Log in

View Full Version : Christian socialism



sypher
27th May 2002, 22:14
Socialism: The theory of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society rather than by private individuals, with all members of society sharing in the work and the products.

Matthew 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and five to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke 12:33
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither doth moth corrupt.

Matthew 10:42
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Matthew 16:26
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Luke 6:30
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not to return them.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Acts 20:35
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Ephesians 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

James 2:15,16
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled: notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Acts 4:32-
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the spostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

1Jo 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.

Col 3:14 And above all these things [put on] charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Mt 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.

Mt 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Mt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mr 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Lu 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Ro 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Ro 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Mt 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mt 19:25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Mt 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

Mt 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mt 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Lu 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask [them] not again.

Lu 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Lu 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

Lu 6:34 And if ye lend [to them] of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

Lu 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.

Lu 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Lu 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Lu 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Lu 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.

Ac 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

As you can see, Jesus did not think very highly of rich men who had no mercy on the poor.

Jesus' major command for believers was to "Love one another."
If you love people, you then want to share all that you have, you want everyone to have at least as much as you do.
You are willing to work to support those who are weak, those who cannot work.
Selfishness is not a part of love.






The sharing of all things is what we today refer to as socialism. We want to be social. To lock yourself up in your house with all your posessions and tell everyone that they can't have any of what you have is anti-social. It is selfishness.
Selfishness is "Evil.htm" It is totally opposed to everything Jesus taught.

Acts 2:44-47
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

From the above scripture, it appears that the Marxist principle, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need", originated in the Bible. It seems strange that political conservatives hate this principle so much, and ridicule it, even those who claim to be Christian.


I found the above on a website on the theory. however, I can't remember the name of it if you find out he site please post it



whether or not you are christian or believe in religon for that matter, it is interesting to know that so many people live there lives as a capitalist AND a christian not even knowing what the man they are following is really saying to them.

Reuben
27th May 2002, 23:11
In my humble opinion jesus was not a socialist, he was a wanker.

He betrayed the poor by convinving them to accept peacefully their postition in scoiety on the basis that "the meek will inherit the earth'. while we socialist s urge that the proletariat take collective action to better their position, jesus asked them to RELY on super natural garbage for their emancipation.

Anonymous
27th May 2002, 23:21
yeh jesus was probably a stoner..
but i cant back that up....

(Edited by kill The Capitalists at 11:23 pm on May 27, 2002)

hobo
27th May 2002, 23:29
ok for his time Jesus if he was real was about as far left as you could get, but look at the Church now, a form of social control with out of date right wing veiws. What about all the bad stuff Jesus did that never gets mentioned, the killing of another child and then blinding the villiage that spoke out against him. Religion is a lie to distract you from the fact that you are not equal and do not have to accept that

Borincano
28th May 2002, 05:16
Still, Christianity can be used for Communist and Socialistic benefits. In Nicaragua, under the Sandinista gov't, Liberation Theory came about, and it used the Latin American Catholic culture and ethic as proof that we are naturally socialist. (Which is true even if Christianity is totally a hoax.)

RedSovietCCCP
28th May 2002, 05:47
Like sombody said above, Jesus was as left as you get and I heard the samething about marx using stuff out of the bible. People in the church today take his teaching and turn it around. There is alot of socialist and communist that beleive in christianity more than you know I am one of them. Part of the reason I beleive in socialism is because what Jesus Christ teaches and hobo I don't know what the fuck you are taking about, I am a expert on christainity, he never killed a child and then blinded a village. It's a proven fact this is the first structure of socialism.

Anonymous
28th May 2002, 10:22
When Jesus was around he was pretty radical man. definately not like the people who worship him today...

red senator
28th May 2002, 13:34
yeah, i am sure Jerry Falwell would love it if you told him that Jesus was a liberal jew. ( you know, the kind the southern baptists think are ruining america)

Anonymous
28th May 2002, 13:44
quite.

hobo
28th May 2002, 18:15
Well thats what they are teaching my brother at school, apparently he did and it was removed from the bible in the 1500s, i'll ask my brother in more depth next time i speak to him. But i mean his school is pretty left-wing they get assembles on how nike are evil, my school hosts the local conservatives cheese and wine evenings. My friends dad in a Labour polition and they invited him, WTF?

Anonymous
28th May 2002, 18:25
yeh clement danes is shite.

RGacky3
29th May 2002, 00:26
Jesus was a socialist, infact his early folowers had collective property, they were socialist. now the cristian clergy is just a bunch of greedy, tryanicly, rapist basterds.

thebigcom
2nd June 2002, 05:42
everything in those examples tells people to be generous and giving with their wealth, not socialism

Menshevik
2nd June 2002, 21:54
Jesus was an anarchist. Jesus' understanding of "The Kingdom of God" is: the rule or reign of God's love over the very hearts of the people, and as a consequence of that, a new social order based on love for all peoples." He was opposed to stately rule and worldly possessions. What more can you say?

Jesus did not kill anyone. He'd be breaking one of the ten commandants, a definate no-no.

RGacky3
2nd June 2002, 23:38
Jesus was sort of an anarchist, he believed HUMAN governments should be abolished, but taken over by god. He was a socialist, his followers shared property, he was against exploitation, he believed in equality.

I Will Deny You
6th June 2002, 20:56
Very few quotes have been attributed to Jesus, and I'm a bet skeptical about how reliable they are. Chances are that lots of people who wrote the New Testament wrote it for their own benefit, and even if they didn't we can't really trust them. So it can be argued that Jesus was a capitalist, communist or anarchist.

suffianr
6th June 2002, 23:52
Jesus was a commie! Beautiful! But was he really a white man?

kingbee
7th June 2002, 15:48
he was a dick. anyone who says he is the son of god,the light of the world and the beginning and the end is a tit. would anyone believe if someone said that today?

sypher
18th June 2002, 23:59
suffianr, NO he was from current day Isreal. the blond hair blue eyed Jesus is a sick joke of someone. It's funny that a lot of racist claim to be some kind of christian when there own Jesus was brown skined.

lol...Strange and Ironic

RedCeltic
19th June 2002, 01:11
Christian Socialists do great work... I honor them for that.


However, in theory, I think they are cracked.

Vide
19th June 2002, 05:36
Socialism did not exist in circa 30 a.d. Therefore, it was impossible for Jesus to be a Socialist or proponent of any other ideology. Why do you desperately attempt to label Jesus as something; to appropriate him? Aren't you secure enough in your beliefs that you don't need some religious figure to corroborate them? It's pathetic, really.

RGacky3
19th June 2002, 22:50
Socialism existed way before jesus's time. It just was'nt called socialism untill the industrial revolution.

Vide
20th June 2002, 02:47
It seems everyone but me is privvy to this information about 2000 year old socialism. How about we see some evidence of this before we accept it as a given?

hXcPetey
21st June 2002, 17:01
Ummmmm.....
......ehemmmm.......
......what happened to oscar and dorthy..........
......wel, besides oscar being shot by cia trained assasins.......
.........and john brown was hung................
........y padre cardinal.......... he had become minister of culture under the sandinistas..............but dorthy died yet her catholic workers live..........

samaniego
23rd June 2002, 20:25
Man I give you alot of credit, thats alot of scipture. I think your right Jesus was a socialist in that he wanted to help the people, but I dont Christ had any political agenda. Many of the scriptures you wrote are talking about giving away material goods or helping those less fortunate than you, but it's not for a social reason. It's to put your faith in him. To forgo your material goods on earth and establish them in heaven, by letting go of them here and following Christ. Not to many people do that or in fact did that, but I think it
s cool of you to bring Christ in here, G/B/U

hXcPetey
25th June 2002, 22:24
oscar romero had blessed leftwing guerillas in el salvador

dorthy day was known for her "suspicious left wing connections"

not to mention, the greatist revolutionary of al time
JOHN BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!