Leninist Groups

[Red Menace]

Don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone know if there any groups or affliations dedicated soley to leninist theory? I believe the CPUSA is dedicated to marxist theory, but are there any out there strictly dedicated to leninism?

[black magick hustla]

if the communst party is big then it is probably leninist

[KC]

The CP is left-democratic. They have nothing to do with Marxism.

[ComradeRed]

Toss to practice.

[Wanted Man]

In the absence of Broadleft.org, you can read some info on most US parties here(it's pretty negative towards pretty much all far left movements though, and many of the parties listed are complete nuts!):

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

I don't think any of those purely focus on the theoretical aspect, though of course a lot of them recommend Lenin and adopt his line on all sorts of things.

Still, this might be of interest: http://www.mltoday.com/ Also interesting is articles from parties all over the world on http://www.mltranslations.org/

[Honggweilo]

My prefs in the sence of US parties goes out to the Workers World Party (www.workersworld.org), The Socialist Road Alliance and the few remaing progressive elements in the CPUSA/YCL (certainly not sam webb). If your looking for leninism i probably would recomend the WWP and the SRA. I have respect for the RCP-USA aswell but there a little too high on some maoist viewpoints and avakian for my taste.

[Janus]

CPUSA, Progressive Labor Party, and Workers Party USA all have Leninist tendencies.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 15, 2007 04:05 am
Don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone know if there any groups or affliations dedicated soley to leninist theory? I believe the CPUSA is dedicated to marxist theory, but are there any out there strictly dedicated to leninism?
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.

I am a supporter of the Revolutionary Communist Party (http://revcom.us/) which is Marxist-Leninist-Maoist.

also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them. They uphold the past Marxist-Leninist states as the most democratic on earth but feel that we have to skip the socialist stage to avoid having the movement hijacked by revisionists and capitalists.

[Janus]

also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them. They uphold the past Marxist-Leninist states as the most democratic on earth but feel that we have to skip the socialist stage to avoid having the movement hijacked by revisionists and capitalists.
Anarcho-stalinist? The PLP may have a positive outlook on Stalin but if they're opposed to a transitional state then they're definitely opposed to Stalinism itself. There are few groups out there that are "truly Leninist", thus I simply highlighted some groups that held some Leninist beliefs and structure ,etc.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 05:31 pm
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.
Yes, there are a "shitload" of ML groups in the US and they have 5 members each! :lol:


also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them.
Oh gimme a break. There's nothing "anarcho" about the PLP. Anarcho-stalinism is an oxymoron and a joke, get it!

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+February 15, 2007 04:31 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ February 15, 2007 04:31 pm)
Red [email protected] 15, 2007 04:05 am
Don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone know if there any groups or affliations dedicated soley to leninist theory? I believe the CPUSA is dedicated to marxist theory, but are there any out there strictly dedicated to leninism?
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.

[/b]
Well I was wondering if there were any major groups or affliations in the U.S. that are "truely leninist" as Janus said. Because the portion i've seen are either marxist-leninist or maoist.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Red Menace+February 15, 2007 08:57 pm--> (Red Menace @ February 15, 2007 08:57 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 04:31 pm

Red [email protected] 15, 2007 04:05 am
Don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone know if there any groups or affliations dedicated soley to leninist theory? I believe the CPUSA is dedicated to marxist theory, but are there any out there strictly dedicated to leninism?
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.


Well I was wondering if there were any major groups or affliations in the U.S. that are "truely leninist" as Janus said. Because the portion i've seen are either marxist-leninist or maoist. [/b]
To be "truly leninist" is to be a Marxist-Leninist.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by FoB+February 16, 2007 12:43 am--> (FoB @ February 16, 2007 12:43 am)
[email protected] 15, 2007 05:31 pm
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.
Yes, there are a "shitload" of ML groups in the US and they have 5 members each! :lol:


also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them.
Oh gimme a break. There's nothing "anarcho" about the PLP. Anarcho-stalinism is an oxymoron and a joke, get it! [/b]
No actually not really, and they are not leninist because they don't believe a state is necessary

[which doctor]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+February 15, 2007 09:49 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ February 15, 2007 09:49 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 12:43 am

[email protected] 15, 2007 05:31 pm
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.
Yes, there are a "shitload" of ML groups in the US and they have 5 members each! :lol:


also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them.
Oh gimme a break. There's nothing "anarcho" about the PLP. Anarcho-stalinism is an oxymoron and a joke, get it!
No actually not really, and they are not leninist because they don't believe a state is necessary [/b]
You still fail to point out what is so "Anarcho" about the PLP.

[RedLenin]

Well I was wondering if there were any major groups or affliations in the U.S. that are "truely leninist" as Janus said.
Well you could check out the Workers International League and Socialist Alternative. They are both relatively large Leninist organizations in the United States. The Workers International League is the US section of the International Marxist Tendency and Socialist Alternative is the US section of the Committee For A Workers International. Both groups follow the ideas and principles of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky. So they may be termed Trotskyist, but they are Leninists and they are not Maoists. So you may want to check them out.

Workers International League (http://www.socialistappeal.org)
Socialist Alternative (http://www.socialistalternative.org)

[Honggweilo]

also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them. They uphold the past Marxist-Leninist states as the most democratic on earth but feel that we have to skip the socialist stage to avoid having the movement hijacked by revisionists and capitalists
Genuine Anarcho-Stalinism (http://www.geocities.com/klote_org/) :ph34r:, they make the PLP look like liberals :lol:

[Whitten]

Originally posted by Red Menace+February 16, 2007 01:57 am--> (Red Menace @ February 16, 2007 01:57 am)
Originally posted by LeftyHenry+February 15, 2007 04:31 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ February 15, 2007 04:31 pm)
Red [email protected] 15, 2007 04:05 am
Don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone know if there any groups or affliations dedicated soley to leninist theory? I believe the CPUSA is dedicated to marxist theory, but are there any out there strictly dedicated to leninism?
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.

[/b]
Well I was wondering if there were any major groups or affliations in the U.S. that are "truely leninist" as Janus said. Because the portion i've seen are either marxist-leninist or maoist. [/b]
There's no such thing as non-marxist leninism. Lenin was a marxist. Marxist-leninist (sometimes shortened to leninist) is a marxist who agrees with lenin's interpretation of, and contributions to, marxist theory.


FoB
Well what do you mean exactly by that? There are a shitload of parties that consider themselves leninist in the US.
Yes, there are a "shitload" of ML groups in the US and they have 5 members each! :lol:


also Janus the PLP is not Leninist, they're anarcho-"stalinist" I hate that word but its the only way to describe them.
Oh gimme a break. There's nothing "anarcho" about the PLP. Anarcho-stalinism is an oxymoron and a joke, get it! [/b][/quote]
No actually not really, and they are not leninist because they don't believe a state is necessary [/b][/quote]
You still fail to point out what is so "Anarcho" about the PLP.[/b][/quote]

They oppose the state. hence anarchist.

[Honggweilo]

every leninist oposses the state as an endgoal

[Severian]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 15, 2007 07:57 pm
Well I was wondering if there were any major groups or affliations in the U.S. that are "truely leninist" as Janus said. Because the portion i've seen are either marxist-leninist or maoist.
People will disagree about what's truly Leninist - lots of groups all claim to be the only truly Leninist one - you'll have to decide that for yourself.

But the Socialist Workers Party (link in my sig) is trying to build a party like the Bolshevik Party.

It's neither official "Marxist-Leninist" nor Maoist - and I'll agree with you that neither of those is truly Leninist - those are terms to describe groups that took their political line from the Soviet, Chinese, or some other bureaucratic regime.

Some people would describe the SWP as Trotskyist, but actually it's moved away from Trotsky's concept of "Permanent Revolution" towards Lenin's ideas about the relationship between the bourgeois-democratic and socialist revolutions.