What Do You Make Of This..

[R_P_A_S]

i got this from a friend.. when we were talking about god and religion!
what do you guys think?

an invention of spirits and gods are all idoltry and is not actually worship to
GOD himself.

magicians and sorcerers are all sinners and their chance into making it into the kingdom of GOD is less than squeezing a camel through the eye of a needle.

kings and pharaohs who worship idoltry gods make GOD angry and those who worship these idoltry gods are sinning all the same.

scientists looking for logical explanations are not as blessed as those who believe without seeing (miracles).

[freakazoid]

scientists looking for logical explanations are not as blessed as those who believe without seeing (miracles).

Where do they get this?

[Rage Against Right]

it sounds like something that the local minister would preach, to me it sounds very christian, that only cause i go to a catholic skool (unfortunatly, not by choice) and it very naive, oppressive and untolerable of other religions. They think their god is the best and you must not ask questions but blindly follow, if this was the case we must blindly follow everyone who tells us to what they say and dont ask questions, its bullshit and stuff like that really makes me mad :angry: God gave human the ability to sin but when they do, he is disappointed wtf! :huh: this God guy is a weirdo :wacko:

[The Feral Underclass]

Don't post religious nonsense in the OI forum, or any forum that isn't Religion.

[freakazoid]

Originally posted by Rage Against [email protected] 19, 2007 02:30 am
it sounds like something that the local minister would preach, to me it sounds very christian, that only cause i go to a catholic skool (unfortunatly, not by choice) and it very naive, oppressive and untolerable of other religions. They think their god is the best and you must not ask questions but blindly follow, if this was the case we must blindly follow everyone who tells us to what they say and dont ask questions, its bullshit and stuff like that really makes me mad :angry: God gave human the ability to sin but when they do, he is disappointed wtf! :huh: this God guy is a weirdo :wacko:
This is sad because this is not what the Bible teaches. You should try reading Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis, http://www.lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt It might help everyone here at this wonderful site gain an understanding at what the Bible really teaches. :D

[Guerrilla22]

I really could care less what the bible teaches, the bible is some made up bullshit.

[freakazoid]

Yeah love sucks, let&#39;s go around hating everybody. That is so much better. <_< Also giving to the poor, not making someone pay interest, property being spread out amongst the people so that no one is needy. Yeah those ideas are just "bullshit".

[Guerrilla22]

Giving to the poor is reformism. With socialism you won&#39;t have poor. The bible teaches hate, which is why christians hate homosexuals so much. Religion also promotes individaulism.

[freakazoid]

Giving to the poor is reformism.

Yeah stupid poor, they don&#39;t need my coat to stay warm, or a bed to sleep on. They can just get a job the lazy bastards. <_<


The bible teaches hate, which is why christians hate homosexuals so much.

I do? Man am I glad that you are here to tell me what it is that I really believe. You should try reading that book that I had suggested.


Religion also promotes individaulism.

??

[Guerrilla22]

Yeah stupid poor, they don&#39;t need my coat to stay warm, or a bed to sleep on. They can just get a job the lazy bastards.

That&#39;s not the point. The point is advocating class struggle is much better than advocating charity, which is not sustainable.


I do? Man am I glad that you are here to tell me what it is that I really believe. You should try reading that book that I had suggested.

Its what most christians believe. Are you going to deny this?


??

read On the Jewish Question

[freakazoid]

which is not sustainable.

But not a bad thing either.


Its what most christians believe. Are you going to deny this?

Yes, most Christians do not hate homosexuals. In fact that goes against what is taught in the Bible. Again I suggest that you read the book that I had posted. It is very good. :D


read On the Jewish Question

Jewish Question?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 12:03 pm

which is not sustainable.

But not a bad thing either.
Actually it is. Giving money to third world countries creates a culture of apathy and perpetuates the &#39;hand-out&#39; myth.



Its what most christians believe. Are you going to deny this?

Yes, most Christians do not hate homosexuals.

No, they don&#39;t &#39;hate&#39; us, they just think we&#39;re sinners who are going to burn in hell.

[freakazoid]

Actually it is. Giving money to third world countries creates a culture of apathy and perpetuates the &#39;hand-out&#39; myth.

Are you saying that it is bad to give a homeless person a place to stay or a coat to wear for when it is cold or something to eat. That we should just say, "Screw you guys, I&#39;m not helping you until AFTER the socialist/communist/anarchist revolution"? How could you say something like that?


No, they don&#39;t &#39;hate&#39; us, they just think we&#39;re sinners who are going to burn in hell.

We do? Huh, I didn&#39;t know that we could make that choice for God.

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 04:54 pm

Actually it is. Giving money to third world countries creates a culture of apathy and perpetuates the &#39;hand-out&#39; myth.

Are you saying that it is bad to give a homeless person a place to stay or a coat to wear for when it is cold or something to eat. That we should just say, "Screw you guys, I&#39;m not helping you until AFTER the socialist/communist/anarchist revolution"? How could you say something like that?


No, they don&#39;t &#39;hate&#39; us, they just think we&#39;re sinners who are going to burn in hell.

We do? Huh, I didn&#39;t know that we could make that choice for God.
Well these Christians seem pretty sure about it... though let me guess, they&#39;re not proper Christians, right? And yet wouldn&#39;t they same about you for not properly following the teachings of the Bible? <_<

http://www.mattszabo.com/God%20Hates%20Fags.jpg
http://www.helloaaron.com/blog/images/godhatesfags.jpg

Also, stop recommending books about what the Bible teaches, nobody gives a fuck, and why would anyone need another book to find out what the Bible teaches? I&#39;m sure we&#39;ve all read the relevant parts, in fact I did AS-Religious studies and for that I had to read various Biblical texts about homosexuality... but allow me another guess - that was all misinterpreted and I should read this fucking book you keep recommending to find out what God really meant? :rolleyes:

[freakazoid]

Well these Christians seem pretty sure about it... though let me guess, they&#39;re not proper Christians, right?

In the words of C.S. Lewis they would be "bad Christians".


And yet wouldn&#39;t they same about you for not properly following the teachings of the Bible? dry.gif

I wouldn&#39;t doubt that they would say that.



Also, stop recommending books about what the Bible teaches, nobody gives a fuck, and why would anyone need another book to find out what the Bible teaches?

Because he knows what he is talking about. And also so you would have a better understanding about what it is that we believe. Do you know who C.S. Lewis is?


I&#39;m sure we&#39;ve all read the relevant parts,

Well at least the parts so you can justify your hatred for people who believe in God, which requires taking things out of context. I had a discussion with MrDoom about this once. But I can not find the link, it appears that everything from before January is now gone, :(

[Comrade J]

Well these Christians seem pretty sure about it... though let me guess, they&#39;re not proper Christians, right?

In the words of C.S. Lewis they would be "bad Christians".

Of course... how dare they follow the teachings of the Bible... bad Christians indeed&#33; :lol:




Also, stop recommending books about what the Bible teaches, nobody gives a fuck, and why would anyone need another book to find out what the Bible teaches?

Because he knows what he is talking about. And also so you would have a better understanding about what it is that we believe. Do you know who C.S. Lewis is?
Of course I know who C.S Lewis is, but why are the words of C.S Lewis more relevant to what Christianity is about than the Bible itself? Did God appoint C.S Lewis as a prophet to clear up all the nasty bits in the Bible that liberal Christians like to ignore?



I&#39;m sure we&#39;ve all read the relevant parts,

Well at least the parts so you can justify your hatred for people who believe in God, which requires taking things out of context. I had a discussion with MrDoom about this once. But I can not find the link, it appears that everything from before January is now gone, :(

I never said I hate people who believe in God, same as I don&#39;t hate people who believe trees can fly, I just think the beliefs are ridiculous. My grandma believed in God, I didn&#39;t hate her. Also, an overwhelming majority of the proletariat is religious/superstitious, if we &#39;hated&#39; religious people then why the fuck would we want to liberate them from oppression?

[freakazoid]

Of course... how dare they follow the teachings of the Bible... bad Christians indeed&#33; laugh.gif

Except that that isn&#39;t what the Bible teaches.


Of course I know who C.S Lewis is, but why are the words of C.S Lewis more relevant to what Christianity is about than the Bible itself? Did God appoint C.S Lewis as a prophet to clear up all the nasty bits in the Bible that liberal Christians like to ignore?

Ok, wasn&#39;t sure if you did or not. He isn&#39;t more relevant than the Bible itself. He just knows what he is talking about. Something else I am not sure if you know about but the book Mere Christianity was originally a group of radio broadcasts that he gave and then turned them into a very good book. I have provided a free link, when you have the time I suggest that you should read it and then you can decide if he knows what he is talking about.


I never said I hate people who believe in God

You might not, it was more of a general statement about what the general attitude here seems. A few even think that after the revolution all religious people should be banned. This was talked about with MrDoom but it seems that those discussions are now gone, :(, otherwise I would provide a link.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 05:54 pm

Actually it is. Giving money to third world countries creates a culture of apathy and perpetuates the &#39;hand-out&#39; myth.

Are you saying that it is bad to give a homeless person a place to stay or a coat to wear for when it is cold or something to eat.
Yes.


That we should just say, "Screw you guys, I&#39;m not helping you until AFTER the socialist/communist/anarchist revolution"? How could you say something like that?

Get off your soap-box. I didn&#39;t mention anything about that, did I?




No, they don&#39;t &#39;hate&#39; us, they just think we&#39;re sinners who are going to burn in hell.

We do? Huh, I didn&#39;t know that we could make that choice for God.

Read that book the bible you keep harping on about.

[freakazoid]

Read that book the bible you keep harping on about.

I have, infact I have read every page in it. You might want to read it and also that book that I had mentioned that way you have a grasp on what it says.


Get off your soap-box. I didn&#39;t mention anything about that, did I?


Yes.

How do you propose we help them? How can you say that we shouldn&#39;t gice them a coat to keep warm?

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:16 pm
I have, infact I have read every page in it.
Then I suggest you re-read it, ;).

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 05:55 am
Yeah love sucks, let&#39;s go around hating everybody. That is so much better. <_< Also giving to the poor, not making someone pay interest, property being spread out amongst the people so that no one is needy. Yeah those ideas are just "bullshit".
Yea, let&#39;s not forget teaching that women come from the rib of a man, and should be in total subservience to man, and a wife should obey her husband no matter what, and that we (homosexuals), are sexual deviant sinners that will burn eternally for our sins, and that we should always obey the laws of the land and the masters, because god has placed the masters and despots to their titles in his infinite wisdom, and how eating shellfish is a sin, and other such bullshit.

Don&#39;t cherry pick, and only talk about the good stuff, ;) .

[Bright Banana Beard]

Just to say this, nobody know everything or interrupt the bible perfectly, not even me. Most of the time, the misinterrupted are the cause why the world fucked up today. I bet God knew this will happen and there will never be a perfect government on Earth. Just simple follow the 10 commandent, if sin, your sentence are death unless u ask god for forgiveness. sry for misunderstanding, I just need to go to sleep.

[MrDoom]

eating shellfish is a sin
WTF&#33;

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by MrDoom+February 19, 2007 11:55 pm--> (MrDoom &#064; February 19, 2007 11:55 pm)
eating shellfish is a sin
WTF&#33; [/b]

Leviticus 11:10&#045;12
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

No joke, god isn&#39;t a fan of the shrimp, :P .

http://godhatesshrimp.com/

[MrDoom]

I bet God knew this will happen and there will never be a perfect government on Earth.

Because a feudal totalitarian kingdom in the sky is much better. :lol:

And IF he knew what was going to happen, then he is the source of all evil; it would be critical to our freedom to ally with Satan and overthrow God.


Just simple follow the 10 commandent, if sin, your sentence are death unless u ask god for forgiveness.

So let me get this straight...


I am your God
Awfully dictorial, no? Just marching in and saying, "I am your God whether you like it or not&#33;"


You shall have no other gods before Me
And he&#39;s a jealous dictator...


You shall not make for yourself an idol
And a faceless one whom you wouldn&#39;t recognize in the street yet is always watching and has total control over your actions...


You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
So you&#39;d kill someone if they said "Jeez"? Outright murder.


Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Yeah, we know that God kills people who work on Sunday (or, Saturday, rather).


Honor your parents
So you would kill a kid who doesn&#39;t like his parents?


You shall not murder
But people murder others in the name of God all the time.


You shall not commit adultery
So women are property to be protected by property rights...


You shall not steal
What if stealing is the right thing to do?


You shall not bear false witness
What if lying is the right thing to do?


You shall not covet your neighbor&#39;s wife
You shall not covet your neighbor&#39;s house...
More of this property protection...

How many people would you kill in the end anyways? <_<

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 05:38 pm

Of course... how dare they follow the teachings of the Bible... bad Christians indeed&#33; laugh.gif
Except that that isn&#39;t what the Bible teaches.
Why do you keep insisting that the Bible does not preach intolerance towards homosexuals? Are you just trying to pretend those bits of the Bible aren&#39;t there because they don&#39;t jive with your personal opinions? Leviticus 20:13 is very clear on this: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." These are direct orders from God to Moses, just like the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20) and that chapter right after the Ten Commandments that says it&#39;s okay to sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21).

You have two choices here:

1) Ignore this commandment from Yahweh, in which case, what justification is there for following any of the other commandments in the Old Testament? If you consider some of Yahweh&#39;s commandments hateful and immoral, then he clearly cannot be a perfect moral being, and the whole concept of the Bible as a reliable source of morality goes out the window (and so does the entire foundation of Judeo-Christianity). On the other hand, if Yahweh doesn&#39;t really want homosexuals to be killed, and the Bible is simply lying about it, then the book still cannot be a reliable source of moral truth since it has proven itself incapable of correctly communicating Yahweh&#39;s morals.

2) Follow this commandment and promote the murder of homosexual men.

Which is it? Do you believe that the Bible is a reliable source of morals, or do you believe that it is immoral to kill men for having sex with other men?

EDIT: This is my 420th post. Wooooo&#33; Time to smoke a bowl&#33;

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 03:54 am
Just to say this, nobody know everything or interrupt the bible perfectly, not even me. Most of the time, the misinterrupted are the cause why the world fucked up today. I bet God knew this will happen and there will never be a perfect government on Earth. Just simple follow the 10 commandent, if sin, your sentence are death unless u ask god for forgiveness. sry for misunderstanding, I just need to go to sleep.
Damnit, where do all these theist keep coming from?

[Bright Banana Beard]

Mr. Doom, don&#39;t think I into the mainstream of Christianity. Uh-uh fuck that, they not a good place for me, you know well about it. I don&#39;t support them because they trying to achieve unbelievable shit in the bible into this hell world. Maybe Satan or God control science to disproved god, but we don&#39;t know. So I wondering, how come empty, timeless, spaceless, can create a thing? I think that question must be beyond our 5 physical sense since it is not perfect. I just think Bible is just a another myth book, just don&#39;t take it too seriously on that book on me. :) I just trying to not to sin and not to fight for myself, but for peace and humanity.

[Question everything]

just don&#39;t take it too seriously on that book on me. I just trying to not to sin and not to fight for myself, but for peace and humanity.

Soo true Kabrino


Why do you keep insisting that the Bible does not preach intolerance towards homosexuals?

Hope you&#39;re happy between you and my religion teacher I&#39;m slowly becoming an atheist :P .


Because a feudal totalitarian kingdom in the sky is much better.
Sounds like an awesome place to spend eternity :D let&#39;s get packing&#33;&#33;&#33;


And he&#39;s a jealous dictator...

And you&#39;re an obnoxious Arsehole...



(Leviticus 11:10-12)
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.



No joke, god isn&#39;t a fan of the shrimp, .


Or swimming by the sound of it


How do you propose we help them? How can you say that we shouldn&#39;t gice them a coat to keep warm?

I don&#39;t see the difference between giving them you&#39;re extra coat and fighting with them so that they can have there own coat.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Cryotank Screams+February 19, 2007 10:59 pm--> (Cryotank Screams @ February 19, 2007 10:59 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 11:55 pm

eating shellfish is a sin
WTF&#33;

Leviticus 11:10&#045;12
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

No joke, god isn&#39;t a fan of the shrimp, :P .

http://godhatesshrimp.com/ [/b]
dude levitican law has nothing to do with modern christianity.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by Comrade J+February 19, 2007 12:13 pm--> (Comrade J @ February 19, 2007 12:13 pm)
[email protected] 19, 2007 04:54 pm

Actually it is. Giving money to third world countries creates a culture of apathy and perpetuates the &#39;hand-out&#39; myth.

Are you saying that it is bad to give a homeless person a place to stay or a coat to wear for when it is cold or something to eat. That we should just say, "Screw you guys, I&#39;m not helping you until AFTER the socialist/communist/anarchist revolution"? How could you say something like that?


No, they don&#39;t &#39;hate&#39; us, they just think we&#39;re sinners who are going to burn in hell.

We do? Huh, I didn&#39;t know that we could make that choice for God.
Well these Christians seem pretty sure about it... though let me guess, they&#39;re not proper Christians, right? And yet wouldn&#39;t they same about you for not properly following the teachings of the Bible? <_<

http://www.mattszabo.com/God%20Hates%20Fags.jpg
http://www.helloaaron.com/blog/images/godhatesfags.jpg

Also, stop recommending books about what the Bible teaches, nobody gives a fuck, and why would anyone need another book to find out what the Bible teaches? I&#39;m sure we&#39;ve all read the relevant parts, in fact I did AS-Religious studies and for that I had to read various Biblical texts about homosexuality... but allow me another guess - that was all misinterpreted and I should read this fucking book you keep recommending to find out what God really meant? :rolleyes: [/b]
you must not live in the states. everyone and their uncle think these guys are insane.

[Question everything]

accually one kid in the states got extra credit for harrassing Gays :huh: walking outside of a funeral of someone who died of AIDS, holding a sign saying "death to Fags" :angry: