capitalist anarchy

[RedStaredRevolution]

do most anarchist ideologies believe that an anarchist society should have a socialist/communist type economy? or something else? its seems to me that it would have to be capitalist since there would be no leaders or goverments to regulate the subzidation(sp?) or food and other resources. on the other hand, without a goverment it would also seem hard to set a national value on currency so that might not work either. please enlighten me!

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 12:36 pm
do most anarchist ideologies believe that an anarchist society should have a socialist/communist type economy? or something else? its seems to me that it would have to be capitalist since there would be no leaders or goverments to regulate the subzidation(sp?) or food and other resources. on the other hand, without a goverment it would also seem hard to set a national value on currency so that might not work either. please enlighten me!
While there does exist an ideology called "anarcho-capitalism", no anarchist believes it to be anarchistic.

All anarchists are socialist (in the broad sense), we believe that what a person does with their own labour is their own business.

All anarchists are against the idea of hierarchy. That is in a society, no person should have control over any other. This obviously means we are against the 'state', but it also means that we are against capitalism.

Capitalism creates hierarchies based on resource control. If you own a factory, you can decide who works there. In the present system, this control is backed up by the armed forces of the government, in an "anarcho-capitalist" system, it would be backed up by a private army. "Anarcho-capitalists" read a dictionary which says that "anarchism is opposed to all government" and then claim their fucked up ideology as anarchistic.

Anarchism is more then opposition to government.


For more information, check out An Anarchy FAQ ( http://anarchyfaq.org ) or browse some of the stickied topics in learning.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 11:36 am
do most anarchist ideologies believe that an anarchist society should have a socialist/communist type economy? or something else? its seems to me that it would have to be capitalist since there would be no leaders or goverments to regulate the subzidation(sp?) or food and other resources. on the other hand, without a goverment it would also seem hard to set a national value on currency so that might not work either. please enlighten me!
You are reasoning under capitalist premises.

We work for the abolition of money, of markets, and of value. And, of course, of the State.

Luís Henrique

[YSR]

"Anarcho-capitalists" read a dictionary which says that "anarchism is opposed to all government" and then claim their fucked up ideology as anarchistic.

In defense of anarcho-capitalism (I really hate saying those words), that's not what it is. You're talking more of a Randian minarchism. I don't think anarcho-capitalism can be called anarchism, but it's also not just free-for-all capitalism.

I feel filthy defending that bullshit theory though, I'm gonna go take a bath.

[RedStaredRevolution]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+February 15, 2007 07:59 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ February 15, 2007 07:59 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 11:36 am
do most anarchist ideologies believe that an anarchist society should have a socialist/communist type economy? or something else? its seems to me that it would have to be capitalist since there would be no leaders or goverments to regulate the subzidation(sp?) or food and other resources. on the other hand, without a goverment it would also seem hard to set a national value on currency so that might not work either. please enlighten me!
You are reasoning under capitalist premises.

We work for the abolition of money, of markets, and of value. And, of course, of the State.

Luís Henrique[/b]
I realize that. I wasn't sure if anarchism supported any parts of capitalism (the whole point of my post) so i put that in there.

and thanks apathy maybe for anwsering my questions. i dont really know that much about anarchy, as opposed to socialism and communism, so i was trying to figure it out.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 15, 2007 01:31 pm
All anarchists are socialist (in the broad sense), we believe that what a person does with their own labour is their own business.
Well, that is certainly not socialism, but petty-bourgeois ideology.

First of all, we believe that labour is nowadays socialised to an extent that the expression "their own labour" does no longer make any sence.

And, obviously, in a sophisticated economy of socialised labour, what I do on their "my" labour directly impacts what you do on "your" own labour. If I don't cut the leather pieces in the appropriate way in the appropriate timing, how are you going to glue them into shoes?

Luís Henrique

[apathy maybe]

Yes well. That is an interesting point. The fact still stands though, that if you attempt to force me to work, or force me to do a particular type of work or in fact take the result of my work off me with out my permission, you aren't being socialistic. If you know what I mean (and I admit that it is a bit convoluted).


RedStaredRevolution: And now to complicate matters, look up individualist anarchism in either An Anarchist FAQ or do a search in theory on this board. They are not capitalists, but do advocate a market system ...