what would you do - if we came to power?

[kingbee]

the whole chelives team comes to power- what would your first action be?

[Fires of History]

Before we establised a final government, I would use the provisional powers of the transitory guard we set up to round up all the wealthy elite, the owners, the industrialists, basically everyone who ever made money off the blood and sweat of the common worker. Especially anyone tied to multi-national conglomerates, as well as any former politician who used influence to support these people and organizations.

Once they were in our custody, I would let them sit in jail for a good month or two while their trials came up.

But I would never argue to execute them. Never. I would see to it that their punishment was a taste of their own medicine.

Each and every one of them would be forced to work long days on the line, out in the field, in factories, and all for the same pay they dealt out. They would work in the very sweatshops they built, and their own blood, sweat and tears would be true justice. No executions, no life-long jail terms, just what they dealt out.

See how long those fucking pigs continue to love their beloved capitali$m then...when THEY are the one's doing the work.

That's my first act as Minister of Justice. More updates soon.

[honest intellectual]

I'd round about 60% of the best comrades and send them to Siberia for no reason other than to increase my own power over the proletariat (coz I like power)

[Nateddi]

I would start nationalizing the important industries. The government would take over energy and other important services. Healthcare would be completely redone as one of my first priorities. Later on I would fund programs to build and research solar power, and nationalize more industries.

[Sasafrás]

I'd shoot myself.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

id well do nothing really i wont set up a goverment and i well practice the real communism and to president bush and bill gates id make them work....practice real communism so no one again well think communism is bad....

[Lardlad95]

I would first help out the poor, fixing up housing, and just to piss off the rich I would send the poor to live with the rich until the houses were finished.

THen I would see to it that workers were paid better. That buisnesses would no longer be privatley owned but by the workers and community.

After that i would work on building a strong military

[CheGuevara]

I love LardLad's idea about sending the poor to live with the rich until their housing is finished.

[Lardlad95]

I can just imagine some homless guy taking the last peice of steak from the plate just as a guy in a buisness suit reached for it...the guy starts to yell at the homeless man and some Military police come in and haul the guy off in cuffs.

[RedRevolutionary87]

i would establish a government that dictates to the people, but the people have full controll of the government, i would abolish curency and standing millitary and arm the people, i would spread everyone into communes and take controll of all the industries the people will work for the good of society(not for a wage), and in return will recieve the fruits of societys labour, split equaly amogst everyone, i would make sure everyone gets the same amount of education, no matter what profession, since every profesion is equaly important...i think thats it

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i agree with larlad yeah but instead of houses i would make apartments which waste less space and start planting lots of lost tress and animals and make enough food for the hungry and give the indian people there loand back,..

[Michael De Panama]

To establish a communist system. Duh!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 4:19 am on April 17, 2002
i agree with larlad yeah but instead of houses i would make apartments which waste less space and start planting lots of lost tress and animals and make enough food for the hungry and give the indian people there loand back,..


Oh I would use apartments... But see this is were i can get those cappies to shut up. If a family wants a better house than what they are issued they will have to pay for its construction out of their own pockets, then they would have to pay taxes for it and finally they would have to rent the governments land.

Unless it was a group of people that wanted to build a small complex for 3-10 families to live in, in that situation the people will only have to pay for partial construction and pay a small fee for the land, since that helps solve housing problems and they would all be splitting it any way.

Otherwise people will live in state issued housing. Anything extra they want besides water, electricity, and air conditioning must come from their own pockets

[MJM]

Give the unemployed workers jobs. Working 8 hours a day 5 days a week, including 2 hours education per day and a meal for lunch. The education would serve to find illiterate people and encourage them to learn to read, this would also help them to take an interest in their childrens education. Not to mention giving them pride in themselves and helping create a sense of community.

[Lardlad95]

great idea MJM

[RGacky3]

The first thing I would do is set up a party run government, then I would re-destribute the property, and set all of the pays the same,

[Lardlad95]

set all the pays the same? See that is exactly why people aren't willing to listen to socialism. What we should do is just increase pay for the underpaid laborers, teachers, etc. You can't pay everyone the same, you can however tax the people that make more money heavier than those who don't.

The underpaid deserve to be better paid and they would be (if I ran the government) however no one is going to try hard if they wont ever gain anything. Equal pay leads to creative stagnation. I'm not saying that an economy should be run like capitalist do, however if people should be paid on how much they produce, that makes people want to work.

[RedRevolutionary87]

lard but if everyone isnt paid the same then you have aclass system, you need to have a currency free state, and trust me being a good carpenter is just as hard as being a surgent, we need equal schooling for all jobs and therefor equal compensation, this truly gives people the chance to do what they are good at and not what pays more, this will prevent classes, and even to some extent bribery, we cant afford compromise.

try and think outside the box, we cant seem to seperate ourselves from old fashioned ideas.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 4:25 am on April 19, 2002
lard but if everyone isnt paid the same then you have aclass system, you need to have a currency free state, and trust me being a good carpenter is just as hard as being a surgent, we need equal schooling for all jobs and therefor equal compensation, this truly gives people the chance to do what they are good at and not what pays more, this will prevent classes, and even to some extent bribery, we cant afford compromise.

try and think outside the box, we cant seem to seperate ourselves from old fashioned ideas.


Not with my idea. People wont be in a class society because people will be paid relativley the same, their pay will be based on how well they work, and if they work harder than someone else the most they will recieve is like at the most 2500 dollars more a year or something hardley enough to create a class society.

The corperations will be owned by the workers anyway so they will also recieve stock. And have say in the companies. People that own private buisness (such as private carpenters)will be funded by the government to give them financial aid should they need it.

ITs all about the unions, every type of job will have a union. All unions will be government funded to give out financial aide. Of course local governments will do this.

I would love to explain more but I have to get to bed soon. I'll give a better explanation later

[RGacky3]

Actually I would set up a party run government, breack up cities into small utopian like communities (over time). then I would take over all major industrys and pay every one the same in those industrys and then I would, tax the people with privet buisnesses depending one how much they make.

[Moskitto]

I'd build Arcologies.

Instead of building cities outwards they're built upwards and upwards so that they take up less space and unlike apartments you can have large houses inside them.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

(Edited by STALINSOLDIERS at 12:22 pm on April 21, 2002)

[STALINSOLDIERS]

yes upwards till at least 10 or stories high .....and instead of working 8 hours people well work 4 hours on little work like in transportation and less hour or hours in working cleaning up the enivroment yes people would be claning up the enivroment like in forest or woods and oceans, lakes, and other places......and no there wont be any privet work...it would be like the smurfs in stead of having to many cities like miami jacksonville or tampa there would be people only living in 1 cities per state so there wont much forest to bring down...

[RGacky3]

eh.......... I don't like the Idea of large buildings I would much rather do away with big cities, I like Utopian socialism, (like the smurfs :) )

[STALINSOLDIERS]

NO BID CITIES MEANS LESS SPACE WHICH IS BAD....IM LIKE INTO GREENPEACE I HATE SEEING ANIMALS NAD FOREST GOING INTO DESTRUCTION CAUSE OF CORPORATION....so i choose to make big building ....how im planning to destroy bis mansion and use its bricks and rocks to make apartments....

[RedRevolutionary87]

listen dont be concerned with the environment greenpeace is an inpractical way of thinking, capitalism created this mass polution from over production, communism will take it away, so nature will revive herself naturaly

[RGacky3]

cities are the things that mess up the world, if you break them up in to small communes pollution will go away

[Communist Dominion]

well cities can actually be good, the compression of people in adinistrational tasks will be quite effecient, and if you actually look at the modern problems with cities what are they?
-crime
-pollution
-traffic congestion etc.
these are actually not hard to solve, crime-more police patroelling the streets, here in New Zealand in the cities the boyracers and gangfs rule the cities the police have no power at night. So if they were just detained straight away there would be no qualms. And the whole thing of pollution was brought about by capitalists, there ineffecient production of engines and fuels is effecient in the way that they spend little in refining but get lots of returns, but if only cars burnt fuel at a higher tempreture and had carbon collection systems we would have a lot less pollution.
And traffic congestion, well with no rich automobile companies mass transit and alternitive systems woulkd abound, so well cities are good ina way, and arcologies could alienate society from one and other, when such small communes are self suffecient they would loose contact, i think large mega cities conected by mass transit with a few residential complexes in between with the rest of the land divided into agricultral would be the best, so yes we would prosper and theyd die, when the majority of the people see the benifits they will know the truth.

[Hayduke]

I would drink a nice cold beer with ya all...........

[Anarcho]

Mass Transit- Good idea, but impractical for small scale travel.

Cars and their engines- The advent of ULEV codes has resulted in some amazingly clean vehicles. Getting the old, ineffecient clunkers off the roads would be a good step forward (sorry Mustang fans, you're cars are off the roads..).

Even if the world becomes a Socialist state, there is going to be conflict. Utopia is a pipe-dream, and not going to happen.

[RGacky3]

sure cities can be used for somethings, But cities are the couse of strees, and greed. A Utopian LIKE society is possible, its not perfect, but it exists, what I mean by Utopian is small socialist communes, which exist.

[deadpool 52]

I would leave the country until you dumb fucks had enough time fucking up not knowing how to run such a government first hand.

After you got everything in order tho. . .

[honest intellectual]

We could have one of those cool post-revolutionary rallies where we talk from the balcony anbd there's loadsa people in a plaza cheering.

[BOZG]

And then I'd come out and throw you off the balcony and the people would cheer for me. MUAHAHAHAHAHA

[Hayduke]

poor society :)

[RGacky3]

you know I hope we don't come to power untill we learn to get along and not kill each other. ;)

[MJM]

We would all get along fine if everyone just did what I told them too!

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from RGacky3 on 7:28 pm on April 23, 2002
cities are the things that mess up the world, if you break them up in to small communes pollution will go away
A successful society needs a combination of cities and small towns. Also, renewable energy would make pollution go away a lot more easily than demolishing the cities would.

[RGacky3]

RENEWABLE ENERGY.........WHAT RENEWABLE ENERGY?

[sypher]

I would set up a classless society (duh!)

I would allow anyone to work at any job that they wish to (as long as there is a need for it) they would only work for a total of 6-8 hours. I would house everyone in appartments.

To make sure the fate of the soviet union does not happen here I would have an insentive for working hard. you work hard you keep your job. you slack off you lose it and you are fined. After you are fired you have 2 weeks to find a new job. I you fail to do so you are placed in a factory (or where ever manpower is needed) Although you work in this factory you are still allowed to find another job. but your place at the factory must be filled before you may start that job.

I would create free schooling for whoever would want to attend.

health care would be free

all firearms (unless in times of war) would be banned

greatly reduce the military.

recreate naturall forests





if you find any way that I may fill in any gaps I may have please let me know.

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from sypher on 8:43 pm on May 1, 2002
all firearms (unless in times of war) would be banned

greatly reduce the military.Not to shoot you down, but you anticipate war, but decide to greatly reduce military still?

[sypher]

I am only thinking of the worst.

I would of course try to avoide war at all cost but I think a country may attack. If one does then the civilians take up arms and defend there country. the only people who would actually work in the millitary would be those who would teach the people how to fight in war.

I hope that makes sense and answers your question

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from sypher on 9:03 pm on May 1, 2002
I would of course try to avoide war at all cost but I think a country may attack. If one does then the civilians take up arms and defend there country.How would people access these arms (which typically are banned) when war breaks out? And also, would all the citizens be trained in warfare?

[MattTheKat]

A military is necessary. Its crazy to expect a civilian population to all perform in a military function. Also keep in mind numbers perform a very small role compared to training and tactics in warfare. Thats why an exponentially greater number of communists died in places like Korea and Vietnam. Civilians have their own jobs to worry about.

[sypher]

they would be given to the citizens.

they would have a a little training by the time they are about 18. but in time of war the military higher ups would give them a crash course on more advanced skills

[MattTheKat]

The result would be cannonfodder. Training is important, not to mention that someone has to be working the war industry at home. Morale would be low as well, no one would like to leave their homes to go fight a war.

[Anarcho]

People, actual groundpounders, count for very little in the modern warfare. It's more about who has the better electronics, who has the largest air-force, etc.

A Citizen Militia, even one as large as what you are suggesting, would get slaughtered.

Mayhaps setting up multiple military branches, supported locally by the regional population... it might work out better, and would give folks a better reason to fight.

Not to mention, a drastic reduction in governmental spending. A complete cutting of pork barrel projects. A Massive overhaul of the paperwork and record keeping of the government.

Outsourcing to private business most (if not all) governmental contracts.

A gradual lessenging of taxes.

An overhaul of the electoral system.

That sounds like a good start, yes?

[sypher]

the more I see my military Ideas the more I laugh at them.

Anarcho, your ideas actually sounds perfect.

[RGacky3]

I don't think taxes should be lessend, taxes are how socialist countries keep the people equal and stop exploitation

[CheGuevara]

Ah, outsourcing. I'll pass on that, the last time I checked, a soldier doesn't need a $5000 toilet seat to take a shit.

[Anarcho]

Part of most outsourcing includes audits. And it would be specified that anything that can be bought publicly would be done that way.... at least in theory.


This idea, like most of them (socialism, anarchism, etc.) sounds good on paper, but needs to be tried to truly determine how effective it would be.

[RGacky3]

I would install the polecies of community union socialism.

[man in the red suit]

hehe yeah u tell em gacky!

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