Am I Putting Myself In Danger

[Kaelin]

I live in England but I agree with the cause of Irish Republicanism and technically also the armed struggle so I joined the IRSP or the Irish Republican Socialist Party. It is known to have links with the Irish National Liberation Army, an IRA offshoot, but I didn't realise by asking for membership that I might be in some danger. What do you think the chances are of someone from the IRSP coming to England, finding where i live (I gave my real name...) and then shooting me or harming those I know? Should I pull out of membership now or continue anyway? I've just become pretty worried... :(

[Hate Is Art]

Why would Provos or any other pro-republican organisation harm you if you agree with their cause?

[Whitten]

Why would the IRSA kill you for joining them? You'd be more at risk from the British authorities.

[welshred]

Yea the IRSP wouldnt have any resson to kill you unless you gave them one. Does the IRSP engage in terrorist activities? If so then you could be in danger of being under police survelance.

[quirk]

I am a member of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement in Ireland. We have a working relationship with the IRSP, and I can absolutley garantee you that you are worrying about nothing.
Did someone tell you that you have put yourself in danger? If they did there is a good chance they are British intelligence.
If you really believe in Republicanism you should go ahead with your membership, of which you could terminate at any time, for any reason, however I think you should become more informed as you seem to have no idea how these groups really carry out their buisness.

[Hiero]

I doubt they would have a policy "Any new members must be killed".

[Aurora]

I wouldnt say your in any danger.But i do know people who have had death threats from the INLA.

t is known to have links with the Irish National Liberation Army
It dosnt just have links with them,the IRSP is the political wing of the INLA.

[ComradeRed]

What's the lesson to be learned (if you are paranoid)? Never give your real name to anyone!

- Outis

[Seven Stars]

If you think the INLA is an IRA offshoot, then you should not be joining the IRSP.

[Janus]

What do you think the chances are of someone from the IRSP coming to England, finding where i live (I gave my real name...) and then shooting me or harming those I know?
Zero unless you "turned in" your fellow party members which from the looks of it, you aren't able to do.

Also, like ComradeRed said, it's probably not best to join such organizations or give your real name if you really feel that insecure.

[here for the revolution]

m8 i wouldn't worry, the IRA stopped struggling ages ago, the fights over (shame i agree 2). it is sure that the british authorities are watching them but they can't touch you, we hav bigger fings to worry about now.chill out!!

[PRC-UTE]

I've been a member of the IRSP for years and never had a hassle from anyone. I'm not sure what you're afraid of, a chara, but maybe I can help you.

However, I would be wary of Provos as they're now the eyes and ears of the British authorities. We give em the mushroom treatment: keep em in the dark and feed em shite.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:15 am
I live in England but I agree with the cause of Irish Republicanism and technically also the armed struggle so I joined the IRSP or the Irish Republican Socialist Party. It is known to have links with the Irish National Liberation Army, an IRA offshoot, but I didn't realise by asking for membership that I might be in some danger. What do you think the chances are of someone from the IRSP coming to England, finding where i live (I gave my real name...) and then shooting me or harming those I know? Should I pull out of membership now or continue anyway? I've just become pretty worried... :(

It is known to have links with the Irish National Liberation Army, an IRA offshoot

Offshoot? They spent a number of years putting bullets in each other.

[Fawkes]

If you think that they will kill you because you're British, you're wrong, they won't. Also, the INLA is not an offshoot of any of the IRAs.

[chebol]

Also, the INLA is not an offshoot of any of the IRAs.

Well, sure they are - after a fashion. The IRSM (both the INLA and the Irps) was formed in 1974 after Costello and others got jack of the methodology (including, but certainly not limited to, the 1972 ceasefire) of the Stickies (Official IRA) on December 10, 1974.

In their own words:
IRSM (http://www.irsm.org/history/whatis.html)
In some other bastards':
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Socialist_Movement)

[Fawkes]

Well, I suppose if you look at it a certain way it is an offshoot, but the INLA never had any connection with the OIRA or the PIRA except for the fact that they battled over members.

[PRC-UTE]

a large number of IRSP /INLA founders were ex-IRA, but not everyone who fuonded the IRSP was. some came from the left / civil rights movement like Bernadette Devlin-MacAliskey, some were community activists and trade unionists and so on who hadn't been in a political party before.

just to reiterate, you don't have to fear if you're an English person joining. we have leading members who are english and irish protestant and I've stayed with one of them before, sound comrade.

[chebol]

To be sure, the IRSM is a very different kettle of fish to the 'RA's in terms of its make-up and politics.

I was merely pointing out that they were not *entirely* unconnected from the IRA, in one of its forms or another, as the discusion above was beginning to suggest. Fawkes' contribution is another of these. The INLA, was formed alongside the IRSP, by people who were members of OSF and OIRA - not least its leader Seamus Costello. So it DID have a connection - and the extent of that connection rapidly shrunk as the healthy politics of the IRSM emerged.

To be sure as well, many of the members have never been members of an "IRA" - but then, this is as much the case with new members of, say, the Provos.

It is much more useful, if you want to understand why you should or shouldn't join the IRSM, to look at their politics, their relation with working people of catholic, protestant and "other" backgrounds, and their tactics in fighting the politics of injustice and oppression. Simply focusing on whether they have or have not ever "had connections with" (it sounds vaguely dirty) any of the IRAs misses the point.

I agree with PRC-UTE's final comments however.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 12:01 am
I was merely pointing out that they were not *entirely* unconnected from the IRA, in one of its forms or another, as the discusion above was beginning to suggest. Fawkes' contribution is another of these. The INLA, was formed alongside the IRSP, by people who were members of OSF and OIRA - not least its leader Seamus Costello. So it DID have a connection - and the extent of that connection rapidly shrunk as the healthy politics of the IRSM emerged.

Yes, it was primarily a disagreement with the OSF leadership over their drift into reformism and a stagist conception of the liberation struggle.

[chebol]

I said:
"The INLA, was formed alongside the IRSP, by people who were members of OSF and OIRA - not least its leader Seamus Costello. So it DID have a connection - and the extent of that connection rapidly shrunk as the healthy politics of the IRSM emerged."

I should have said, "and the extent of that connection rapidly shrunk as the healthy politics of the IRSM emerged, and the Stickies began using them as target practice"