King of Nepal is stoned by crowd

[Qwerty Dvorak]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6369195.stm?lsm

[Fawkes]

That's awesome. I have to say, this is one of the best thread titles in a while.

[Eleutherios]

Hmm, you'd think the incarnation of Vishnu would be strong enough to fend off an unruly mob armed with rocks.

[Brownfist]

I wish I had been there to get a few stones in too because the King of Nepal is really tight with the Indian hindu-right who look to Nepal for being the only Hindu country in the world.

[Cryotank Screams]

This pisses me off.


The monarch, who was on his way to a pilgrimage site in Kathmandu to attend a Hindu festival, escaped unhurt.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Obviously there is a lot of discontent with the monarchy in Nepal right now. Do you think this could materialize into anything significant? And if so, what could be the potential results?

[The Grey Blur]

Well this has certainly been an issue on revleft before. In my view the Nepalese working class is the only revolutionary force, with the Maoists joining the bourgeois government. In only a few days of protest last year the urban Nepalese were able to achieve what the Maoist insurgency hadn't for a decade, namely the defeat of the Royalty. It is a shame that no mass Bolshevik group has emerged in Nepal, as the anger displayed in these kind of actions is certainly revolutionary in nature.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Well this has certainly been an issue on revleft before. In my view the Nepalese working class is the only revolutionary force, with the Maoists joining the bourgeois government

silly bourgeois child, "no investigation, no right to speak". The Maoists are creating a two front revolution, not joining the bourgeois. They are a proletariat and peasantry based party. There actions have allowed them to acquire a sphere of influence in the urban areas of Nepal.


. In only a few days of protest last year the urban Nepalese were able to achieve what the Maoist insurgency hadn't for a decade, namely the defeat of the Royalty. It is a shame that no mass Bolshevik group has emerged in Nepal, as the anger displayed in these kind of actions is certainly revolutionary in nature.

hey shithead, the maoists were the center of those actions.

[Prairie Fire]

As I've noticed in most articles about Nepal in the bourgois papers, they never want to say the "C" word (communist) when refering to any of the democratic actions int he country (not surprising).

A good rule of thumb: In articles about Nepal in the mainstream (capitalist) press,
phrases like "Pro-Democracy forces" and "Anti-Monarchist forces" are code words
for communist forces.

It must be hard for the bourgie press, trying to cover up the political affiliations of the "pro-democracy" forces, when every picture that comes back from Kathmandu features gigantic crowds, with red flags and hammer and sickles as far as the eye can see. :D

[Question everything]

It must be hard for the bourgie press, trying to cover up the political affiliations of the "pro-democracy" forces, when every picture that comes back from Kathmandu features gigantic crowds, with red flags and hammer and sickles as far as the eye can see.

:lol:


silly bourgeois child, "no investigation, no right to speak". The Maoists are creating a two front revolution, not joining the bourgeois. They are a proletariat and peasantry based party. There actions have allowed them to acquire a sphere of influence in the urban areas of Nepal.

So I presume, Kim Il Jong is the Great Leader, and Bush is in fact... not a chimp?( :lol: )


Well this has certainly been an issue on revleft before. In my view the Nepalese working class is the only revolutionary force, with the Maoists joining the bourgeois government. In only a few days of protest last year the urban Nepalese were able to achieve what the Maoist insurgency hadn't for a decade, namely the defeat of the Royalty. It is a shame that no mass Bolshevik group has emerged in Nepal, as the anger displayed in these kind of actions is certainly revolutionary in nature.

I smell a new North Korea...

[Janus]

This is quite interesting considering the fact that an act such as this would've been unthinkable not too long ago. Hopefully, these kinds of sentiments will lead to the abolishment of the monarchy forever.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

It must be hard for the bourgie press, trying to cover up the political affiliations of the "pro-democracy" forces, when every picture that comes back from Kathmandu features gigantic crowds, with red flags and hammer and sickles as far as the eye can see. biggrin.gif


Some of the media reports describe the Maoist movement as "this seemingly anachronistic movement". <_<

Yeah, call it an anachronistic movement when ragged Indian and Chinese peasants parade through Washington DC. :angry:

[Cheung Mo]

I&#39;m glad he didn&#39;t get hurt or killed. He deserves to die a slow, painful death that rivals anything faced by the old Russian nobility at the hands of the Bolsheviks. Stoning him would have gotten him off too easy.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

He deserves to die a slow, painful death that rivals anything faced by the old Russian nobility at the hands of the Bolsheviks. Stoning him would have gotten him off too easy.

The Tsar and his immediate family were shot.

That&#39;s a fast death too.

(except, well, the little Prince got shot too...which is kind of sad)

[The Grey Blur]

I smell a new North Korea...
In other words, a Communist revolution? Yes, I should hope so.


silly bourgeois child, "no investigation, no right to speak". The Maoists are creating a two front revolution, not joining the bourgeois.
How is joining a bourgeois government revolutionary?


They are a proletariat and peasantry based party. There actions have allowed them to acquire a sphere of influence in the urban areas of Nepal.
The two would seem to contradict each other.


hey shithead, the maoists were the center of those actions.
As far as I know those demonstrations took the Maoists entirely by surprise and they had to bus hundreds of supporters in from the countryside.

[ComradeR]

They should drag that bastard out and hang him Mussolini style.

[bolshevik butcher]

The maoists had the oppertunity to take power in the summer and refused to do so. They now have the oppertunity in this government to destryo the monarchy and as far as I can see they are not doing this. This is the classic fialure of stalinist stageism.

[Cheung Mo]

And like under Stalin, sexual and gender minorities are going to go through just as much Hell if the Maoists are in power as they went through under the Monarchy.

[grove street]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 17, 2007 04:52 am
I&#39;m glad he didn&#39;t get hurt or killed. He deserves to die a slow, painful death that rivals anything faced by the old Russian nobility at the hands of the Bolsheviks. Stoning him would have gotten him off too easy.
Yes because we love to be considered torturing hypocrits <_<

[Cheung Mo]

Any torture and sufering inflicted upon him would be a pittance compared to the oppression suffered by the people of Nepal under his tyrannical regime.

Forget what the Bolsheviks did to the nobility, he needs to suffer at least as much as French nobles did during that revolution.

[grove street]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 17, 2007 02:14 pm
Any torture and sufering inflicted upon him would be a pittance compared to the oppression suffered by the people of Nepal under his tyrannical regime.

Forget what the Bolsheviks did to the nobility, he needs to suffer at least as much as French nobles did during that revolution.
Even so, torture is not right. The king needs to be trialed and punshied according to the customs of Nepal.

[Whitten]

The Maoists would seem to be doing the right thing. They are effectivly in control already, and could force the King and the Bourgeois government out anytime they want. What they have done is taken the time to build up a proletarian uprising, instead of just marching a peasent army into the capital, waving red flags and claiming to represent to proletariat.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Originally posted by grove street+February 17, 2007 02:18 pm--> (grove street @ February 17, 2007 02:18 pm)
Cheung [email protected] 17, 2007 02:14 pm
Any torture and sufering inflicted upon him would be a pittance compared to the oppression suffered by the people of Nepal under his tyrannical regime.

Forget what the Bolsheviks did to the nobility, he needs to suffer at least as much as French nobles did during that revolution.
Even so, torture is not right. The king needs to be trialed and punshied according to the customs of Nepal. [/b]
Well, I&#39;m not really fond of moral superiority when dealing with ruling-class enemies.

Having said that, I kind of...don&#39;t like torturing people. :blush:

[FOREVER LEFT]

I&#39;m reminded by the that sweet story long ago. What was it? David and Goliath.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 16, 2007 05:34 pm
It is a shame that no mass Bolshevik group has emerged in Nepal, as the anger displayed in these kind of actions is certainly revolutionary in nature.
Yes, because a people who have clearly demonstrated the ability to act on their own need gudiance from a non-existant organisation. :rolleyes:

[Whitten]

Originally posted by Hopscotch Anthill+February 17, 2007 09:34 pm--> (Hopscotch Anthill @ February 17, 2007 09:34 pm)
Permanent [email protected] 16, 2007 05:34 pm
It is a shame that no mass Bolshevik group has emerged in Nepal, as the anger displayed in these kind of actions is certainly revolutionary in nature.
Yes, because a people who have clearly demonstrated the ability to act on their own need gudiance from a non-existant organisation. :rolleyes: [/b]
They have demonstrated no such ability. They have demonstrated dissent with the King and his supporters, yet they have not created a revolution.

[Hate Is Art]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 17, 2007 02:14 pm
Any torture and sufering inflicted upon him would be a pittance compared to the oppression suffered by the people of Nepal under his tyrannical regime.

Forget what the Bolsheviks did to the nobility, he needs to suffer at least as much as French nobles did during that revolution.


What? Marxism does not involve class revenge against the bourgeoius we are not going to go around torturing everyone apres the revolution.

[Janus]

The maoists had the oppertunity to take power in the summer and refused to do so.
People seem to overestimate the Maoist&#39;s power. They could&#39;ve continued the war against the interim gov. but that would&#39;ve gotten them no where which is why they decided their best chance was to seek peace. .


They now have the oppertunity in this government to destryo the monarchy and as far as I can see they are not doing this.
The Maoists have always wanted to get rid of the monarchy. In fact, that&#39;s one of the contending issues between them and the other parties. Too bad, that Gyanendra wasn&#39;t actually stoned; that would&#39;ve eliminated any reason to further debate his future.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 09:13 pm
Hmm, you&#39;d think the incarnation of Vishnu would be strong enough to fend off an unruly mob armed with rocks.
Not even devout Hindus (aka most of the Nepali populace) should consider this incompetent fool to be the incarnation of Vishnu.

Anyway, this is just indicative of the way Nepalis feel about this failure of a monarch. It&#39;s a shame that the last King, who stayed out of politics and was good to the people, was murdered by a drunk family member.

[Guerrilla22]

Its really a shame that in this day and age monarchs are still around at all.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 06:06 am
Its really a shame that in this day and age monarchs are still around at all.
True but at least the last one didn&#39;t stick his crown where it didn&#39;t belong. The monarchy isn&#39;t really too much of a factor as long as it isn&#39;t trying to re-take power, like this buffoon (Gyanendra) did.

and on edit, it&#39;s not like bourgeois rulers are any better than monarchs anyway.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Hopscotch Anthill+February 17, 2007 09:34 pm--> (Hopscotch Anthill @ February 17, 2007 09:34 pm)
Permanent [email protected] 16, 2007 05:34 pm
It is a shame that no mass Bolshevik group has emerged in Nepal, as the anger displayed in these kind of actions is certainly revolutionary in nature.
Yes, because a people who have clearly demonstrated the ability to act on their own need gudiance from a non-existant organisation. :rolleyes: [/b]
Their actions have demonstrated the immense class anger of the proleteriat in Nepal, yet are limited in themselves without a political development. A revolutionary party is neccessary, built on this advanced section of the working class, to break with the all the reformist communist parties, Maoists included, and push forward revolutionary slogans.

[bolshevik butcher]

The Maoists have indeed shown an inability to push forward the working class and peasants. They had a prime oppertunity during the demonstrations in Khatmandu last year to seize power and yet they failed to do so.

[Janus]

They had a prime oppertunity during the demonstrations in Khatmandu last year to seize power and yet they failed to do so.
The Maoists were at the forefront of those demonstrations yet not in command. Their popularity is based from the anti-monarchist demonstrations and they&#39;ve ridden that wave into power. It&#39;s possible that they could&#39;ve succedded with a "last offensive" during the demonstrations but it also might&#39;ve alienated the populace and decreased their support thus preventing them from any power opportunities should they have failed.

[bolshevik butcher]

Imagine if the bolsheviks had said that in 1917. Well the workesr might not come, indecisevness cannot be afforded when a revolutionary opertunity presents itself like that. However this was more than that, the leaders of the maoists has said that he doesn&#39;t want an October revolution. He has said he wants to ally with the bourgoirse, this is classic stalinist stagism.

[bcbm]

and push forward revolutionary slogans.

Oh yeah, that&#39;s what we need, the right slogans&#33; :blink:

[bolshevik butcher]

Well actually having the correct slogans can mean a lot. It wins people over. Land peace bread all power to the soviest won over thousands of workers to the cause of the bolsehvik cause. During a pre revolutionary sitaution having the correct slogans can be a make or break question.

[Spirit of Spartacus]

Originally posted by bolshevik [email protected] 19, 2007 08:39 pm
Well actually having the correct slogans can mean a lot. It wins people over. Land peace bread all power to the soviest won over thousands of workers to the cause of the bolsehvik cause. During a pre revolutionary sitaution having the correct slogans can be a make or break question.
The Bolsheviki paid the price for adventurism in July 1917.

Had it not been for the Kornilov affair, the Bolshevik leaders would still have been rotting in jail in October 1921.

Think of the Nepalese comrades in the same light. They have achieved a lot more by now than even the Bolsheviki had achieved in mid-1917.

Shouldn&#39;t they push ahead more prudently?

[Janus]

Imagine if the bolsheviks had said that in 1917.
Different times and different conditions. The Bolsheviks had the support of the workers and the soviets. Things are much different in Nepal.


However this was more than that, the leaders of the maoists has said that he doesn&#39;t want an October revolution.
I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a matter of not wanting as much as it&#39;s a matter of that not being possible. From Prachanda&#39;s statements, it&#39;s pretty clear that he recognizes that the Maoists can&#39;t win by force.