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black magick hustla
25th February 2007, 02:20
i have been annoyed by how many comrades find everything to be a "carefully crafted conspiracy" made by the bourgeosie in order to surpress the proletariat.

National borders are not there to divide the working class--they where the natural evolution of certain dynamics. nationalist leaders didnt pretend to "fuck" the working class by making national borders--they genuinely believed in such borders.

not every little reform passed by the state is done in the name of the bourgeosie. the state is bourgeois because it has a tendency of serving the bourgeocie, but not every aspect of it is carefully crafted the serve the bourgeosie. some reforms are passed by politicians who genuinely believe in such reforms.

the bourgeosie is not a completely unitary force that carefully coordinates and crafts everything.

why i am making this rant?

i think such analysis is completely unmaterialistic, and it at the end is detrimental to communists because we are unable to read the mind of the bourgeosie for the simple fact that we much of the time misunderstand it. sometimes we expect to much out of them, when in reality there isnt that much too it.

Severian
25th February 2007, 04:46
Well, yeah. Also: the capitalists, and their political representatives, usually believe their own self-justifications.

But does it always matter? Whether or not politicians are consciously seeking to make the rich richer - that's the effect of their actions. Including their "reforms", unless there's a lot of pressure from below.

So the state, and the economy, operate as machines with the function of serving the rich and keeping down the exploited classes. It may not be a conscious "purpose" exactly, but that can be pretty handy shorthand.

Politicians, media pundits, etc., who serve capitalist interests tend to rise to the top. Does it matter what individual reasons they may have for doing so? It's one of those "if a tree falls in a forest" questions anyway, since we can't read minds.

BTW, Conspiracism (http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/conspiracism.html) often refers to a different worldview, whcih definitely does not emphasis how policies serve the interests of the capitalist class. Instead, conspiracists claim some smaller, hidden cabal runs everything - Freemasons, Jews, whatever. That the cabal subverts a system that otherwise would basically run OK and benefit everyone.

coda
25th February 2007, 05:09
yeah, that the ruling class is protecting it's own interests, it's inevitable that they fuck the proletariat. No conspiracy there. It's the natural diametric. Kinda like the Capitalist health care industry -- it's there..but don't really get sick. cause it's only there for the non-sick people.

manic expression
25th February 2007, 05:22
Liberals do that far more than leftists. Why? We analyze the true causes for the way society works and we see the system as the most important reason for things, not a bunch of Republicans planning out 9/11 in a dark smokey room.

LSD
25th February 2007, 06:03
There's already a thread on this (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=62550).