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lenin
29th May 2002, 18:26
economics: the major means of production will be owned by the centralised government. heavy industry, oil, coal, communications and transport will all be owned by the state. the only fields that would be allowed private enteprise would be entertainment and the consumer industry. this would allow for new ideas in these two industries. however, all land would still be owned by the state and would be rented out to private investors. there would also be strict government controls for these industries involving a minimum wage so no worker will be exploited.
health and education: these will both be absolutly free. there will be NO private health care industry and there will be NO private schools. health and education will be subsidised by taxes and state profits from rich industries like oil. the education will involve normal education principles plus strict marxist-leninist-stalinist teachings.
politics: the communist party will be the only party and it will be open to anyone. anyone who wants to make descisons in running the country, will have to join the party. all aplicants will be screened to make sure they are not infultrators. the party will be a dictatorship of the prolatriat. the party will be a party for the prolateriat, run by the prolatariat. again, anyone is free to apply for party membership but not everyone will get in. a special party police service will investigate all applicants and will stamp out courruption.
party structure: each local district will elect a local communist party official as there representative in there local supreme soviet. using england as an example. each city or large town will have a supreme soviet. so there will be supreme soviets in birmingham, london, manchester etc. the supreme soviet will be responsible for local matter socially and economically. each workplace will have its own communist organisation and will elect a representative to discuss the local economic output with there supreme representative. this will be the same for fields like education. students will elect a representative to discuss education with there local supreme soviet representative. all in all, there will be about 500-1000 members of the supreme soviets of the country. these officials will then vote on the members of the central comitee of the communist party. the ss (supreme soviet) officials will discuss the elections with there local representative to keep the process democratic. when it all said and done, there will be a central comitte of about 50-100 members who put forward various government policies. also, the cc will elect about 6-12 members to the politburo of the central comitee of the communist party. the cc will also elect the genral secratary of the politburo. he will be effectivly the dictator of the prolateriat but the centrally democratic process in which he got there will mean all of is descisions will be the descisons of the majority, the prolateriat. when he announces a new government policy, it will first go to the poliburo, then the cc, then the ss, then the local workers council and finally to the population of the country. and ultimatly, if they don't like it, it doesn't happen. these will only happen on social issues however. on economic and foreign policiy issues, the power must be in the hands of those who have the most knowledge about the issues at hand. if the genral secratary's desicion is overruled by the majority, cc representatives have the power to call for a referendum on the issue at hand (again, apart from foreign policy and the economy).
the military: the military will go on the leninst principle that, in the event of war, the person os the most imprtant weapon. military service will be compulsery for all males over the age of 18. the military will have 4 seperate institutions- the peoples army, the peoples navy, the peoples air-force and the strategic rocket force. the military will recieve about 15% of the gross domestic product as it is one of the most important industries in a communist nation. the economy will be suited to heavy industry and will suit a military more of power than technology. the military WILL be used to promote communism across the globe.
the secret service: the secret service will also be one of the main beneficarie of the socialist economy. the secret service will contain 6 departments- ideology, corruption, counter espionage, espionage, foreign intelligence, communications. the idological department will screen all aplicants of the communist party to make sure they are ideologically pure. the corruption departmant will investigate all aspects of the commuinist party and the economy so to stamp out black market activities. counter espionage will focus on routing out spies. espionage will place spies. foreign intelligence will work closely with espionage and will mainly be responcible for protecting communist interests abroad. communications will mainly be a scientific department trying to make new ways of tapping phones etc.
social issues: all social issues will be in the hands of the people. the party will make recomendations but the cc can overrule and call for a referendum. the party will make the following recomendations: the immediate ban of abortion unless the mothers life is threatned, the immediate ban of homosexuality, the immediate ban of all bourgeois sports such as golf and yaughting, the end to immigration and the promotion of econocmic relif for third world countries instead, the introduction of the death penalty, an immediate ban on organised religion, an immediate ban on all non-communist parties and a ban on all communist parties that promote fascism and zionism (this will not be up for referendum).
treatment of workers: wages will be divided by the marxist principle of each according to his ability, each according to his needs. the communist party will be responsible for sorting out the wage structure of each individual field. eg there will be a minimum wage for each individual field and the further you advance, the more benefits you get. but becasue out goal is to create a classless sociaty, rewards will be material possesions rather than money. and as soon as the recipient dies, the possesions become property of the state.

well there you have it. my communist government would look something like that. apologies for the length of the post but i would like your input to the structure of my government. i will be back to finish it off later.

Michael De Panama
29th May 2002, 18:57
I wish I was in the mood to type an epic.

This is exactly why I'm not a Leninist.

Michael De Panama
29th May 2002, 20:17
Wait. You're Yuri's nephew? No wonder I don't like you.

Xvall
29th May 2002, 22:05
We don't need a freaggin secret service!

Nateddi
29th May 2002, 22:31
Quote: from Michael De Panama on 6:57 pm on May 29, 2002
I wish I was in the mood to type an epic.

This is exactly why I'm not a Leninist.


What is so unappealing about Leninism? Do you even know what it is? Totalitarianism isn't Leninism.

lenin
29th May 2002, 23:56
there are too many dreamers on this site! we don't need a secret service? thats stupid! how will you rout out capitalists? how can you kill them? we need a secret service just as importantly as we need a communist party! the revolution doesn't finish when you strom parliment you know.

RedRevolutionary87
30th May 2002, 03:06
leninism is ok, but he just didnt execute it properly, it would have worked if it wasnt in russia...if it were done in a more industrialised country it would have worked like a charm.

James
30th May 2002, 19:14
how will you rout out capitalists? how can you kill them? we need a secret service just as importantly as we need a communist party!

And that is why i don't like you.

Nateddi
30th May 2002, 20:43
Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 3:06 am on May 30, 2002
leninism is ok, but he just didnt execute it properly, it would have worked if it wasnt in russia...if it were done in a more industrialised country it would have worked like a charm.


The fact that russia was lagging behind unfortunately wasn't the only problem. Unless russia was somewhere at the very top of the capitalist countries, there would still be other factors to stop communism. Such as bourgeois influence from a greator capitalist power. Undermining, sanctions, counterinsurgery, etc.

honest intellectual
1st June 2002, 17:16
There is no freedom in your society. No freedom for homosexuals, no freedom for anyone with different political views, no freedom for religions. Killing someone just because they believe in capitalism is insane! Even the US never did anything like that.
Besides, what is wrong with homosexuals? Unlike your "dissidents", they pose no threat to your cosy ruling cadre.

the immediate ban of all bourgeois sports such as golf and yaughting WHAT??????????? This esentially Maoist belief that the bourgeoisie are evil per se is utterly ludicrous and discriminatory.


anyone who wants to make descisons in running the country, will have to join the party. all aplicants will be screened to make sure they are not infultrators
This concept is greviously flawed. It means that only people who have the same views as the party can have a say in running the country. this will lead to a party stacked with vile careerists, like under Stalin. not only that, but it means that no opposition will be tolerated. And yet you call it democratic? Democratic, but only for people who agree with the ruling cadre!

Socialism without freedom and without accountable, removable, transparent democracy will lead to the emergence of a ruling clique of the atheist, heterosexual, ideologically pure*, "proletarian" Stalinists. In other words, a ruling elite. It will lead to a society of haves and have-nots. There can never be classless society without freedom.

*Just look at that phrase and tell me what 20th century ideology it calls to mind

(Edited by honest intellectual at 5:23 pm on June 1, 2002)

honest intellectual
1st June 2002, 17:29
One more thing. If you ruthlessly eliminate the bourgeoisie and seize their power for a minority, you will not create a classless society. You will do what was done in nearly every revolution in history: making the bourgeoisie proletarian and the proletariat borgeois and thuuse perpetuating class society

evil chris
10th June 2002, 03:50
and i quite like golf aswell.

Ymir
20th June 2002, 19:16
Not all males above the age of 18 can join the military. many will have current duties in a factory or farm occupation making weapons and food. Will there be enough female and young male population to efficiently handle a war-time economy?

Also I strongly believe immigration should not be banned. Soviet people could be immigrated into a capitalistic society and begin conquering through democratic and non-violent means. The immigrated people can enforce their beliefs then eventually set the country into being a province of the communist peoples nations.

hXcPetey
22nd June 2002, 00:05
when a gov't doesnt tolerate all the peoples views, then it aint a govt of all the people that is why i am NOT a Communist with that capital C.

I dont know what my beliefs are called but I'll state them here:

-Revolution to a temporary state of democratic socialism
~~~~~~~
>put workers in control of thier work place
>redistribute the wealth
>animal liberation
>get rid of unnecisary laws i.e. smot poking
>abolish allforms of age-ism
>encourage cultural industries i.e.art, writing, punk rocking(hehehe)
>stregnthen animal cruelty laws

-spread revolution globaly

-evolution toward abolishing the need for a gov't


-gov't falls like cast from tree that has its striegnth
>people carry out justice by taking issues into thier own hands
>people will keep the equality and peace themselves
>the apple of eden will be restored to the tree

samaniego
22nd June 2002, 00:23
LENIN I commend you on your views. It takes true vision to design a govt. Good job man, keep it up!

hXcPetey
22nd June 2002, 22:00
phuck, authoritarian socialism is still bullshit; how can you suport it. so where do you draw the line on whos a capitalist? Kronstadt could happen all over again under this "yunovskyism" idea.

peaccenicked
23rd June 2002, 04:11
There is no such thing as authoritarian socialism. That is a bourgeios liberal invention. Kronstadt was a tragedy but as far as I can see there was mistakes about authority made on both sides. 'Lenin' here is just a sick authoritarian who does not know what he is talking about.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 4:12 am on June 23, 2002)

hXcPetey
24th June 2002, 21:09
yeah youre right its called communism.

Mazdak
26th June 2002, 04:16
Lenin, i back you 101%, it is a shame you aren't posting anymore

Michael De Panama
26th June 2002, 21:25
Quote: from hXcPetey on 12:05 am on June 22, 2002
when a gov't doesnt tolerate all the peoples views, then it aint a govt of all the people that is why i am NOT a Communist with that capital C.

I dont know what my beliefs are called but I'll state them here:

-Revolution to a temporary state of democratic socialism
~~~~~~~
>put workers in control of thier work place
>redistribute the wealth
>animal liberation
>get rid of unnecisary laws i.e. smot poking
>abolish allforms of age-ism
>encourage cultural industries i.e.art, writing, punk rocking(hehehe)
>stregnthen animal cruelty laws

-spread revolution globaly

-evolution toward abolishing the need for a gov't


-gov't falls like cast from tree that has its striegnth
>people carry out justice by taking issues into thier own hands
>people will keep the equality and peace themselves
>the apple of eden will be restored to the tree

I agree with your beliefs completely. The animal liberation, the whole deal. I consider myself a democratic Marxist, simply to seperate myself from the proletarian fascists.

True Communist with a capital "C" governments should tolerate everyone in the population's views, because true Communism does not place the government in a class above the rest of the people.

Mazdak, you seem way too compassionate to be a Stalinist. I don't get you.

Mazdak
27th June 2002, 03:45
I am only compassionate when it comes to animals, but people are a rather ignorant lot and i have a great disliking for most people

Michael De Panama
28th June 2002, 18:05
People are animals too, you know. You're a person. Shouldn't your rights be protected? And if your rights should be protected, why should the rights of others mean nothing? Why should one power rule over an entire population? Why should one man be made more important than another man?

Mazdak
30th June 2002, 02:10
Ipeople are animals, but using most of your logic, people are far greater, using intelligence over instinct. I do not agree with this. Animals are intelligent, but they have more common sense than most people. Although they fight over territory, only ants adn termites actually wage war over controlling land. animals are more "innocent", more tolerant(for lack of a better word). And people strive to be classed above aanimals when they do the same things as animals, only oin a grand scale. We attack each other for land, fight over resources and food, and are greedy.
If people were so great, they would share and be kind but they arent, so if they do things that are wrong, they shouldn't be let free without being given "something to think about"

Michael De Panama
30th June 2002, 18:55
Well then how could you support Stalin? He waged war for land. He was nationalistic. He was classed above the rest of the population. He was intolerant. He killed millions of innocent people simply on the basis of his own paranoia. Look at the purges. Somebody like Stalin would seem to personify the reasons you dislike most people.

Mazdak
1st July 2002, 03:45
Stalin got things done. He also was authoritarian and i believe that people are stupid and need someone who can get things done with or without backing.

And stalin never killed anyone. He ORDERED executions, never took part in them. Gotcha there!!!

And a communist nation invading a non commmunist nation is a good thing. During the Civil war, the Fins committed many atrocities against the soviets