investigating vandalism

[Red October]

does anyone have information on what techniques and procedures the police use to investigate tagging and other vandalism? also, got any tips on how best to avoid suspicion and arrest?

[apathy maybe]

I know nothing of how they go about investigating.

But advice on not getting caught.

1) Either do it on your own, or only with people you really fucking trust.

2) Do it at a time when you are not likely to get seen (early morning (~3-4) is good).

3a) Be prepared to dump your stuff if you have to

3b) Be prepared to run like hell to get away

3c) To facilitate escape, know your area. Know where cars can't go.

4) Don't spoil your own nest. That is, don't do shit around where you live.

5) If you tag a spot all the time, take a break for a couple of weeks to let it die down.

6) Have fun dude, and don't do prol's stuff.

[Inithias]

darn, that are some good advices. ^^
that's actually some logic info, but still,
good to know !

[Black Dagger]

AM's got a good list goin', just a few things i'd add...

-Wear disposeable gloves so as not to get paint on your hands.

-Don't buy your paint from your local shop if you're gonna be spraying in your local area. Generally, dont use paint in the local vicinity of the place you bought it ;)

-This overlaps if AM's fifth point... If you spray a place and it gets painted over the next day, you probably shouldnt bother hitting it up again - chances are the property owner is the kind of person who would call up the pigs if you made it a regular thing. This is by no means an immutable law, but usually the people who are more pro-active about painting over stuff (like the next day) are the kind of people who would call the pigs if you keep spraying their property. Also continually spraying on a place that gets painted over next day will PISS THE FUCK out of the person painting over that shit (plays into the calling the pigs stuff).

-Wear a hoody.

-Wear plain clothes, nothing that will make you stand or memorable if someone sees you and is questioned by the pigs.

-Know your area, know where the CCTV and security cameras are, if you're goin around on foot try to plan the route to your destination so as to not walk in sight of any cameras; if you cant avoid them, pull your hoody up.

-If you're waiting a layer to dry, go for a walk, dont hang around.

-Have an excuse prepared if you got stopped by the pigs, why you have the cans etc. some plausible excuses include
-gotta spray a model (for school/uni/whatever)
-for an art project
-to spray on tshirts (helps if you have an example to show, like if you're wearing a shirt with a stencil on it, or if you have some patches that were made using spray paint.

That's all i can think of at the moment...

[Red October]

thanks for all the suggestions. i dont have a car or bike though so my mobility is limited as to where i can tag and buy paint. the last tagging i did was painted over about 2 weeks later, and before that some other stuff lasted a few days. it was all on city property too. do cops investigate this more than vandalism against private property?

[Black Dagger]

It depends on the property and property owner. I doubt most property owners would bother to call the pigs if their property was tagged (unless there was some kind of damage as well); usually it will just be left or it will be painted over, with the pigs not really coming into it.

The same goes for council (local govt) property, say public toilets or bus stops - things are usually addressed without any sense of urgency (which is a good thing for budding graf artists!), sometimes not for months at a time (though all of this depends on the council of course).

The pigs are rarely if ever engaged in this process, its such a difficult thing to investigate - without a witness or video footage, they really have no leads whatsoever. However, prominent buildings, like a pig pen or things like squad cars would probably receive a lot more attention, but again - its hard for their investigation to really get going with so little clues. If a person is careful, its a very easy thing to get away.

However, if a 'vandal' goes get caught, usually its redhanded - during a spray etc. Then what they have to worry about is the pigs linking that person to other stuff around the area done in a similar style (maybe even the same piece, if you're writing your tag or putting up the same stencil around the place) - so in essence, as long as a 'vandal' doesnt get caught redhanded, its pretty much smooth sailing :P

[Red October]

true, i try to consider that when picking what to do. a fair amount of tagging went up at a highschool near my house and it was never investigated much, though i think the cops may have been called in. i think the schools usually try to deal with vandalism within the school's "justice system". a leftist freind of mine was questioned in connection with it, but they had no evidence so they couldnt get anything done. the thing i'm worried about is the cops getting a list of teenagers in the area and questioning parents.

[welshred]

If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 01:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
i doubt it. the process of taking off the gloves would probably smear any prints beyond recognition. and anyway, who would leave their latex gloves at the scene of the crime?

[Political_Chucky]

Well I do know that cops take pictures of Graffiti if it is being heavily used in the area. If they see your alias anywhere else, they try to stake these hot spots out, especially at school. Thats how a lot of my homies have been caught.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 02:08 pm
Well I do know that cops take pictures of Graffiti if it is being heavily used in the area. If they see your alias anywhere else, they try to stake these hot spots out, especially at school. Thats how a lot of my homies have been caught.
i didnt know they would actually stake places out. luckily i dont use any sort of alias or tagging name, i do it all anonymously.

[Inithias]

how do ya ppl know such good ideas, how do ya come up with them ? ^^

[Black Dagger]

Experience + logic :P

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:17 pm
how do ya ppl know such good ideas, how do ya come up with them ? ^^
i think a few people here have been arrested for this sort of thing so they would have some idea about it. and alot of the other stuff is just basic advice on how to avoid the pigs for any criminal activities.

[An archist]

maybe one last piece of advice: a cap + hoodie is perfect for shielding your face from cameras.

[Inithias]

experience, jsut what i thought :P

[welshred]

Shame I live in a village, there isnt many places to graffiti!

[Inithias]

i don't do much vandalism like tagging the place with graffiti,

but i've hung a lot of flyers with picuters of Che and Fidel in a school, with some quotes on them

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 12:54 am
Shame I live in a village, there isnt many places to graffiti!
Go on a lil' trip to your nearest regional centre/city :)

Bring your friends!

[Nachie]

1. if you can't ditch your cans, at least ditch your caps. that way you "couldn't possibly" have been painting.

2. stay cool if the police come by, a lot of times they act sketchy around you because they know they have no evidence and they're waiting for you to start running or something so that they'll have an excuse to chase you.

3. NEVER incriminate yourself or anybody else if stopped by the police. keep your fucking mouth shut!

4. in the united states, it is common for folks to get arrested on a bullshit charge like public intoxication if the pigs don't catch you in the act, since they can't prove anything but still want to get you off the street.

5. don't leave a trail of tags that leads back to your house.

6. a lot of writers get busted because cops raid their houses and find their tag up all over the place, in their black books, etc. so then they can be traced back to numerous other vandalisms. avoid this by not tagging up the inside of your room, or write under the name of a bigger crew so that all the acts cannot be attributed to one person.

7. put up lots of RAAN tags and send pictures to us!

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by nachie+--> (nachie)5. don't leave a trail of tags that leads back to your house.[/b]

lolskatez


nachie
7. put up lots of RAAN tags and send pictures to us!

:o :star:

[Inithias]

well, do we love RAAN or what ? ^^

[OneBrickOneVoice]

No most of us don't. Not even alot of the anarchists but that's another topic.

1) Never tag using your initials or first name/last name/ or middle name.

2) Always tag with at least one other person to be look out

3) put up communist slogans, don't tag. It's stupid, everyone does it, and makes no poin however if you do tag make it something revolutionary.

[Red October]

put up communist slogans, don't tag. It's stupid, everyone does it, and makes no poin however if you do tag make it something revolutionary.

thats what i do. i dont mean tagging in the sense of putting a name up, but maybe i used the wrong word.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 06:08 am
3) put up communist slogans, don't tag. It's stupid, everyone does it, and makes no poin however if you do tag make it something revolutionary.
Right, screw creativity - just spray meaningless slogans everywhere!

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

To me graffiti is about art... Round here, there aren't that many good graffiti artists that work on the streets... the kind of people who just write stuff like "graffiti sux" or any slogan in a very cackhanded way are complete dolts, personally I'd rather look at a blank wall...

[Black Dagger]

Or the kind of people who scrawl their really shit tag over the top-half of your stencil-art in a way that looks completely deliberate... despite the fact that there is plenty of blank space around the same area for them to write on :angry:

[welshred]

I was in town today and seen the anarchist symbol spray painted on a bus stop. made me wonder was it the work of an anarchist of some kid who doesnt know what the symbol means?

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Originally posted by black [email protected] 13, 2007 05:01 pm
Or the kind of people who scrawl their really shit tag over the top-half of your stencil-art in a way that looks completely deliberate... despite the fact that there is plenty of blank space around the same area for them to write on :angry:
those guys are the worst

[Inithias]

Over here in Belgium, Gent,

There's an alley where you can spray your paint legally, many artists from a lot of countries go there, to spray their art. The few times I've been there, I've seen very beautiful graffiti art !

But yeah, after a week, it's sprayed over by stupid tags..

[Red October]

Originally posted by Kevis+March 13, 2007 01:31 pm--> (Kevis @ March 13, 2007 01:31 pm)
black [email protected] 13, 2007 05:01 pm
Or the kind of people who scrawl their really shit tag over the top-half of your stencil-art in a way that looks completely deliberate... despite the fact that there is plenty of blank space around the same area for them to write on :angry:
those guys are the worst [/b]
yeah, thats why i never use the (A). people associate it with angsty 12 yearolds who dont know what theyre talking about.

[Inithias]

yeah, thats why i never use the (A). people associate it with angsty 12 yearolds who dont know what theyre talking about.

too bad they think that, darn those kids :AO: =D

[razboz]

When i walk down a street i prefer not to see politics. I get enough of that stuff on here, at school, in the news....

Thats why i preffer to see (read: create) things that really bring us back to the essence of the struggle: notions of freedom, love, beauty and so on. I find that a small hopefull message written on the side of a bathroom stall (like "sous les pavés, la plage") can have a much more profound effect on people than any quote from the Communist Manifesto written in 40 meter high leters on the side of my school.

Not that that's ever happened.... *looks wistfully into the nearish future*

Essentially keep your hammers and sickles and (A)s to yourselves. Save your paint for something really meaningful and profound that people dont need a PhD in Political Science to begin to understand.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

A lot of the graffiti from Paris 1968 is highly thought provoking

http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/graffiti.htm

edit: I split the explosive toilet thing as it doesn't really pertain to a political nature or contribute much to the forum, new topic can be found: http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=64325

[Political_Chucky]

Hmm usually i'll put up a piece and then next to it some kind of slogan like Communism lives or something.

[midnight marauder]

In all honesty I haven't read through this thread in it's entirety, but I can say that for the most part (especially pertaining to the states) police really won't "investigate" graffiti. If you're all-city and causing a lot of property damage, sure, but they're very limited in what they can do to go about finding writers. Since it's a property crime, you really should only worry about getting caught red handed, or shortly afterward if you've been seen by a camera or a witness of some kind. I wouldn't worry, just take the proper precautions to not get caught and you're good.

I've been writing for almost five years, long before I got into revolutionary leftist politics, so if you have any specific questions about anything graffiti related I'd be happy to do my best to help you out.

The tips I saw skimming through this thread were all awesome.

Here's another quick tip that comes to mind: a few weeks ago a homie of mine recently got caught. He had his cell phone on him. All we've really learned about that is don't put writers in your cell phone contancts by the name they write with![I] :lol:

[midnight marauder]

Oh, and, one more thing:


3) put up communist slogans, don't tag. It's stupid, everyone does it, and makes no poin however if you do tag make it something revolutionary.

...the fuck are you talking about? No offence man, but you seem like you know absolutely nothing about the culture.

Art for the sake of art :wub:

[Inithias]

hmm, do w/e you want to do, tag the place if you want, put slogans if you want, ...
just make damn sure it pisses those fucking nazis off

[Urban Rubble]

Police in the states most definitely DO investigate "vandalism". MySpace has been the downfall a lot of people. Keep your illegal work off of your personal profiles.

Also, don't do graf in public unless you are actually good.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 26, 2007 04:12 pm
Police in the states most definitely DO investigate "vandalism". MySpace has been the downfall a lot of people. Keep your illegal work off of your personal profiles.

Also, don't do graf in public unless you are actually good.
i heard about some kids who got busted because the pigs were looking around on myspace. but if you remain anonymous and dont do it for the fame like some people do, you run less risk of getting busted.

[Inithias]

yeah, let that be a warning to all you vandals and tagger 'round here =D

[razboz]

One of the few things that writters i've talked to agree on is that the less you look for fame and the more you look for art, the more famous you will be become. Art should be done for the art not the fame. Working for fame leads to a lessening in your creativity and hence your appeal =>you become less (not more ) famous.

[Inithias]

One of the few things that writters i've talked to agree on is that the less you look for fame and the more you look for art, the more famous you will be become. Art should be done for the art not the fame. Working for fame leads to a lessening in your creativity and hence your appeal =>you become less (not more ) famous.

if you want to be famous, you must look for the art, not the fame..
so, if you wanna be famous, look for the art, not the fame !

[midnight marauder]

That's not at all true. I wish it was. Just idealism, guys. Off the top of my head, I'd say fame in your community comes from three sources: quality, quanity, placement. The best writers know that the best route to fame is to keep all three aspects intimately intertwined, but on their own they can each accomplish the same goal. It all depends.

Markers thread will come this weekend.

Keep it up, all!

[razboz]

The best writers dont give a flying fuck about the fame.

[Inithias]

The best writers dont give a flying fuck about the fame.

yeah, kinda =D

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 12:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
Yes. Your fingerprints can also be transferred right through the gloves, especially on certain surfaces.

[razboz]

Originally posted by black coffee black metal+April 07, 2007 06:33 am--> (black coffee black metal @ April 07, 2007 06:33 am)
[email protected] 10, 2007 12:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
Yes. Your fingerprints can also be transferred right through the gloves, especially on certain surfaces. [/b]
You really should still wear gloves, because spray paint can seriously mess with your skin.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by razboz+April 07, 2007 05:14 pm--> (razboz @ April 07, 2007 05:14 pm)
Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 07, 2007 06:33 am

[email protected] 10, 2007 12:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
Yes. Your fingerprints can also be transferred right through the gloves, especially on certain surfaces.
You really should still wear gloves, because spray paint can seriously mess with your skin. [/b]
Word, sometimes the spray burns my fingers :(

I dont bother with gloves though, i never seem to get much if any paint on my hands...

[Inithias]

Word, sometimes the spray burns my fingers :(

I dont bother with gloves though, i never seem to get much if any paint on my hands...
hmm, that sounds like chickenfingers ^^

[Black Dagger]

I'll take your word for it :P

[Red October]

my skin must have some weird properties. i get paint and krink on my hands alot, but it never burns or causes any irritation. if i get paint on my hands, all it takes is some spit and rubbing to get it off.

[OkaCrisis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 03:14 pm

yeah, thats why i never use the (A). people associate it with angsty 12 yearolds who dont know what theyre talking about.

too bad they think that, darn those kids :AO: =D
I prefer:

http://www.proletarianthreads.com/tshirts/images/anarchy-t.jpg


Definitely communicates "anarchy = love"

[Inithias]

hmm, that's very nice indeed, maybe with some red ..

[An archist]

or pink :D

[Inithias]

:unsure: or green maybe

[Red October]

in my town we have a "free expression tunnel" where graffiti is allowed, so one kid was putting up his tag there and a passing cop recognized the tag and arrested him.

[razboz]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 09, 2007 08:05 pm
in my town we have a "free expression tunnel" where graffiti is allowed, so one kid was putting up his tag there and a passing cop recognized the tag and arrested him.
i guess that just goes to show exactly what the "free expression" is for.

[Inithias]

omg, that's shit :s
we have one 2 over here

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 07:05 pm
Over here in Belgium, Gent,

There's an alley where you can spray your paint legally, many artists from a lot of countries go there, to spray their art. The few times I've been there, I've seen very beautiful graffiti art !

But yeah, after a week, it's sprayed over by stupid tags..
Never knew you live in Ghent too.
I know that little street, I passed by a few times. I wish there were more of them.

[Inithias]

Originally posted by Raccoon+April 11, 2007 10:47 am--> (Raccoon @ April 11, 2007 10:47 am)
[email protected] 13, 2007 07:05 pm
Over here in Belgium, Gent,

There's an alley where you can spray your paint legally, many artists from a lot of countries go there, to spray their art. The few times I've been there, I've seen very beautiful graffiti art !

But yeah, after a week, it's sprayed over by stupid tags..
Never knew you live in Ghent too.
I know that little street, I passed by a few times. I wish there were more of them. [/b]
not that I live in Gent, but been there like 10 times i guess

yeah, it's a nice street, nice paintings ^^

[bcbm]

Originally posted by razboz+April 07, 2007 01:14 am--> (razboz @ April 07, 2007 01:14 am)
Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 07, 2007 06:33 am

[email protected] 10, 2007 12:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
Yes. Your fingerprints can also be transferred right through the gloves, especially on certain surfaces.
You really should still wear gloves, because spray paint can seriously mess with your skin. [/b]
I wasn't suggesting not wearing gloves, just that thicker gloves are needed if you're worried about prints.

[midnight marauder]

the real reason you wear gloves isn't for prints...it's because having paint on the tips of your fingers is a tell tale sign that you're a writer.

cops know this well, and more than a few writers have been caught this way.

i for one have been questioned many a time by school administrators, among others, about this, so it's always a good idea to wear some latex gloves if you're getting up.

cheers

[RNK]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 09, 2007 08:05 pm
in my town we have a "free expression tunnel" where graffiti is allowed, so one kid was putting up his tag there and a passing cop recognized the tag and arrested him.
That sounds an *awful* lot like entrapment.

[Jude]

:( I can't write b/c of gang violence... Don't want to bring a can to a Gun fight!

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 03:39 pm
:( I can't write b/c of gang violence... Don't want to bring a can to a Gun fight!
Is is because gangs/crews dominate the steets where you live? Like if you write some place you're likely to get harrassed or jumped by crews for spraying in 'their territory'? etc. I know a dude who basically quit writing coz of that, he was in a crew but the whole thing just got out of hand, a lot of violence and shit, really fucking ridiculous.

[Inithias]

do cops look more for prints, or just the paint on your fingers ?

Greetz.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 10:00 pm
the real reason you wear gloves isn't for prints...it's because having paint on the tips of your fingers is a tell tale sign that you're a writer.
Obviously... I was just answering the question about prints and latex. Useful to know for... other things.


do cops look more for prints, or just the paint on your fingers ?

Paint.

[Inithias]

darn, me & the dudes did some vandalism,
and a guy came up and called the pigs,
we had like 15 minutes to catch the last train home, and we needed torun from the pigs, did a major turning to avoid them, all the little alleys in the city,
just made it, if we were 1 minute too late, we missed the train

safe home ^^

Greetz.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 07:36 am
darn, me & the dudes did some vandalism,
and a guy came up and called the pigs,
we had like 15 minutes to catch the last train home, and we needed torun from the pigs, did a major turning to avoid them, all the little alleys in the city,
just made it, if we were 1 minute too late, we missed the train

safe home ^^

Greetz.
I hate when you're trying to do something good and you have to run. It would be nice for people to at least let you finish before they call the cops.

[Inithias]

Originally posted by Red October+May 05, 2007 05:30 pm--> (Red October @ May 05, 2007 05:30 pm)
[email protected] 05, 2007 07:36 am
darn, me & the dudes did some vandalism,
and a guy came up and called the pigs,
we had like 15 minutes to catch the last train home, and we needed torun from the pigs, did a major turning to avoid them, all the little alleys in the city,
just made it, if we were 1 minute too late, we missed the train

safe home ^^

Greetz.
I hate when you're trying to do something good and you have to run. It would be nice for people to at least let you finish before they call the cops. [/b]
yeha it would be,
but they sure nog gonna wait, they just want to fuck with you,
they're poisoned with the thoughts they're doing something right, it wasn't even his property 8-)

[Red October]

Yes, that's the downside of "community watch" groups. I agree with the overall idea, but too many of them are focused on reporting small things like graffiti. Luckily I generally don't do anything in community watch areas, because there really isn't anything there other than houses.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 01:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
Yes, it is true. They would most likely not bother going through to trouble to do so though. Also, don't spray slogans or things that people have heard you say or display (like in your AIM profile or MySpace page), because that has fucked me over hardcore in the past.

[Inithias]

yeah,
i mean, i don't trash ppl's property, i only trash government's property ^^

[Red October]

Originally posted by Fawkes+May 06, 2007 01:18 pm--> (Fawkes @ May 06, 2007 01:18 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 01:07 pm
If you wear latex gloves, is it true that the filth can lift prints off the inside of the gloves?
Yes, it is true. They would most likely not bother going through to trouble to do so though. Also, don't spray slogans or things that people have heard you say or display (like in your AIM profile or MySpace page), because that has fucked me over hardcore in the past. [/b]
what, you sprayed your myspace url all over the place?

[Fawkes]

No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.

[Red October]

that's fucked up. was this guy a friend? and how much trouble did you get in?

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 06, 2007 03:25 pm
that's fucked up. was this guy a friend? and how much trouble did you get in?
Was a friend. I had to clean it all off with these weird chemicals wearing a full-body suit. I fortunately didn't have to pay anything because my dad knows a painter from whom the equipment needed was borrowed.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Fawkes+May 06, 2007 03:32 pm--> (Fawkes @ May 06, 2007 03:32 pm)
Red [email protected] 06, 2007 03:25 pm
that's fucked up. was this guy a friend? and how much trouble did you get in?
Was a friend. I had to clean it all off with these weird chemicals wearing a full-body suit. I fortunately didn't have to pay anything because my dad knows a painter from whom the equipment needed was borrowed. [/b]
i got busted for bathroom graffiti and have to help the janitors clean it off. it seems ironic that the chemicals and shit used to clean up graffiti are so toxic that they do way more harm to the environment than the graffiti itself.

[Inithias]

yeah, but they don't give a fuck about it, they just want walls that look clean and if they have the sprayer, they would enjoy it so much to see how he cleans it :/

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 09:41 am
yeah, but they don't give a fuck about it, they just want walls that look clean and if they have the sprayer, they would enjoy it so much to see how he cleans it :/
That's why you make sure it can't be cleaned off. And you should get away with it too.

[Inithias]

idd, I think that if someone tags the place, it's his meaning that no one can get it off :P

[Red October]

I was recently busted for bathroom graffiti in school, and part of my punishment was to scrub graffiti off around school. I felt really bad about cleaning it off, but I saved as much as I could. Cleaning the graffiti didn't have the intended effect of making me want to stop graffiti, It made me want to do more.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 02:10 pm
No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.
Was there any other evidence against you? Because otherwise there really isn't much of a case against you beyond circumstantial evidence.

[Red October]

circumstantial evidence can really bite you in the ass. thats how i got suspended.

[Lenin II]

Do it really late/early at night, about 2-4 am. Wear black and plain clothes, covering your body. Dark jeans and a hoody will do nicely. Wear disposable gloves and a ski mask, anything to cover your features. Don't make it too close to your home if you have a choice. Do not vandalize anything owned by the workers, go for corporate targets. Be prepared to drop the can and RUN LIKE HELL!

[Lenin II]

Oh yeah, i forgot. It doesn't matter that you dont have a car or bike, its all the better. Riding a vehicle only gives the pigs one more way to identify your ass. Ok, I CANNOT stress the plain black hoody strong enough. Cameras may be watching, especially if you live in the US or UK. Criminals in Scotland and the UK always wear hoodies to hide from the camera while commiting a crime. This is where the term "hoods" came from. A ski mask or kerchief worn on the face doesnt hurt either.

[apathy maybe]

And of course wearing a sky mask means you don't look like you are doing anything suss at all...

[An archist]

hoodie+cap and a scarf: you can go from perfectly innocent to unrecognisable in a second.

[Inithias]

just wear something plain, and cover your hear with something, in the winter you can easily do this. Just make sure you're just "another person" for the rest of the world, so they don't pay attention to you

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 10:50 pm
Do it really late/early at night, about 2-4 am. Wear black and plain clothes, covering your body. Dark jeans and a hoody will do nicely. Wear disposable gloves and a ski mask, anything to cover your features. Don't make it too close to your home if you have a choice. Do not vandalize anything owned by the workers, go for corporate targets. Be prepared to drop the can and RUN LIKE HELL!
Wearing all black at night while up to no good is a really good way of attracting attention to yourself. Most people don't wear all black, let alone at night, and having a hood up is just a dead give away. It also makes describing you to pigs pretty easy. Better to wear nondescript clothes in darkish/neutral colors, probably with a pair of jeans. Just try to look like everybody else in the area you'll be in. A polo shirt and sports team cap on a college campus will get you further than a black jumpsuit.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by black coffee black metal+May 12, 2007 12:31 am--> (black coffee black metal @ May 12, 2007 12:31 am)
[email protected] 10, 2007 10:50 pm
Do it really late/early at night, about 2-4 am. Wear black and plain clothes, covering your body. Dark jeans and a hoody will do nicely. Wear disposable gloves and a ski mask, anything to cover your features. Don't make it too close to your home if you have a choice. Do not vandalize anything owned by the workers, go for corporate targets. Be prepared to drop the can and RUN LIKE HELL!
Wearing all black at night while up to no good is a really good way of attracting attention to yourself. Most people don't wear all black, let alone at night, and having a hood up is just a dead give away. It also makes describing you to pigs pretty easy. Better to wear nondescript clothes in darkish/neutral colors, probably with a pair of jeans. Just try to look like everybody else in the area you'll be in. A polo shirt and sports team cap on a college campus will get you further than a black jumpsuit. [/b]
Wearing black means they can't see you. Of course, I was assuming a suburban or light ommercial setting. if it is urban, perhaps that wouldn't be best.

[Jude]

I saw "some guys" painting stuff around town. Although i would *never* comit any cts of "vandalism", i will take some pics of the "damage" that these "terrible thugs" did... if u know what i mean...

[bcbm]

Originally posted by AndrewG+May 11, 2007 07:16 pm--> (AndrewG @ May 11, 2007 07:16 pm)
Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 12, 2007 12:31 am

[email protected] 10, 2007 10:50 pm
Do it really late/early at night, about 2-4 am. Wear black and plain clothes, covering your body. Dark jeans and a hoody will do nicely. Wear disposable gloves and a ski mask, anything to cover your features. Don't make it too close to your home if you have a choice. Do not vandalize anything owned by the workers, go for corporate targets. Be prepared to drop the can and RUN LIKE HELL!
Wearing all black at night while up to no good is a really good way of attracting attention to yourself. Most people don't wear all black, let alone at night, and having a hood up is just a dead give away. It also makes describing you to pigs pretty easy. Better to wear nondescript clothes in darkish/neutral colors, probably with a pair of jeans. Just try to look like everybody else in the area you'll be in. A polo shirt and sports team cap on a college campus will get you further than a black jumpsuit.
Wearing black means they can't see you. Of course, I was assuming a suburban or light ommercial setting. if it is urban, perhaps that wouldn't be best. [/b]
No it doesn't. Wearing black doesn't make you invisible. It might make you harder to see in certain types of light (although navy blue is better), but it also really makes you stand out if you are seen. Wearing all black, at night, in a not-very-high-traffic area, when vandalism has occurred makes you very, very suspicious. The more normal and inconspicuous you look, the better, and that means not all black, even in suburbs and light commercial areas. Its even better to have a good reason to be out at that time, like walking a dog, or being with a girl.

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by black coffee black metal+May 10, 2007 10:05 pm--> (black coffee black metal @ May 10, 2007 10:05 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2007 02:10 pm
No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.
Was there any other evidence against you? Because otherwise there really isn't much of a case against you beyond circumstantial evidence. [/b]
No, but they were able to link it with me with a reasonable doubt due to the fact that my dad told the police officers that I was in town all day that day skateboarding with my friends.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Fawkes+May 11, 2007 11:18 pm--> (Fawkes @ May 11, 2007 11:18 pm)
Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 10, 2007 10:05 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 02:10 pm
No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.
Was there any other evidence against you? Because otherwise there really isn't much of a case against you beyond circumstantial evidence.
No, but they were able to link it with me with a reasonable doubt due to the fact that my dad told the police officers that I was in town all day that day skateboarding with my friends. [/b]
It sounds like a case you could've pretty easily fought, though that can obviously be expensive. I'm currently having my own fun travelling through the legal system though, so maybe I'm just feeling combative. ;)

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by black coffee black metal+May 12, 2007 12:22 am--> (black coffee black metal @ May 12, 2007 12:22 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 11:18 pm

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 10, 2007 10:05 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 02:10 pm
No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.
Was there any other evidence against you? Because otherwise there really isn't much of a case against you beyond circumstantial evidence.
No, but they were able to link it with me with a reasonable doubt due to the fact that my dad told the police officers that I was in town all day that day skateboarding with my friends.
It sounds like a case you could've pretty easily fought, though that can obviously be expensive. I'm currently having my own fun travelling through the legal system though, so maybe I'm just feeling combative. ;) [/b]
I was naive at the time, considering that it was my first ever run-in with police. I probably could have fought it, but I didn't bother at the time...regrettably.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Fawkes+May 12, 2007 12:34 am--> (Fawkes @ May 12, 2007 12:34 am)
Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 12, 2007 12:22 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 11:18 pm

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 10, 2007 10:05 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 02:10 pm
No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.
Was there any other evidence against you? Because otherwise there really isn't much of a case against you beyond circumstantial evidence.
No, but they were able to link it with me with a reasonable doubt due to the fact that my dad told the police officers that I was in town all day that day skateboarding with my friends.
It sounds like a case you could've pretty easily fought, though that can obviously be expensive. I'm currently having my own fun travelling through the legal system though, so maybe I'm just feeling combative. ;)
I was naive at the time, considering that it was my first ever run-in with police. I probably could have fought it, but I didn't bother at the time...regrettably. [/b]
well, how much shit did you get in? would it have been worth it to fight it?

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Red October+May 12, 2007 05:50 pm--> (Red October @ May 12, 2007 05:50 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 12:34 am

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 12, 2007 12:22 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 11:18 pm

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 10, 2007 10:05 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 02:10 pm
No, I sprayed a slogan that I had once used as an away message on AIM that some douche bag recognized and, as a result, told on me to the pigs.
Was there any other evidence against you? Because otherwise there really isn't much of a case against you beyond circumstantial evidence.
No, but they were able to link it with me with a reasonable doubt due to the fact that my dad told the police officers that I was in town all day that day skateboarding with my friends.
It sounds like a case you could've pretty easily fought, though that can obviously be expensive. I'm currently having my own fun travelling through the legal system though, so maybe I'm just feeling combative. ;)
I was naive at the time, considering that it was my first ever run-in with police. I probably could have fought it, but I didn't bother at the time...regrettably.
well, how much shit did you get in? would it have been worth it to fight it? [/b]

I had to clean it all off with these weird chemicals wearing a full-body suit. I fortunately didn't have to pay anything because my dad knows a painter from whom the equipment needed was borrowed.

[Red October]

oops...bad memory...
how hard is paint to get off?

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 13, 2007 11:31 am
oops...bad memory...
how hard is paint to get off?
Hard. It's still on the building, just faded.

[Inithias]

nice

[Sir_No_Sir]

A few questions:
Would it be just as logical to wear those thin gloves, like you wear during the winter, instead of latex?

How I wish I had a driver's license, or friends with a car..we just got a new mall, but its about 5 miles away..


But, within a one mile radius of me, here's the targets: 2 churches, a middle school, an elementary school, and a high school. I know for sure the middle school has no security cameras outside, but idk about anything else.

[Red October]

Don't vandalize churches, that will just get everyone in the community really pissed off and no one will listen to whatever message you put there. High Schools are good targets, but don't do your own, especially if you're known there for being a leftist. Are there any banks or other commercial establishments near you?

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 03:20 pm
A few questions:
Would it be just as logical to wear those thin gloves, like you wear during the winter, instead of latex?

How I wish I had a driver's license, or friends with a car..we just got a new mall, but its about 5 miles away..


But, within a one mile radius of me, here's the targets: 2 churches, a middle school, an elementary school, and a high school. I know for sure the middle school has no security cameras outside, but idk about anything else.
Not really, the can would slip right out of your hand and clatter, bringing attention to you. Also, paint will most likely get on them, ruining them. Disposable latex is best. And man, the mall would be perfect...are you SURE you cant get a ride?

[An archist]

aren't there any blank walls? Like bridges or random walls that don't seem to have any use?