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Guerrilla22
18th February 2007, 05:00
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer
Sat Feb 17, 12:57 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration remains hopeful that the death of Fidel Castro will unleash grass-roots pressure among Cubans for democratic change — but many analysts see little threat to the regime under the thus-far seamless succession of brother Raul.

As U.S. officials see it, the seismic political event for Cuba has yet to come.

"We don't feel that we've lost an important moment, because quite frankly, we don't see any significant possibility of change of any kind until Fidel is gone," Tom Shannon, the top State Department aide for Latin America, says.

Intestinal surgery last July led to the transfer of power from Fidel, 80, to Raul, 75. U.S. intelligence agencies do not expect the elder Castro to live long but his two brothers, Raul and Ramon, insist he is recovering.

U.S. presidents have been waiting for decades for Fidel to die and to take his communist project to his grave. President Bush, who has especially close ties to the anti-Castro Cuban-American community, has tried to hasten a democratic transition by tightening the embargo against the island.

But many observers say the post-Fidel era has begun — with Raul Castro clearly in control.

Lt. Gen. Michael Maples, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said last month that Raul Castro has the "widespread respect and support" of military commanders, whose backing he believes will be crucial in the succession process.

He said Raul Castro should be able to fend off any move to depose him "at least for the short term."

Brian Latell, a former top Cuba analyst at the CIA, agrees and says Raul Castro has been acting more boldly than expected, encouraging debate among Cubans and calling on university students to "fearlessly" discuss the country's problems.

A majority of people in the U.S., 54 percent, said it is unlikely that Fidel Castro's regime will be replaced with a democracy once he is gone, according to an AP-Ipsos poll taken a couple of weeks ago.

There is little evidence of pro-democracy ferment in Cuba. The answer to whether that reflects fear or contentment on the island depends on whom one asks. One visible indication of unrest is the single word that appears on occasional street signs: "Cambio" ("Change").

Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (news, bio, voting record), a Cuban-born Florida Republican, says the calm under Raul is illusory.

"The regime of Fidel Castro is not viable without Fidel Castro," he says. "A transition to democracy in Cuba is inevitable, but Fidel Castro needs to die for the future of Cuba to begin."

Frank Calzon, executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba, says there will be "an explosion of expectations" among Cubans for a better life once Fidel dies. As the regime "is unable to meet these aspirations, the likelihood of instability will increase."

But Wayne Smith, a former diplomat and an advocate of resuming ties with Cuba, sees continuity in Havana under Raul Castro.

Myles Frechette, once dismissed by Cuba as a "troglodyte" in his days as a U.S. diplomat, offers the same assessment. Raul, he says, possesses the necessary "ruthlessness" to put down would-be foes.

The administration has elaborate plans for food deliveries to Cuba and other emergency relief in the event of unrest. Plans also are in place to counter possible mass migration from Cuba. A full-scale exercise, replete with role-playing by mock migrants landing on U.S. shores, is set for south Florida next month.

A key element of the administration's regime change strategy is to deny resources to Cuba through travel restrictions and other measures. A presidential report issued three weeks before Castro fell ill says, "The more financially stressed the system is, the more difficult it will be for any leader who follows Fidel Castro to preside over a succession within the dictatorship."

But Raul Castro's ability to retain control has been bolstered by steep discounts on oil sales to Cuba by Venezuela's pro-Castro President Hugo Chavez. The annual savings for Cuba, according to U.S. estimates: $800 million. Julia Sweig of the Council on Foreign Relations says the handoff from Fidel to Raul has been "notably smooth and stable — not one violent episode in Cuban streets."

The Bush administration is disappointed that Latin American democracies have not been pressing for democratic change in Cuba. Many apparently are reluctant to be seen as doing U.S. bidding. Cuba has also fostered good relations with hemispheric neighbors by sending countless doctors to work in underserved communities.

Cuba, meanwhile, is keeping a wary eye on Florida-based exile groups. Officials warn of an attempt by Miami Cubans to reclaim the homes they left behind, forcing current occupants into the street.

They are also on guard against a possible power grab by what it sees as an "annexationist" U.S. administration. Bush has said, though, that any new leadership for Cuba should come from within the island, not from south Florida.

The Anarchist Prince
18th February 2007, 05:03
WHY does the US fear Communism so much? I have yet to see what is so amazingly wonderful about our so called "democracy".

Fawkes
18th February 2007, 05:06
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 18, 2007 12:03 am
WHY does the US fear Communism so much? I have yet to see what is so amazingly wonderful about our so called "democracy".
Because communism is the antithesis of capitalism and it seeks it's destruction.

The Anarchist Prince
18th February 2007, 05:31
Originally posted by Fawkes+February 18, 2007 12:06 am--> (Fawkes @ February 18, 2007 12:06 am)
The Anarchist [email protected] 18, 2007 12:03 am
WHY does the US fear Communism so much? I have yet to see what is so amazingly wonderful about our so called "democracy".
Because communism is the antithesis of capitalism and it seeks it's destruction. [/b]
So trading with China is okay? (I know they aren't "true" communism, more authoritarian/socialist) I think the main thing is, The US hates Fidel.

Severian
18th February 2007, 05:43
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17, 2007 11:31 pm
So trading with China is okay? (I know they aren't "true" communism, more authoritarian/socialist) I think the main thing is, The US hates Fidel.
China's a profitable arena of investment - though Washington would like it to become more open.

They hate what Fidel symbolizes.

Anyway, they've been going on about "when Fidel dies" for decades, and have now been proven wrong. The leadership transition has already occurred. Fidel's retired. Why would something else happen when he dies?

It's bizarre that they still won't admit they've been proven wrong....

Janus
18th February 2007, 06:27
Cuba may become a bit more "democratic" after Fidel's death (i.e. become more friendly towards the US) but I won't bet on any grassroots change until the old guard is entirely gone.

Nothing Human Is Alien
18th February 2007, 09:00
Sorry, people like Felipe Perez Roque and others are about half the age of most of the revolutionaries that fought in the Sierra, and insure there will be a smooth transition. The biggest threat to Cuba is opportunists in the (small, but existing) bureaucracy. Luckily there are many ways for the people of Cuba to prevent them from grabbing power.

On the article, it's funny how they admit that there is very little "pro-democracy" (i.e. pro-imperialist, anti-communist) dissention on the island.. though they do it in a backhanded way. It can't be because the Cuban people don't want "democracy;" it has to be that they're too scared to fight for it.

phoenixoftime
18th February 2007, 11:27
Fidel's retired.

Really? He's being briefed on matters of top importance and giving advice to Raul & Co., so are you so sure? If he makes a full recovery do you expect him to still hand over control?

Karl Marx's Camel
18th February 2007, 11:32
Sorry, people like Felipe Perez Roque and others are about half the age of most of the revolutionaries that fought in the Sierra, and insure there will be a smooth transition.

If Cuba was socialist, there would not even be talk of "insuring a smooth transition", and there would be no leader ruling a socialist country for half a decade, from his 30's until his 80's. :rolleyes:


WHY does the US fear Communism so much?

This has little to do with "Communism", but Cuba being inside "the U.S.'s sphere of influence". It provides an example that nations geographically and politically speaking close to the U.S. can detach themselves from the hegemony.

UndergroundConnexion
18th February 2007, 11:55
the main reason why the US is putting sticks in the wheels of Cuba, is because they fear that Cuba will set the example for other Latin American countries, and that these countries would then not be under US control

here for the revolution
18th February 2007, 17:13
to be honest I think that as soon as Fidel dies the US will just rush in and take over, they don't really care what happens to Cuba so long as they can have a piece of it

Fawkes
18th February 2007, 17:16
Originally posted by here for the [email protected] 18, 2007 12:13 pm
to be honest I think that as soon as Fidel dies the US will just rush in and take over, they don't really care what happens to Cuba so long as they can have a piece of it
It's a possibility, though I doubt they would do an outright "take over" unless they faked some attack on the U.S. by Cuba. I think they will more likely try to sabotage the Cuban government because it will be in a very vulnerable position following Fidel's death.

Guerrilla22
18th February 2007, 23:20
Cuba, meanwhile, is keeping a wary eye on Florida-based exile groups. Officials warn of an attempt by Miami Cubans to reclaim the homes they left behind, forcing current occupants into the street.

It just goes to show, the "exiles" in Miami are more concerned with reclaiming their wealth than anyhting else.

Fodman
20th February 2007, 11:30
the US hates Castro because he rules a country just 90 miles from mainland America that opposes free market capitalism - and he has continuously avoided there numerous assassination attempts

i know a right-winger that went to Cuba for a holiday and found out that yes, Castro is a dictator, however he has many regional ministers that are elected - I suppose Castro is only there as supreme leader in order to maintain the socialism on the island

Karl Marx's Camel
20th February 2007, 13:59
I suppose Castro is only there as supreme leader in order to maintain the socialism on the island

A single man cannot maintain socialism. That is not "socialism". Socialism can only be "maintained" by a class conscious people.

ie Cuba is not socialist,

Nothing Human Is Alien
20th February 2007, 14:32
Yeah, if people elect a president, there's no way their society can be socialist. It's out of the question.

Nevermind things like which class controls the means of production, who plans distribution, in whose interest society operates, etc. It's all about the president.

:lol:

perokatulin
21st February 2007, 02:22
Shouldn't it be Cuba hoping the U.S. becomes more democratic once Bush is gone?

Fawkes
21st February 2007, 02:27
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 09:22 pm
Shouldn't it be Cuba hoping the U.S. becomes more democratic once Bush is gone?
Well, I'm sure they are hoping that.

Lenin's Law
21st February 2007, 22:33
Originally posted by The Anarchist Prince+February 18, 2007 05:31 am--> (The Anarchist Prince @ February 18, 2007 05:31 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 12:06 am

The Anarchist [email protected] 18, 2007 12:03 am
WHY does the US fear Communism so much? I have yet to see what is so amazingly wonderful about our so called "democracy".
Because communism is the antithesis of capitalism and it seeks it's destruction.
So trading with China is okay? (I know they aren't "true" communism, more authoritarian/socialist) I think the main thing is, The US hates Fidel. [/b]
China socialist?!?!? Come on. This is a rather monstrous abuse of the good word. China right now is a very profitable home to multinational corporations, where workers are paid next to nothing, have few rights and are subject to a very repressive government.

Severian is correct when he says that the US hates what Fidel represents: disobedience to the empire and wishes to set an example to it.

1984
22nd February 2007, 05:38
The "freedom" the US has been trying to impose on Cuba (and the rest of the World, to be more correct) for decades is like the name of the drink "Cuba Libre" - ron with Coke - subversively speaks. This should translate to: "To be free = drink Coke, eat at MacDonald's and watch MTV".

<_<

xule
22nd February 2007, 10:35
jesus, americans really are paranoid. not only paranoid but controlling and vicious... they dont want whats best for cuba; they just want another fucking pawn... <_<

xule
22nd February 2007, 10:37
Originally posted by Fawkes+February 21, 2007 02:27 am--> (Fawkes @ February 21, 2007 02:27 am)
[email protected] 20, 2007 09:22 pm
Shouldn&#39;t it be Cuba hoping the U.S. becomes more democratic once Bush is gone?
Well, I&#39;m sure they are hoping that. [/b]
nyaa&#33; yeah. i sure am :D

Lenin II
23rd March 2007, 03:42
Originally posted by Fawkes+February 18, 2007 05:16 pm--> (Fawkes @ February 18, 2007 05:16 pm)
here for the [email protected] 18, 2007 12:13 pm
to be honest I think that as soon as Fidel dies the US will just rush in and take over, they don&#39;t really care what happens to Cuba so long as they can have a piece of it
It&#39;s a possibility, though I doubt they would do an outright "take over" unless they faked some attack on the U.S. by Cuba. I think they will more likely try to sabotage the Cuban government because it will be in a very vulnerable position following Fidel&#39;s death. [/b]
That&#39;s pretty much what has happened before. Iraq? WMDs? It can happen again, first against Arabs, then against Commies. The relgious right&#39;s conservative hick value are ruining the fucking world.

Lenin II
23rd March 2007, 03:50
America hates him because he’s a Commie and government propaganda and religious teaching tells them it’s more holy to have 10-year-old children make your soccer balls in sweatshops across the world than to study Marx. They fear Communism more than anything. A guy who worked for Castro says they’ve tried to kill him like, literally over 300 times, with everything from poisoned cold cream to an exploding cigar. They’ve always wanted Cuba to be the 51st state. Mark my words—the US will take Cuba for itself first chance it gets. We’ll use the same excuse that we did for Iraq—that is, we’ll be greeted as “liberators.”

If the US government gets its way, soon they’ll be drinking Pepsi, eating McDonalds, and watching MTV while wearing Nike shoes standing in the 711 planted on every corner. Funny how they act SO concerned with Cuba’s government, yet I don’t hear them *****ing about Israel’s apartheid or China’s human rights policy. Because those countries benefit the US. When dealing with cappies, you have to ask yourself, “who profits?” It’s always about the goddamn money. They call us godless, &#036;&#036;&#036; is the only god they have.

Hammer-Sickle
23rd March 2007, 04:05
Mr. Bush and his entire administration are nothing but incompitent, overbearing imperialist pigs. The U.S. goverment is PUSHING democracy on everyone even on Mother Russia. The government can&#39;t accept the fact that not every country is like them and they continue their war on Communism and Socialism. They&#39;re simply afraid of the working man rising up to reclaim our right.

CodeAires
23rd March 2007, 14:53
Whatever Cuba wants to do and whatever the people want should be THEIR choice, not the choice of the US. If this country had its way, Cuba would be the 51st state. Many still have that imperialist hangover, seeing that we "used to own" Cuba and we can&#39;t accept the fact that baby grew up and turned against mommy. It&#39;s ridiculous.

Ander
24th March 2007, 18:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 10:53 am
Whatever Cuba wants to do and whatever the people want should be THEIR choice
The choice of the people, not the choice of aging president/dictators. Cuba needs to loosen up and become less authoritarian.

PRC-UTE
24th March 2007, 19:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 11:32 am

Sorry, people like Felipe Perez Roque and others are about half the age of most of the revolutionaries that fought in the Sierra, and insure there will be a smooth transition.

If Cuba was socialist, there would not even be talk of "insuring a smooth transition", and there would be no leader ruling a socialist country for half a decade, from his 30&#39;s until his 80&#39;s. :rolleyes:
It&#39;s becoming increasingly obvious that you don&#39;t know what socialism is. If you think there would be no leadership under socialism, that&#39;s the only conclusion I can draw. These constant strawman attacks on the Cuban Revolution are boring. I strongly suggest you read up on the dictatorship of the proletariat and what that means- communism, a system guided by each according to ability and need without need of a state can&#39;t pop up out of the ground overnight&#33;

Also as Marxists understand it doesn&#39;t matter that Castro is seemingly &#39;ruling&#39; for 50 years, because we examine the mass forces behind that leader.

PRC-UTE
24th March 2007, 19:22
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 01:59 pm

I suppose Castro is only there as supreme leader in order to maintain the socialism on the island

A single man cannot maintain socialism. That is not "socialism". Socialism can only be "maintained" by a class conscious people.

ie Cuba is not socialist,
Empirical evidence has already us the opposite- Fidel isn&#39;t holding up socialism in Cuba, the masses are. His career as leader of the Cuban state has effectively passed on and he is little more than a moral leader at this point.

Only you and the Rightists continue to deny this&#33; :lol:

Angry Young Man
26th March 2007, 18:53
I&#39;m surprised nobody&#39;s turned that phrase on its head:
I&#39;m sure Havana would like to see the US become a little more democratic after Bush dies. HA&#33; Suck on THAT, Dubya&#33;