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BlakSheep
23rd February 2007, 18:39
I was just curious what any of you would do to fight global warming. It is something that affects us all and I think it is just as important as feeding and sheltering people. Well maybe not as important but still up there. Than, I want to know what you think we can do to help now.

BurnTheOliveTree
23rd February 2007, 19:17
Ground the planes, ban petrol cars and replace with better mass transit and electric cars.


But, I'm hardly the voice of RevLeft on environmental issues.

-Alex

piet11111
24th February 2007, 02:52
i would ground airplanes as they are too ineffective and i would see to it that scientists develop "air-scrubbers" that filter our the greenhouse gasses in the city's.

i would also aid foreign country's into developing greener alternatives.
take africa for example they can go the western polluting way or they could go green by using high tech alternatives.
if we communists provide the means to go green i dont see why they would reject it.

Sentinel
26th February 2007, 04:08
I would not ground any airplanes until we have equally fast means of transport. But when it comes to oil as an energy source, and with it petrol cars, I'm confident electricity will break it's dominance quite naturally in most areas, once the oil profiteers are out of the picture.

Also, I agree that once the first world goes communist we'll likely be able to help developing countries skip many environmentally malicious stages of technological development we were forced to go through, by sharing our knowledge and equipment. But as long as the capitalist system dominates the globe there is little we can effectively do to stop pollution and environmental damage, neither at home or anywhere else.


I want to know what you think we can do to help now.

Revolution, before anything else. As long as profits are the main goal of the industries, the environment is fucked no matter what.

Guerrilla22
26th February 2007, 07:33
The problem is without governmnet mandates, it will be pretty difficult. The governments have the means to put in place strict fuel economy standards, but simply do not, because governments cater to big business interest. So instead, we're getting assholes driving around in SUVs that get 2 miles to the gallon. Expanding and improving public transportation in the US is another way, but governments, especially in the US have largely resisted doing so for the same reasons they won't make laws on fuel economy.

Karl Marx's Camel
26th February 2007, 13:22
Someone check this out! (Alternative Fuel Cars) (http://www.collingwood.sutton.sch.uk/Energy%20Saving/ESNoCars3.htm)

Sentinel
26th February 2007, 19:25
Obviously, starting a war with the purpose to bring down the human population on earth is not a revolutionary leftist approach to tackle environmental problems..

So I have split De Smidse's primitivist bullshit into Opposing Ideologies, in case comrades want to continue debating him on this subject.

link (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=63288)

BlakSheep
26th February 2007, 23:54
I was wondering where that went. It reminded me of Cambodia when it was getting into communism, they took the definition of communism a little too literal. They killed masses of people. Beautiful people, people with braces, glasses, etc.. because they felt they needed to level society before building up.

Janus
27th February 2007, 00:55
It doesn't matter whether you believe in anthropogenic global warming or not. We seriously need to further develop alternative energy sources/technology. In the US, the current energy research budget is around 1 billion which is quite sad considering that it's the equivalent of about 3 F-22 Raptor jets.

Bremsstrahlung
27th February 2007, 23:06
Well global warming is a natural thing..we just happened to accelerate it a damn lot. We can leave it as far as we can, but in terms of slowing it (im ignoring the suggestion we could stop pumping out greenhouse gasses, never happen) there are loads of wild crazy schemes you could try.

Aluminium foil, placed over large parts of uninhabited sections of the plannet.
or
Huge pumps to inject water and thus clouds into the sky.

Both act as reflectors to light form the the sun, thus the temperature lowers a little...thus we cna burn fossil fuels as much as we like, the temperature stays even.