Taggers Wanted!

[BlakSheep]

I have a tagging crew, R.A.R.E., which is made up of not only people who go under R.A.R.E., but of other crews. There is a pledge all members must under go, and if you are interested I will gladly email you the pledge. Simply email and ask me. R.A.R.E.'s general purpose is to spread awareness. The crews that pertained their same crew name, but simply went under R.A.R.E. still tag their regular things, but they must sometimes T.W.A.P., tag with a purpose. If anyone is interested, they can email me and I will respond in about a week. Email your tagging name or names, if it is multiple people, and if you are signing up your crew, your crew name also. Give me you country, (no personal information of course, people have been known to accidently find certain information while hacking, and have sold info to dangerous people, I would hate it if that were to happen to R.A.R.E.) also if you can, some pictures of your work just so I can know your style. All there is is a pledge. No meetings orr anything like that, but me and some fellow comrades have been working on a newsletter. Oh and of course, my tagging name is BlakSheep if anyone is interested.

[Fawkes]

What's R.A.R.E. stand for? Also, politically, does the group following any specific line of thinking?

[redcannon]

why should tagging have to be organized? when that happens, it is only done so people can be a part of something, when really it should be getting a brief message to the general public. tagging RARE won't do shit. tagging NO WAR BUT A CLASS WAR might.

[Fawkes]

why should tagging have to be organized?
Well, it doesn't have to be, but graffiti crews are an essential part of graffiti/hip-hop culture and some of the best work out there is not done by a single person, but by a group.

[R_P_A_S]

im amazed how some taggers get up to some parts here in the city... crazt!

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 07:10 am
im amazed how some taggers get up to some parts here in the city... crazt!
I hit the side of a computer companies building, it took me nearly 40 minutes to scale the building :ph34r:

[bcbm]

I saw a really well done tag on the side of a bridge; the ledge they stood on was maybe 4 inches wide... it read "Buff this, *****."

Classic.

[Pirate Utopian]

i dont do graffiti (yet, maybe later when im older) but i got much respect for it and i know some famous writers and graffterms (yes i played Getting Up:))

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 21, 2007 06:22 am
i dont do graffiti (yet, maybe later when im older)
Why not?

Its hella fun :)

[Pirate Utopian]

yeah but right now i have no money for paintcans and good places to tag nor ways to get their on my own

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 21, 2007 11:20 pm
yeah but right now i have no money for paintcans and good places to tag nor ways to get their on my own
As for paintcans, your parents might have some in their garage, or maybe ditto but for one of your friends... or if you know some cool older people they could buy them for you? As for places to tag, whats wrong with where you live? The streets are your canvas :P Business is everywhere, walls are all around us.

[Pirate Utopian]

there are mostly people's houses and schools near i dont wanna spray on that. also we dont have a garage.

i could paint on the nearby shopping mall, but then again i dont think my i can slip outta the house unnoticed

[razboz]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 21, 2007 02:31 pm
there are mostly people's houses and schools near i dont wanna spray on that. also we dont have a garage.

i could paint on the nearby shopping mall, but then again i dont think my i can slip outta the house unnoticed
Hint: At 3 oclock in the morning most people's natural rythm is at its low. This is the time people are most deeply asleep. You must be awake. Then you can find a window or a door. And go out of it. And go to where you want to go.

[Pirate Utopian]

thanks for the advice, i'll try it out when i got my cans

[Red October]

if you're just starting to tag, go for small stuff first. and look for nice areas that have foot traffic during the day, but none at night and preferably no cameras. then you can do whatever you want and leave and never get caught.

[BlakSheep]

R.A.R.E. has no guidelines but a simple pledge. Try to tag with a purpose. Don't steal from the oppressed masses. Always try to educate others, never deny anyone the right to know what goes on. No discrimination, unless in certain circumstances. Do not harm others unless neccesary. Don't give out information of fellow R.A.R.E. members, and be careful who you trust with your own information. R.A.R.E. stands for rising anarchistic revolutionaries de ernesto. It is simply metaphorical. I use anarchistic in a metaphoric way meaning there is no governing rule, it is always changing as the world changes, but keeps its basic fundamentals. de Ernesto meaning Ernest "Che" Guevara, but solely bacause myself and the two other people who started R.A.R.E. with me admired Che. It doesn't mean that all have to idolize him. And no, R.A.R.E. doesn't follow a specific guideline of thinking, but most of its members all agree so far, on how things should be run. R.A.R.E. will go public soon hopefully, because I am working on making a clothes line named R.A.R.E., in which I will use many of the members' and my own tagging. All members will be allowed to send in suggestions. It is an expression of self that shows our rage at the injustices in the world. With the money from the clothes line, I will start smaller businesses, and use the income from those, to make different charities and later on a worker's union. These are all plans I hope to accomplish soon, and having more members might really help.

[Red October]

why should poltical graffiti be labelled? labelling it with a name sort of seems like you're just doing it to get notoriety. why not just keep it anonymous? giving it a name just makes it easier for cops to track you down.

anyway, do you have examples of your work? and what area of the country are you in? if you're anywhere near north carolina, hit me up.

[BlakSheep]

[/QUOTE]"why should poltical graffiti be labelled? labelling it with a name sort of seems like you're just doing it to get notoriety. why not just keep it anonymous? giving it a name just makes it easier for cops to track you down."

If everyone is scattered and tag messages of injustices, it is just considered graffiti or vandalism. When it is together and organized, it is a clear movement made by many people who obviously agree on one thing. It is easier to chang things and spread awareness, if many focus on one goal. And as for being able to be tracked down by cops, that is why I state not to send any personal information. The only person who can really be tied to it is me when I go public, and people connect the business I am trying to start to help others, with the tagging "organization" that tags a message of intolerance for corruption. And I can't tell anyone anything, because I myself don't know anything. I don't know the true information of anyone ( with the exception of the few who I work with personally on this). No I don't have samples of my work, I'm working on being able to put them on my site now. I don't have a way to put them on the computer. I might scan them, but I need to get a cord for my scanner. And as for what part of the country I'm in, Texas, but not by birth. If I ever do go to NC, I will look you up.

[Red October]

do you do stencil or freehand?

[BlakSheep]

I'm not so good at free hand, so I stencil.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 07:05 pm
I'm not so good at free hand, so I stencil.
yeah, all i can do freehand is basic lettering, nothing fancy. stenciling is better for complex images anyway.

[BlakSheep]

Yeah. Whats your tagging name? Oh, and I like your quote.

[Red October]

i dont have one. i do my stuff anonymously.

[Fawkes]

I prefer free-hand over stenciling personally.

[BlakSheep]

Yeah, most of the people I used to tag with did free hand. So are any of you interested?

[Red October]

im currently trying to get a tagging crew together in my town. but yeah, im interested.

[BlakSheep]

Email me. There is the little pledge I wrote about. Not a contract of course, just a little self pledge. If you do get your own tagging crew together, would you have it with R.A.R.E.?

[Fawkes]

I may possibly be interested.

[BlakSheep]

Really? Thats great email me and we can talk about it.

[Organic Revolution]

be MAD careful with this, i was in jail for a little this summer for political graffiting with a crew... the crew help them track you down... you don't want 18 felonies like i got.

[razboz]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 05:57 am
be MAD careful with this, i was in jail for a little this summer for political graffiting with a crew... the crew help them track you down... you don't want 18 felonies like i got.
WTF :blink:

What kind of crew were you painting with?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Big Manifesto+February 22, 2007 04:56 am--> (Big Manifesto @ February 22, 2007 04:56 am) thanks for the advice, i'll try it out when i got my cans [/b]
Also, wear a hoody that conceals your face well.


blacksheep
No discrimination, unless in certain circumstances.

What circumstances?

[Red October]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 12:57 am
be MAD careful with this, i was in jail for a little this summer for political graffiting with a crew... the crew help them track you down... you don't want 18 felonies like i got.
yeah, thats why i dont think its a great idea to label political graffiti. once the pigs cann assign a name to graffiti they find, they can see patterns, methods, etc and ascribe them all to one group. then once they find one member, the whole crew usually goes down. i dont have a problem with painting in a crew, but leaving behind what is pretty much a business card doesnt seem too bright.

[BlakSheep]

That is why I don't want any personal information. Also why I don't tag in one place. I go wide range. I give the same advice to others. Don't make patterns. Stay free.

[Dante666]

me and my friend just started getting up we are not really a crew though because we just are toys who barely know what we are doing though we follow a code of basic graffiti ethics only hit big corporations or the houses of people that own them. I'm interested in this though and I might or might not join.

[Idola Mentis]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 22, 2007 08:44 pm
yeah, thats why i dont think its a great idea to label political graffiti. once the pigs cann assign a name to graffiti they find, they can see patterns, methods, etc and ascribe them all to one group. then once they find one member, the whole crew usually goes down. i dont have a problem with painting in a crew, but leaving behind what is pretty much a business card doesnt seem too bright.
Use stencils, make them *widely* available anonymously. Try to use stencils which already has wide exposure, and keep an eye out for any of yours being used. Prefer those. Then you can sign the stencils without having the sig or design being attached to you in specific. If the design isn't specific to you and in the public domain, they can only get you for one count, if caught in the act, with no crew links. Safety in numbers. Could work with tags and grafitti too, but I've never worked with cans freehand - don't know how much of your personal line shines trough, or if that would hold up as evidence anywhere.

While there's lots of stencil sites, I've yet to see a real "stencil exchange", with use counters. Would be too much of liability without operators who knew their security, I guess.

[Fawkes]

don't know how much of your personal line shines trough
No matter how similar to your known work it looks, I doubt they'd be able to get you for that unless the actual subject matter is similar or the same to work by you known by them.

[Idola Mentis]

Depends somewhat on the legal system, I guess. It's amazing what kind of "sakkyndig" (case expertise?) they'll drag into a norwegian court. I wouldn't put it beyond some overzealous advocate trying to drag a professional artist in to witness for the prosecution :)

They do get you based on the tag itself - text and design - here. Of course, if you could claim that it was an "open source" tag...

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 12:31 pm
That is why I don't want any personal information. Also why I don't tag in one place. I go wide range. I give the same advice to others. Don't make patterns. Stay free.
I hit all over chicago, and they had federal investigators chasing me down tracking all of my art, and i got caught. keep ourself and your writing free, if you are going to do,politically motivated graffiti dont leave behind you tag.

[Red October]

how long did it take them to catch you? and what sort of punishment did you get?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by black rose+February 22, 2007 10:02 pm--> (black rose @ February 22, 2007 10:02 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected]
No discrimination, unless in certain circumstances.

What circumstances? [/b]
blacksheep, could you please clarify what you've said?



Idola Mentis
While there's lots of stencil sites, I've yet to see a real "stencil exchange", with use counters. Would be too much of liability without operators who knew their security, I guess.

Seen the RL stencil database?

http://stencil.redapollo.org/

[BlakSheep]

When I said " No discrimination, except in certain circumstances" I personally meant not aiding people who are racist, facsist, etc... but everyone's experience in life is different. Some people might discriminate in circumstances that only pertain to there life. It is simply advice, not a rule. Although some might say that you should help all, no matter who they are, from my personal experience, I disagree.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by blaksheep
Some people might discriminate in circumstances that only pertain to there life.

Example?

I dont understand what you're saying here (i understand the rest of your post).

[Red October]

Originally posted by black rose+February 28, 2007 03:17 am--> (black rose @ February 28, 2007 03:17 am)
blaksheep
Some people might discriminate in circumstances that only pertain to there life.

Example?

I dont understand what you're saying here (i understand the rest of your post). [/b]
maybe he means something like not allowing someone in a wheelchair or crutches to go on a tagging mission?

[Idola Mentis]

Seen the RL stencil database?

Yep, but haven't signed up. What I was thinking of was something like that, but with a counter for actual applications of each stencil, maybe even photos.

...or am I missing out on some hidden awesomeness by not being logged in?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Idola [email protected] 01, 2007 09:46 pm

Seen the RL stencil database?

Yep, but haven't signed up. What I was thinking of was something like that, but with a counter for actual applications of each stencil, maybe even photos.

...or am I missing out on some hidden awesomeness by not being logged in?
There's no counter, but each registered member can start a 'photo album' where you can post photos of your stencils :)

[Rollo]

I'm not much of a spray and run illegal graffiti tagger, I usually do large murals on private property with permission. The problem with that is most of the stuff is really out of the way and nobody sees it :(.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 21, 2007 04:26 pm
if you're just starting to tag, go for small stuff first. and look for nice areas that have foot traffic during the day, but none at night and preferably no cameras. then you can do whatever you want and leave and never get caught.
I started with paint markers and sharpies at like, parks or bathroom stalls. Especially bathroom stalls because there's no cameras or anything like that, you just have lots of time to perfect it and it could help out your skills.

Then once I learned how to put down a really good tag as fast as possible, I moved on to bigger stuff with the paint markers (dropped the sharpies) and then eventually I did simple tags with spraypaint (just writing a simple tag with your tagname and all) which helps you practice speed with spraypaint and not getting paint on your fingers, which happens alot when you first start. Then you can finally start doing pieces and stuff. 3 a.m. is strangely the very best time to tag, almost every person in your area is bound to be deeply asleep.

My name is "PMS" (yes, as in a woman's period) and if you live in NJ or NYC you might see alot of my work. Especially on the NJ turnpike, some of my better stuff is there, but it may be hard to see. And my crew is "SAU" (serious art unit) and we have group tags that are really, really good that say SAU and then a small tag of each member. We're mainly in Newark, NJ and the surrounding towns (Jersey City, Union City, and our base, Bayonne) but we did the back of a billboard on St. Mark's Place in NYC.

If you ever see PMS or SAU, pm me, lol. I love to hear peoples opinions.

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 12:37 am
I'm not much of a spray and run illegal graffiti tagger, I usually do large murals on private property with permission. The problem with that is most of the stuff is really out of the way and nobody sees it :(.
Eh, well, most muralists do it for themselves more than anybody else. Taggers are artists as well, but there shit is public. Some taggers (like the world-famous BANKSY) have done murals on public shit, and that's LEGENDARY skills, if you ask me.

[bcbm]

Posting your tag name and where to find it on a public area with something that can probably be associated with you, or at least make you easier to find, is universally stupid man...

[Never Give In]

Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 11, 2007 06:12 pm
Posting your tag name and where to find it on a public area with something that can probably be associated with you, or at least make you easier to find, is universally stupid man...
No information on this website links any of my posts to me, if say, a cop read this. And I've never been caught, so my name isn't linked to me anyway. I'm safe, trsut me.

[Iron]

Originally posted by (A)//(E)+August 12, 2007 03:03 am--> ((A)//(E) @ August 12, 2007 03:03 am)
black coffee black [email protected] 11, 2007 06:12 pm
Posting your tag name and where to find it on a public area with something that can probably be associated with you, or at least make you easier to find, is universally stupid man...
No information on this website links any of my posts to me, if say, a cop read this. And I've never been caught, so my name isn't linked to me anyway. I'm safe, trsut me.[/b]
Though your posting from an IP that can be directly linked to you and posting info linking you to your art activities. <_<

[Never Give In]

If you guys really believe my last few posts to be unsafe then trash them or something, I guess. I&#39;m not really scared, but that&#39;s just how I am. Whatever.

[Iron]

Originally posted by (A)//(E)@August 12, 2007 05:20 am
If you guys really believe my last few posts to be unsafe then trash them or something, I guess. I&#39;m not really scared, but that&#39;s just how I am. Whatever.
its not a matter of fear, its a just a warning comrade.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Iron+August 12, 2007 04:29 pm--> (Iron @ August 12, 2007 04:29 pm)
(A)//(E)@August 12, 2007 05:20 am
If you guys really believe my last few posts to be unsafe then trash them or something, I guess. I&#39;m not really scared, but that&#39;s just how I am. Whatever.
its not a matter of fear, its a just a warning comrade. [/b]
Exactly. It&#39;s not like SWAT is gonna raid your house and shut down Revleft, but it&#39;s still not a good idea to put specifics like that up on the net. Though people do it all the time on graffiti forums, so I don&#39;t know how dangerous it actually is.

[midnight marauder]

I don&#39;t know anyone who&#39;s been caught on a graffiti forum for as much information as A/E has given.

[BlakSheep]

Hey still looking for members for R.A.R.E. although Ive gotten two through revleft Im lookin for more. Been practicing and practicing and Im good at freehand now(speculation). While Ive linked myself to my crew, not many people know my writing name( no its not BlakSheep, although it used to be). Im tryin to make a site now for the crew, kinda like revleft but for taggers , mostly those who are with me. Im gettin help through some hacker connections on the programming and stuff cuz I cant do it myself(although I used to know language, I forgot) Im more of a hands on builder than a programmer. Ive gotten myself a blog so when the site is done Ill link it in my blog or post about it here. blaksheep-rare.blogspot.com If anyones interested pm or email me, Im a usual blogger so Im on the web most of the time(unless Im meditating Uhmmmm.....)

[Jude]

Well, im in Buffalo, NY, so i can&#39;t really get to texas at 3 in the morning, at get back in time for school... although i did get to a concert on ohio on the weekend once while i was (on a "field trip" with my "spanish class" to the "latin american institute")... if there is anyone in Buffalo, Niagara falls, or that area, maybe we can do a mural together?

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 03:35 pm
Well, im in Buffalo, NY, so i can&#39;t really get to texas at 3 in the morning, at get back in time for school... although i did get to a concert on ohio on the weekend once while i was (on a "field trip" with my "spanish class" to the "latin american institute")... if there is anyone in Buffalo, Niagara falls, or that area, maybe we can do a mural together?
If we plan it a good two weeks ahead I can get out there.

[bezdomni]

why are we talking about texas here?

I live there (for a few more days).

[BlakSheep]

Thats the thing, RARE is a crew of people all over the place, we&#39;ve got me in TX, someone in Connecticut, someone in North Carolina, and someone in New York. Rybin, you can be a member from New York. We&#39;re all spread out. If you&#39;re interested tell me.

why are we talking about texas here?

I live there (for a few more days).
Were talking about TX cause thats where I am.

[bezdomni]

oh. where in texas?

(have I asked this already?).

[BlakSheep]

Well Im in Dallas, where are you and for how long? Are you interested?

[BlakSheep]

Well, im in Buffalo, NY, so i can&#39;t really get to texas at 3 in the morning, at get back in time for school... although i did get to a concert on ohio on the weekend once while i was (on a "field trip" with my "spanish class" to the "latin american institute")... if there is anyone in Buffalo, Niagara falls, or that area, maybe we can do a mural together?

Well that doesn&#39;t matter cause you tag where ever you are, like Scribe is a member and hes all the way in NY too. So its ok, whats important is that we are united, when we all strive for the same goal one at a time, instead of everyone fights for their own cause, we are much more capable of achieving them. If you&#39;re interested tell me.