 02:17 pm
The bodies of people who have been crucified have been found with the nails still in them.
Some crucified corpses have actually been found with the wood still attached to them, because they couldn't get the nails out.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by yippie666+February 28, 2007 01:28 pm--> (yippie666 @ February 28, 2007 01:28 pm)
rev-[email protected] 27, 2007 02:40 pm
First, how did a poor carpenter's family afford a tomb like this?
Second, why would they all be buried together in identicle sarcophica when they died decades appart and in different regions?
ummm you know Joseph was roalty...(relted to king salom or how ever you spell his name id look it up but this computer is to slow) and then Mary M was roal by somone else i forget who tho....and roalty are normaly buried in like a family cemtary or tomb...so they could of been brought (after they died of corse) to said tomb.... [/b]
No. Joseph was of the House of David, but so were tens of thousands of others. He was not royalty, he lived in a slumy section of Israel and sacrified two doves at the temple, the offering of a poor man. And the stories about Mary Magdalen are not biblical, they were made up in the 2nd century, for example about her being a prostitute. Nowhere in the gospels does it even hint at that.

[Question everything]

And the stories about Mary Magdalen are not biblical, they were made up in the 2nd century, for example about her being a prostitute. Nowhere in the gospels does it even hint at that.

:huh: I didn't know that...


yeah how the hell do they know jesus' DNA to begin with?

They will probably just do carbon dating on the Bones (I mean the body could be 20 years old)


If there are remains in the tomb the Christians are going to battle over whether this was "the real Jesus" for the next milennium...

Lol if you dare say the Body if that of Jesus you must say 100 Hail Mary's and then you will be burned at the stake

[Political_Chucky]

Shit is a hoax. This is really no good evidence. But I do like how they say this so people won't get mad, "But they said the discovery of the tomb does not undermine the key Christian belief that Jesus was resurrected three days after his death." hahaha

[freakazoid]

err this a is a 2000-year-old corpse, I think the nails wouldn't still be sticking out of the bones...they probably rolled off onto the floor or something, assuming they don't even take the nails out after they take the guy down. It would probably be hard to even tell if there were nails because of bone deterioration.

They didn't use small nails like you would use to hang a picture, these things were more like railroad spikes.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 09:17 pm


err this a is a 2000-year-old corpse, I think the nails wouldn't still be sticking out of the bones...they probably rolled off onto the floor or something, assuming they don't even take the nails out after they take the guy down. It would probably be hard to even tell if there were nails because of bone deterioration.

They didn't use small nails like you would use to hang a picture, these things were more like railroad spikes.
Yes, I know that, but they would still fall out. Bones deteriorate and break.

[freakazoid]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7291066/

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/jesus/heelbones.jpg

[Political_Chucky]

Well also, scientists are able to tell how an ancient corpse died. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...cemandeath.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1030_031030_icemandeath.html) is just one example, even though they do have a number of theories. But in this case, I think if they use some forensics, they can see whether or not the feet and hands have been damaged, regardless of whether the nails fell out.

[razboz]

Maybe God put that body in there to test our faith :blink:



:D Does it matter? If it isnt Jesus the Christians will use that as proof that they are right! If it is him they'll use that as proof they^re right anyways!

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well im sure we will clone the guy in a few years.

The "messiah" will have returned. lol

[ComradeR]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 09:17 am
Well im sure we will clone the guy in a few years.

The "messiah" will have returned. lol
Hell they could clone a whole army of em and unleash them on the heretics :lol:

[freakazoid]

QUOTE (bloody_capitalist_sham @ March 01, 2007 09:17 am)
Well im sure we will clone the guy in a few years.

The "messiah" will have returned. lol

Hell they could clone a whole army of em and unleash them on the heretics laugh.gif

XD lol

[ichneumon]

i bet the guys on CSI could figure out if it's the real jesus. hey, neat idea....

[razboz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:34 pm
i bet the guys on CSI could figure out if it's the real jesus. hey, neat idea....
CSI- Jerusalem

Did the Romans really do it? Only looking at this tomb with this blue light and testing for sperm can tell!

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by razboz+March 01, 2007 03:38 pm--> (razboz @ March 01, 2007 03:38 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2007 08:34 pm
i bet the guys on CSI could figure out if it's the real jesus. hey, neat idea....
CSI- Jerusalem

Did the Romans really do it? Only looking at this tomb with this blue light and testing for sperm can tell! [/b]
Ugh, that sentence gives a whole new meaning to "second coming."

*edit* I'm going to hell for that, aren't I.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by RevMARKSman+February 28, 2007 08:53 pm--> (RevMARKSman @ February 28, 2007 08:53 pm)
[email protected] 28, 2007 02:07 pm
Wouldn't Jesus' body have holes in the hands and feet because he was crucified? That would be a good way to tell if it is real.
err this a is a 2000-year-old corpse, I think the nails wouldn't still be sticking out of the bones...they probably rolled off onto the floor or something, assuming they don't even take the nails out after they take the guy down. It would probably be hard to even tell if there were nails because of bone deterioration. [/b]
damn..nail's have been around for a while huh?

[RASHskins]

fuck jesus!

[Zero]

Now is that a 'fuck, jesus!', 'fuck! Jesus!' or 8==> 'fuck jesus!'

[Eleutherios]

So they found the body of Jesus? Now the Catholics can have the real thing instead of eating those silly crackers and pretending!

[wtfm8lol]

So they found the body of Jesus? Now the Catholics can have the real thing instead of eating those silly crackers and pretending!

oh man..thats too much :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[RASHskins]

These two
8==> 'fuck jesus! and "fuck, jesus!"

[gilhyle]

True or false the Newspaper headline made me smile:

"Titanic Director Finds Tomb of Jesus"

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 05:39 am
If they can do more tests and prove this beyond a doubt it will completely undermine the entire christian Faith. :D
No doubt the Christians will be all over this.
how are they going to do tests on this? is there any DNA evidence, anywhere?

[LittleMao]

Damn.
When ever some one finds a body near Jerusalem the say, "Look! Jesus!"
There are several problems with that...
Jesus was raised in Nazarath, where His mother, and Joseph lived. He would have been buried there, if anywhere. Also if they stole the body, why rebury near the first grave site?
The Lie.
The followers of Jesus could have stolen the body, and hid it, right?
But what about the persicution in the latter years.
Out of the 12, all but one died myrters.
Would they die such deaths for a lie?
Why wouldn't they renounce the lie?