pure marxism

[sypher]

There have been countries that have used forms of communism. but has there ever been one that was strictly marxist?

[Nateddi]

No country has been communist, no country has been marxist.

[Michael De Panama]

Pure Marxism is an internationalist theory. It substitutes the global capitalist economy with another global economic system.

[RGacky3]

In my opinion pure marxism cannot exist, st least not now it can't.

[man in the red suit]

I agree with Gacky that Marxism CAN NOT exist, however I disagree that it has never existed. Cuba follows strict conservative Marxist policies. well actually nevermind he did make some land reforms so I guess you are all right! lol. Let's face it Marx was kind of an idiot. This does not mean, however, that his work is not significant. He is the founder of a failed economic system. With his failure however, we are more clearly able to witness the negative effects of capitalism and attempt to create our own solution, one more beneficial to the public and more easily applied to our society. As the future approaches, we must seek other means in which to facilitate our bretheren. ha I made that up myself. oh yeah!

[DaNatural]

red suit save your juvenile comments for you and your deliquent friends who think their revolutionaries. Calling Marx an idiot is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. how can something be a failure if it has never been adequately tested? I doubt you have ever read anything by Marx or Engels, hell you probably have only heard from word of mouth. Sit down pick up a book and attempt to understand what great ideas these men put forth. Until then do not disrespect people who have contributed so much. If you weren't so young, which I'm sure you are judging by your comment, I would have suggested banning you for uttering such ignorance.

[man in the red suit]

You are stupid if you follow Marx to the very last sentence he wrote. Of course I have read the mannifesto you idiot! i fucking study the thing. That is besides the point however, It has been adequetly applied many times and has failed. Why don't you pick up a book read you fucking moron! Socialism is good. Communism is good too, to a certain extent, it is easily corruptable however and is hard to exist as a democracy. I apologize if I have insulted Marx. You must obviously wack off to pictures of him in your bed or something because it certainly seems as though you some sort of LOVE for him. We must create a new form of socialism. If Marx was not stupid then he was unprepared. He did not work out all the bugs completely in his economic system. If it hasn't been adequately applied to society yet, then it never will. PLEASE, pull your head out of your ass!

(Edited by man in the red suit at 6:28 am on May 11, 2002)

[man in the red suit]

Don't give me that stupid shit about being "young" and "jouvenile." You are probably no older than I. And if you are, it certainly doesn't show. Whatever "jouvenile"
comments you think I posted, I have also heard from you. And please, I don't think that I'm a revolutionary anymore than you do. I'm just another loser who has nothing better to do than post messages, just like you.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 6:38 am on May 11, 2002)

[Hattori Hanzo]

It's true though- Lenin, Mao, Castro, Guevera- all wnted Marxism in their deepest hearts. None achieved it. Should we even try to establish Marxism?

[man in the red suit]

no it doesn't work. It does not help the people like it was meant to

[peaccenicked]

pure marxism is a nonsense.
The very idea is silly.
First of all Marxism is a method of reaching non dogmatic conclusions, thus it is an open philosophy capable of development and change.
Marx said he was not a Marxist, preferring communist or
scientific socialist as labels.
The nearest marxists should get to purity is simply to be purely without pretensions.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Oh, yeah- Guys, calm down. Don't divide truth.

[man in the red suit]

????? divide truth???? i dont follow

[DaNatural]

mr red suit dont insult yourself or me by saying that we are losers cus we post. I barely post and have only begun since school ended. Regardless thats not the issue even if u posted everyday that doesnt make u a loser. And i apologize for my insiduous comments. And no i dont folow marx to th last word but i believe marx along with engels theories seem to be the most sound. Also no theory is perfect not even marx. And he knew this himsefl. Marx said in all of his studies that the end result will be a mixture of a thesis, then anti thesis molded into a synthesis. HIs ideas are merely a startng point to go off of. Mind you his ideas are incredible.
On another note, the manifesto is a small peice and barely breaks the surface my best advice is to get a karl marx-engels reader. you will learn alot from it and then you will see why i defend his ideas so much. peace

[man in the red suit]

thank u for your apology, i apologize as well, we are not losers. I still don't think Marxism can be applied to modern society though. I carry the mannifesto with me all the time. Id say that gives me some credibility. Oh yes don't forget that I do actually READ the mannifesto as well. I memorized his ten points by heart. so there.
Now let us put this small entanglement behind us and act like mature comrads yes? :)

[oldman]

Castro and Guevara were off to a good start right after the revolution, but unfortunately the U$ pushed them into the arms of Mother Russia

[honest intellectual]

peaccenicked, oldman, excellent points. Marxism is a malleable philosophy, there can be distinct forms of socialism which are equally Marxist

[DaNatural]

Red suit realize that marxism isnt all about the manifesto. The principle of the theory is historical and dialectical materliasm which is noted in many of marx's writings and is beautifully layed out in Engel's "Anti-Duhring" book. Marxism is easily applied to today's society we constantly see that the economy and modes of production determine what our society and our lives turn into. Historical materialism is the most accurate philosophy of our times and i cant stress enough the importance of it, not only today but in the past and undoubtedly it will be useful in the future. peace

[man in the red suit]

realize though that with all of the new inventions and technology, Marxism won't work. There will also be new no incentive to create new inventions because who will fund them? This is the only reason I find Marxism to be very flawed. It is not because Marx was an idiot, it is because he didn't realize what advancements would take place in the future. And no, Marxism does not quite revolve around the manifesto, I have read other works such as the feudalist society and letters written to frederick engels by marx. I still think that Marxism really could not work.

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok, ever think maybe communism failed because marx was never strictly followed? thats my view, we have never had an attempt at creating a society that truly follows the manifesto, they were all variations. marxism is very possible when introduced properly and slowly. i think the key mistakes communist revoltuions have made were: not abolishing currency, leting the government body have power; th government should only serve as an organisational tool for the people that hold the power, continuing with wage labour.

[man in the red suit]

i think that pure marxism has never been applied because they couldn't apply it in the first place. The variations were made right off the bat because they knew that the Marxism wouldn't work. But it is true that it has never been properly tested. Russia came the closest but failed.

[DaNatural]

Redsuit you say that there would be no incentive in a marxist society to create new technologies, how do you then counter the very reality that Cuba has produced and made incredible strides in science in medicine? They have a booming biotech industry that is almost unmatched, say for perhaps the us and britain. Marxism works because it is not as narrow as many people think it to be. his theories work, simply study todays world and you will see that what he noted is very true.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 1:40 am on May 15, 2002
Russia came the closest but failed.


Russia? I think not.

[man in the red suit]

who do u think came closest then mac? i wanna know your opinion.

[RedRevolutionary87]

paris commune my friends, they were the closest and most successful, until they were murdered

[lennon]

You guys ever heard of neo marxism? There are professors in universities right now, basing their work on Marx, but paying attention to some of the flaws of his theory, and adapting them to the present day. They are then applied to Criminology, Epidemiology and Sociology at large.

[Anonymous]

that is a excellent idea. figuring out the bugs.....

[thebigcom]

the purest concept of marx, which is to have a stateless, classless society, has never been truly applied. the idea, while wonderful in theory, is not easily applied. do accomplish such a thing, you would need a leader to create a stable society so that he could then step down as a leader and be a part fo the stateless society. this is simply not in the nature of any human with power. it would take a brilliantly unselfish person, something the world has yet to see.

[Well in doubt]

there will never not be social classes big com. Answer me this if in communism everybody makes the same wage and is equal right. Why would anybody want to be a docter when you get the same thing for pushing a broom.

[thebigcom]

you are just arguing for the sake of arguing now