Hamas Official: Us "sowing Sedition"

[Guerrilla22]

DAMASCUS, Syria - A senior Hamas official on Monday accused the United States of "sowing sedition" among the Palestinians hours after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice held a rare summit with the Israeli prime minister and Palestinian president.



Rice held the three-way summit with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Monday. But the talks — initially billed as a new peace push — produced few results amid concerns over an emerging Palestinian unity government led by Hamas and joined by Abbas' rival Fatah party.

Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy political leader of Islamic militant group Hamas, told a Palestinian rally at the Yarmouk refugee camp near this Syrian capital that U.S. policy was based on "sowing sedition among the peoples and states of the region through dividing the Middle East into two camps: A moderate camp and a non-moderate one."

On Sunday, Rice said in the West Bank city of Ramallah that she would not judge the new Palestinian government until it has been formed.

Abu Marzouk, who lives in exile in Syria, thanked Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, for resisting what he called "U.S. pressures" exerted by Rice during her visit.

"These pressures exerted by Rice on Abu Mazen during Sunday's and Monday's meetings to abandon the agreement (with Hamas) and promising him support and him resisting these pressures deserve appreciation," Abu Marzouk told the rally.

The international community has demanded that any Palestinian government recognize Israel, accept previous peace deals and renounce violence, but a Palestinian unity government deal, forged earlier this month, only pledges to "respect" past peace agreements.

[chimx]

Hamas and company don't want Israel to exist. They instead want it replaced by an Islamic state. That is why so many governments are appealing to the PA to ditch the anti-Israel rhetoric.

Or have things changed on the Left recently, and its totally cool to support the creation of rightist religious governments?

[Guerrilla22]

That's not really relevant. What is relevant is the fact that the US and Israel have been engaging in a campaign to encourage different factions to fight against each other (see Lebanon as well)


Hamas and company don't want Israel to exist.

Israel doesn't want Palestine, or rather a Palestinian state to exist either. The only difference is there is currently an Israeli state, but not a Palestinian state.

[chimx]

Israel doesn't want Palestine, or rather a Palestinian state to exist either. The only difference is there is currently an Israeli state, but not a Palestinian state.

So how is supporting hamas any different than supporting the israeli government?

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:21 pm

Israel doesn't want Palestine, or rather a Palestinian state to exist either. The only difference is there is currently an Israeli state, but not a Palestinian state.

So how is supporting hamas any different than supporting the israeli government?
So like the imperialists we also say Palestinians to bear with the Israeli Apartheid.

No one is in position to tell anything to Hamas. The are the products of the greatest crime of 19th century and the Palestinian workers support them whether we like them or not.

[Comrade_Scott]

Originally posted by g.ram+February 20, 2007 09:37 am--> (g.ram @ February 20, 2007 09:37 am)
[email protected] 20, 2007 06:21 pm

Israel doesn't want Palestine, or rather a Palestinian state to exist either. The only difference is there is currently an Israeli state, but not a Palestinian state.

So how is supporting hamas any different than supporting the israeli government?
So like the imperialists we also say Palestinians to bear with the Israeli Apartheid.

No one is in position to tell anything to Hamas. The are the products of the greatest crime of 19th century and the Palestinian workers support them whether we like them or not. [/b]
so we support hamas because the workers love them? if i recall the workers also lover hitler... should we then support him? no we support groups based on what they do to uplift the working class and eleminate the class system and class elite and so far hamas have not shown any signs of doing that, we as members of the left should never throw our hat in just because the working class support someone, it is a dangerous game

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Comrade_Scott+February 23, 2007 02:48 pm--> (Comrade_Scott @ February 23, 2007 02:48 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:37 am

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:21 pm

Israel doesn't want Palestine, or rather a Palestinian state to exist either. The only difference is there is currently an Israeli state, but not a Palestinian state.

So how is supporting hamas any different than supporting the israeli government?
So like the imperialists we also say Palestinians to bear with the Israeli Apartheid.

No one is in position to tell anything to Hamas. The are the products of the greatest crime of 19th century and the Palestinian workers support them whether we like them or not.
so we support hamas because the workers love them? if i recall the workers also lover hitler... should we then support him? no we support groups based on what they do to uplift the working class and eleminate the class system and class elite and so far hamas have not shown any signs of doing that, we as members of the left should never throw our hat in just because the working class support someone, it is a dangerous game [/b]
That's not what gram was implying. No one is voicing support for Hamas here. As gram correctly stated, Hamas is the consequence of decades of Israeli oppression and they are popular with the Palestinian people for the same reason. The only way to get rid of Hamas is for that oppression to end, a Palestinian state formed and the living standards of the Palestinian people to be greatly improved. Unfortunately this really is in the hands of the Israelis, who seem to be content with allowing Palestine to exist in its current state of misery.

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by Comrade_Scott+February 23, 2007 08:18 pm--> (Comrade_Scott @ February 23, 2007 08:18 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:37 am

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:21 pm

Israel doesn't want Palestine, or rather a Palestinian state to exist either. The only difference is there is currently an Israeli state, but not a Palestinian state.

So how is supporting hamas any different than supporting the israeli government?
So like the imperialists we also say Palestinians to bear with the Israeli Apartheid.

No one is in position to tell anything to Hamas. The are the products of the greatest crime of 19th century and the Palestinian workers support them whether we like them or not.
so we support hamas because the workers love them? if i recall the workers also lover hitler... should we then support him? no we support groups based on what they do to uplift the working class and eleminate the class system and class elite and so far hamas have not shown any signs of doing that, we as members of the left should never throw our hat in just because the working class support someone, it is a dangerous game [/b]
Did I say that we should support Hamas ? Certainly they are not Socialist in anyway but what they are fighting for is for the people of Palestine who had been oppressed because of a crime Hitler committed. Palestinian people in both Gaza and West Bank had elected Hamas to represent them and US and Isralei Imperialists are in no position to punish Palestinians for voting Hamas.


we as members of the left should never throw our hat in just because the working class support someone, it is a dangerous game

Hamas is not Hitler's party and your comparison is really stupid.